2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

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+ Anastasia (Tarakanova)
5A

Of course. One of the best timed spins of last season https://youtu.be/F8yMfx6yEAo?t=164

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Thanks! Super helpful. I'm confused on "you get points for your placements during the JGP season and the top six skaters go to JGPF." Top six skaters in Russia or Europe? Either way, you'd have to imagine that Alena, Anna, and Sasha are all pretty likely to make it, no?

And as for the SGPF in Vancouver, I imagine Alina is as much a lock as you get?

Top six skaters on the Grand Prix go to the Grand Prix Final. It doesn’t matter where they are from. It’s just the top six point getters on the Grand Prix. They get points for their placements at each GP event they attend. First place finish at each event is worth 15pts and 2nd place is worth 13 for example. Check out page six to see how points are awarded.


https://www.isu.org/docman-document...33-gp-general-announcement-2017-18-final/file

No one is really a lock though although I’d say some are more likely then others. One bad event can really harm your chances and the competition is pretty good these days.

Here are the final results for last year’s season.

http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2017/gpsladies.pdf

 

[Tulipstar]

+ Anastasia (Tarakanova)
5A

5Axel, sounds like a goal for Yuzuru Hanyu or Alena Kostornaia to work towards

 

[russianfan]

wow wow wow look who is speaking

Sotnikova: "Wunderkinds at Russian Nationals make it extremely hard to get into the top 3. And I think: Why even bother trying?"

 

[chopinskate]

So Sotnikova does one interview every two months about FS?

 

[Shayuki]

wow wow wow look who is speaking

Sotnikova: "Wunderkinds at Russian Nationals make it extremely hard to get into the top 3. And I think: Why even bother trying?"

Of course at her age she would want to raise the age limit to 17. Ask her when it would have prevented her from participating at Sochi Olympics and she would have been against it. "I got to benefit, but it's ok if others don't - what would I care" seems to be the leading train of thought.

I wonder why they would constantly interview these skaters who are above the age of 17. If they went ahead and interviewed 14-year-old skaters, I'd imagine the opinions would be quite different.

 

[yoloaxel]

wow wow wow look who is speaking

Sotnikova: "Wunderkinds at Russian Nationals make it extremely hard to get into the top 3. And I think: Why even bother trying?"

So is she admitting defeat or is she saying she still wants to come back?

No offense to her, but I don't see her making it if she tries to come back tbh

 

[yoloaxel]

Of course at her age she would want to raise the age limit to 17. Ask her when it would have prevented her from participating at Sochi Olympics and she would have been against it. "I got to benefit, but it's ok if others don't - what would I care" seems to be the leading train of thought.

I wonder why they would constantly interview these skaters who are above the age of 17. If they went ahead and interviewed 14-year-old skaters, I'd imagine the opinions would be quite different.

To be fair to her, she says in the interview that had they asked her the same question when she was 15 she would have been furious about it

 

[dante]

So is she admitting defeat or is she saying she still wants to come back?

She said she keeps following Caro's example, though sometimes it's too hard with such competition in Russia.

Personally, I don't think one can get back to the top level with such doubts.

 

[russianfan]

Of course at her age she would want to raise the age limit to 17. Ask her when it would have prevented her from participating at Sochi Olympics and she would have been against it. "I got to benefit, but it's ok if others don't - what would I care" seems to be the leading train of thought.

I wonder why they would constantly interview these skaters who are above the age of 17. If they went ahead and interviewed 14-year-old skaters, I'd imagine the opinions would be quite different.

Well, she openly admits exactly what you have said - she would be very against that in her 13-15 years.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I feel like she should know more than anyone how awful it would be to held back by arbitrary limits considering when her birthday is...

 

[Fluture]

wow wow wow look who is speaking

Sotnikova: "Wunderkinds at Russian Nationals make it extremely hard to get into the top 3. And I think: Why even bother trying?"

In a way, I feel sorry for her. After her OGM, people kept hating on her how she didn‘t deserve it and how she isn‘t a true Olympic Champion. Then she got injured time and again so could never really prove she was worthy of that medal. But I guess it‘s always easy to ask older skaters who are frustrated by the insane competition. Let them ask Alena or Sasha, they’ll exactly tell them what they think of raising the age limit. At least she says she would have been furious if they’d asked her a few years ago, though.

 

[Shayuki]

Well, she openly admits exactly what you have said - she would be very against that in her 13-15 years.

But I have a problem with the way she talks as if she now thinks differently "because she has grown up and has become more knowledgeable" instead of simply because of her being past such a limit so it would no longer affect her.

 

[NaVi]

Sotnikova was the original wonderkid.... winning the Russian Adult Nationals at age 12(and because of her birth date, 2 seasons before the JGP)... and now you have to be 14 at the date of the nationals to skate IIRC.

Here's my opinion on raising the age: "I don't think a higher minimum age would have been good in the past but it could be ok in the future if done right. I don't think raising it to 16 would be a big deal but I think 17 is a leap too far without other big changes. "

I can support an age of 17 IF:
At a minimum, all those 17+ women on the grand prix are attempting triple-triples[edit]and no one intentionally doing a triple-double makes the freeskate at worlds[/edit]. It would be important that raising the age would not compromise a competition field having a high technical base.
More attention is brought to junior worlds. Like broadcasting the winner or all medalists during the senior championship. It would be nice if the junior events were located where some audience will show up(Japan, Russia, Australia, Spain going from my memory... Austria had a few people show IIRC)
Let the 15 year olds skate in the challenger series.
Let the 15 year olds skate in the Olympic team event
Let there be two junior divisions for the junior grand prix final... run the junior grand prix events normally, but have two groups of qualifiers for 13-14 year olds and then 15+ skaters for the final. Doing this would allow more countries to skate in the junior grand prix final.

I might be able to support letting say 15+ skate in the Grand Prix, Euros, 4CC, and Olympic Team Event but reserving Worlds and Olympic Individual Event reserved for 17+.

TBH, I think raising the age might have been better for Russia for the next Olympics.

 

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I think, it's all about tactics. Strategically at the moment Russia is so much stronger in ladies than anybody else that 16 or 17 year limit would matter little when we think of the next Olympics. It's going at full speed now to the status-quo in rythmic gymnastics and synchronized swimming.

 

[Mawwerg]

I think, it's all about tactics. Strategically at the moment Russia is so much stronger in ladies than anybody else that 16 or 17 year limit would matter little when we think of the next Olympics. It's going at full speed now to the status-quo in rythmic gymnastics and synchronized swimming.

USA and Canada have no chances now to catch but I think Japan is on the same way as Russia.

 

[halulupu]

Sotnikova was the original wonderkid.... winning the Russian Adult Nationals at age 12(and because of her birth date, 2 seasons before the JGP)... and now you have to be 14 at the date of the nationals to skate IIRC.

Here's my opinion on raising the age: "I don't think a higher minimum age would have been good in the past but it could be ok in the future if done right. I don't think raising it to 16 would be a big deal but I think 17 is a leap too far without other big changes. "



I might be able to support letting say 15+ skate in the Grand Prix, Euros, 4CC, and Olympic Team Event but reserving Worlds and Olympic Individual Event reserved for 17+.

TBH, I think raising the age might have been better for Russia for the next Olympics.

different age limits for different competions are no good idea at all. If you let the kids skate at challangers and one of them wins by beating the grown up, the grown up grand prix winner will be a joke.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Would it be beneficial for Daria to turn senior? She didn’t make junior worlds.

Would it be better for Guliakova to go senior? She kinda hasn’t made a name for herself. (Selfishly, I really like her. I just have a bad feeling she’s being pushed to the side due to her inconsistentcy, inability to perform, and her size.)

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Yes, Daria should turn senior now because she's guaranteed GP events and if she waits, she'll be overshadowed by the 4A (Anna, Alena, Alexandra, Anastasia Tarakanova)

I'm not sure about Gulyakova. I think she should because while she's unlikely to get a GP, she's even more unlikely to get a JGP, and she can at least do challenger events as a senior.

 

[moriel]

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1063923360.html

Pogo is back to training. Right now she is preparing for shows in Japan.
She has to train under close medical supervision, and will have to do it until the end of her career. She says she will be at test skates, and then some CS.
She didn't get new programs yet, and its still not defined who will choreograph.
Pogo already got back her triples, including 3Lz. She still doesnt do 3Lz-3T, but already does the 3F and 3S combos.