2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[esteticlove]

Looks like people expect her to make a serious impact

Joking aside I really want her to succeed..I just have a soft spot for her, this girl really has a talent

 

[Shayuki]

I think it has more to do with people talking about her perfect jumping technique which in fact isn't perfect.

I don't think anyone's called her takeoff technique perfect? I don't see the need for constant nitpicking when it comes to her though, as many other skaters - Even very notable ones - Have far greater issues with their jump edges. If it's a deep inside edge on a Lutz or a deep outside edge on a Flip I get it, but if your enjoyment comes down to whether a ! sometimes gets called(Which ends up being a 1-2 GOE issue with no BV decreases, AKA at the level of a scratchy landing), you probably have to re-evaluate your priorities. I really don't see this being made a big deal out of for anyone but Russian ladies anyway.

 

[russianfan]

Wakaba did beat Alina. You can cry some more about that, while you remember Alina wasn't even good enough for a bronze.

But really, it's not Wakaba's fault the sport is so corrupt that that disaster where Alina didn't know what music was, never mind anything else while she rolled around on the ice, gets the same PCS that a clean, perfect skate by Wakaba does.

So yes, Alina will have no problems "beating" Wakaba, no matter what Wakaba does. The judges will make sure of it after all. They've been doing that for a good season now.

Yes, don't worry. It's such a great thing! No matter how awful, the judges will give her scores! It's so awesome when you're proud of travesties like that. Great stuff for the sport.

funny to remember how different your attitude towards Alina was just some time ago when she wasn't yet a threat to Medvedeva

Zagi the Destroyer! Exterminate!!!

Well done, well done! 14! Under that pressure!!

Junior World Champion!!!

Told you all she needed was a clean skate.

Well done Zagi, well done.

even funnier to remember how was the attitude towards Eteri

https://twitter.com/JannyMedvedeva/status/808748002227736576
Her collaboration with Eteri, who I like, is obviously very beneficial and I think Zhenya's mentality and personality are perfect for this.

and what it's like now

I would like to pass around smelling salts to all the Eteri ubers that have been screaming at me for days now.

 

[russianfan]

One thing I'll certainly disagree with the majority on regarding Kostornaya is her musicality. I really don't think she has a whole lot of feel for the music and honestly, no matter how many times I've watched it I've still not really found it. She has some beautiful positions, excellent skating skills, transitions and all, but musicality? I just don't see it. Well, that's in line with what she herself has said(That she doesn't feel the music) so I really don't know why she would now have such incredible musicality according to so many people ...

In my opinion, Kostornaya's CO actually was pretty weak last season. Especially for the SP, I'd have Trusova over her handily in that category, just like in IN. Trusova's FS really didn't work for me so that's a different story, but to regard Kostornaya as some 80 PCS never-before-seen artistic talent, I really can't agree with that...

Regarding Kostornaya's musicality: she said that she was skating programs like this for 3 years in a row or so and thats why she feels very comfortable with music like this. I really like her, but we have yet to see her doing something different, so people's opinion might change and the ones who praise her now will then say that Daniil is a bad choreographer or something like this if she will not be so comfortable with her new programs

Am looking forward to the JGP assignments and who will go first.

Yep, considering the fact that in the last years(5 or so) medalist at the first JGP event always wins the final, that's truly interesting

 

[Bluediamonds09]

I really would like Evgenia to skate to “Hurricanes and Butterflies” by Muse. Or the Maleficent soundtrack. Thoughts on what music you’d pick?

 

[yoloaxel]

even funnier to remember how was the attitude towards Eteri

and what it's like now

...people's opinions can change as the situations also change and evolve? I used to like Eteri until this year when I saw how awfully she treated Alina and after she went crying about Evgenia on TV with screenshots and all -> as I learned and saw more about Eteri my opinion changed. I respect her for what she has accomplished as a coach, and that's all there is.

I don't see why the need to be all spanish inquisition

 

[russianfan]

...people's opinions can change as the situations also change and evolve? I used to like Eteri until this year when I saw how awfully she treated Alina and after she went crying about Evgenia on TV with screenshots and all -> as I learned and saw more about Eteri my opinion changed. I respect her for what she has accomplished as a coach, and that's all there is.

I don't see why the need to be all spanish inquisition

interesting though that being Alina's fan I haven't noticed "an awful treatment"

 

[Fluture]

funny to remember how different your attitude towards Alina was just some time ago when she wasn't yet a threat to Medvedeva





even funnier to remember how was the attitude towards Eteri



and what it's like now

The only funny thing here is that you went back to find this person‘s quotes from some time ago to call him/her out on it. People change, opinions change. If you knew my opinion of Alina from about half a year ago, you‘d probably call me a hypocrite and „not a real fan“. I didn‘t like her skating at all. Now? Very different, very, very different in fact. So yeah, calling people out on what they wrote months ago seems a bit... not right to me. And not everything has to do with disliking skaters because they‘re a threat to favourites. There‘s the possibility that someone in fact likes two skaters, even if they‘re rivals. Yuzu and Javier should be the best examples here.

 

[Lily flowers]

interesting though that being Alina's fan I haven't noticed "an awful treatment"

But didn’t you change your opinion about Zhenya? It’s normal, everyone has their point on view.

I know I changed my opinion about Eteri.

 

[TGee]

The only funny thing here is that you went back to find this person‘s quotes from some time ago to call him/her out on it. People change, opinions change. If you knew my opinion of Alina from about half a year ago, you‘d probably call me a hypocrite and „not a real fan“. I didn‘t like her skating at all. Now? Very different, very, very different in fact. So yeah, calling people out on what they wrote months ago seems a bit... not right to me. And not everything has to do with disliking skaters because they‘re a threat to favourites. There‘s the possibility that someone in fact likes two skaters, even if they‘re rivals. Yuzu and Javier should be the best examples here.

Uhm, gosh, cheering someone on as a promising Junior is a very different thing than

-saying the skater is ready for Seniors...

- supporting the Senior age standard -- that is out of step with other early specialization sports... or

-giving kudos for a strategy that was all about maximizing IJS scoring under the old framework..

There are a number of us that have sincere questions...

 

[Fluture]

interesting though that being Alina's fan I haven't noticed "an awful treatment"

I didn‘t notice awful treatment either. I noticed the struggling of a coach being torn between cheering for her student for winning an OGM and having to comfort her other student, who‘s been with her a long, long time and has just got her dream crushed. Eteri‘s behaviour at the Olympics was natural and human. What came after it... well, I do not want to talk about it again but I don‘t agree with a lot of things she did then.

 

[Fluture]

Uhm, gosh, cheering someone on as a promising Junior is a very different thing than

-saying the skater is ready for Seniors...

- supporting the Senior age standard -- that is out of step with other early specialization sports... or

-giving kudos for a strategy that was all about maximizing IJS scoring under the old framework..

There are a number of us that have sincere questions...

?? Okay and what exactly does this have to do with my post? I mean, no offense but I don‘t see any relation to what I wrote??

 

[yoloaxel]

interesting though that being Alina's fan I haven't noticed "an awful treatment"

And that is fine! We don't all have to agree. Personally, that's what I saw and it made me change my mind.

Just like you changed your mind about Evgenia because in your opinion she left in a bad way. Which is not what I saw.

It's all a matter of personal perspective, and that's okay as long as there is respect.

 

[Fluture]

And that is fine! We don't all have to agree. Personally, that's what I saw and it made me change my mind.

Just like you changed your mind about Evgenia because in your opinion she left in a bad way. Which is not what I saw.

It's all a matter of personal perspective, and that's okay as long as there is respect.

Straight to the point as usual :thumbsup:

 

[russianfan]

The only funny thing here is that you went back to find this person‘s quotes from some time ago to call him/her out on it. People change, opinions change. If you knew my opinion of Alina from about half a year ago, you‘d probably call me a hypocrite and „not a real fan“. I didn‘t like her skating at all. Now? Very different, very, very different in fact. So yeah, calling people out on what they wrote months ago seems a bit... not right to me. And not everything has to do with disliking skaters because they‘re a threat to favourites. There‘s the possibility that someone in fact likes two skaters, even if they‘re rivals. Yuzu and Javier should be the best examples here.

Showing some hypocrisy != calling someone out. Consider that as an informational post.

But didn’t you change your opinion about Zhenya? It’s normal, everyone has their point on view.

I know I changed my opinion about Eteri.

It's not like I was her big fan, but I had a huge respect for her. Now I just don't care about her anymore. And it's not because she has beaten some of my faves, but because of what she has done. Notice the difference.
(Just for comparison/example - i still like Osmond, though it's hard to have conversation about her because even a slightest critique or objective remarks about her turn into holy wars.)

 

[moriel]

interesting though that being Alina's fan I haven't noticed "an awful treatment"

Overall, I kinda agree it was fine. I suppose people talk about K&C stuff.
While, yes, as a coaching team, it would be ideal to split their time 50-50 between their both top students, It is understandable that, as a human being, some of the coaches chose to support a student that was clearly distressed a bit more. I do not really see that as awful treatment or whatever.
Yep, not ideal, but they still supported both skaters.

Awful treatment would be to hold Alina in juniors, or simplify her programs to ensure Zhenya's win. Eteri's team did their best to have both girls at their possible best. Eteri and her team was with both girls at important moments too.

 

[TGee]

?? Okay and what exactly does this have to do with my post? I mean, no offense but I don‘t see any relation to what I wrote??

I was agreeing and extending the thought...[emoji848]

 

[Fluture]

Overall, I kinda agree it was fine. I suppose people talk about K&C stuff.
While, yes, as a coaching team, it would be ideal to split their time 50-50 between their both top students, It is understandable that, as a human being, some of the coaches chose to support a student that was clearly distressed a bit more. I do not really see that as awful treatment or whatever.
Yep, not ideal, but they still supported both skaters.

Awful treatment would be to hold Alina in juniors, or simplify her programs to ensure Zhenya's win. Eteri's team did their best to have both girls at their possible best. Eteri and her team was with both girls at important moments too.

Exactly. I think the team did the best they could considering the circumstances. It wasn‘t an easy situation for either of them, not Eteri nor Alina nor Evgenia. And that Eteri didn‘t go, jump around in joy when Evgenia‘s marks were announced... well, that‘s only logical, I guess. Evgenia was sitting there, next to her, crying heavily. Even Alina wasn‘t exactly bubbling with joy out of respect because she knew what her victory meant to her great friend. I don‘t think Eteri treated Alina coldly afterwards, not at all. I don‘t exactly like Eteri for what she did on various occasions but this time, I really feel like she tried her best for both Evgenia and Alina.

I was agreeing and extending the thought...[emoji848]

Oh my god, sorry, haha, I thought the „Uhm, gosh“ was meant at me and I felt like: „what have I done now??“ Excuse me for that but I‘ve come to be... a bit tense in this thread

 

[lavieenrose]

Well I thought Eteri was a bit cold to Alina. I wish she went to congratulate her at least. Don’t forget she asked to not call her the Olympic champion and that’s awful to little Alina who worked very hard.

 

[russianfan]

Well I thought Eteri was a bit cold to Alina. I wish she went to congratulate her at least. Don’t forget she asked to not call her the Olympic champion and that’s awful to little Alina who worked very hard.

If thats true what Evgenia said, I can understand how shocked Eteri was. And I don't see even a slightest sign that Alina was offended or smth, so it's ok.