2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[typeyournamehere]

no matter where competition takes place i noticed that in this season the judging became even worse

underrotation calls aside, its now more clear who is very biased, i mean when you look at protocols and you see for the same element +3 +4 from most of the judges and -1 from one of them - thats so

 

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I don't understand where all this flutz discussion is coming from (not to single out anyone, just something I've noticed)

Anna does not flutz. She has an outside edge. It's not as deep as some, but that doesn't make it a flutz.
And she does not lip either. At its worst, it is unclear, but that's not what it was here, which is why those ! calls are a joke considering the outside edges of some flips that got nothing.

It usually comes from the folks who among others say that Japanese ladies are underscored vs. the Russians and in general are more artistic and who start to complain that the thread is about the Japanese ladies when talked back.

 

[moriel]

no matter where competition takes place i noticed that in this season the judging became even worse

underrotation calls aside, its now more clear who is very biased, i mean when you look at protocols and you see for the same element +3 +4 from most of the judges and -1 from one of them - thats so

this could actually be due to lack of proper training with the new system

 

[largeman]

Seems to me that she stayed on the outside edge all through takeoff, and the landing was not UR. And the so-called "full-blade/blade-assisted" action doesn't even look that bad here (is it because of the angle? Because if you look at her 3F+2T+2Lo later on, the toe jump takeoffs look virtually identical to the 2Lo takeoff Or maybe Anna is just better at the lutz jump)

Anyway these UR calls on the 4Lzs have been a disgrace. Can't Ted speak to someone?

 

[Seren]

UR or not that lutz was pretty epic. I think all across the board we will see more and more strict calls. Which leads to more disagreement on whether or not something was clean. I hope the tech panel figures out what it is they want. I'm fine with strict calls- as long as its strict across the board for everyone.

 

[Elucidus]

I agree. One can see that Nastya is not comfortable with that kind of expression as yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RffBJjrha30
I wouldn't be so sure about that

UR or not that lutz was pretty epic. I think all across the board we will see more and more strict calls. Which leads to more disagreement on whether or not something was clean. I hope the tech panel figures out what it is they want. I'm fine with strict calls- as long as its strict across the board for everyone.

Of course not. Men always were getting rather lenient treatment of tech panel before - and, surprise (not), they are still getting the same lenient treatment now if not worse. Basically at least half of their messy jumps are ratified while they shouldn't. Why only ladies attempting mans difficulty jumps are getting strict treatment? Unfair!

 

[TGee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RffBJjrha30
I wouldn't be so sure about that [emoji23]

There is a big difference in doing a flirty sequence for a mirror or camera than in front of judges and an audience... [emoji3]

And the jazz dance type sequence just looks like what most kids at that age and level to.

But bringing on the steaminess in competition with Plushenko himself as one's model would be a challenge for the bravest!

 

[noidont]

I don't miss those crazy transitions on Tarakanova. She looks much better, much more fluid now and frankly proves Eteri's literal interpretation of "transition" has done nothing good to figure skating.

 

[Lana05]

I liked last year Tarakanova she was as fast with transitions as she fast now. But there was also a story in her programs.
Now she is a typical skater with crossovers and beautiful music is only a background for skating.
She will have problems to get 2 Senior GP because she is out of TOP3 at the moment in Juniors (Trusova, Kostornaia, Shsherbakova and Kanysheva for me also could fight) so no medals from JGP Final and no worlds means not enough rating... I am not sure about SB
I am worried about her and maybe doing low Junior competition could help her to get more rating points...

 

[atsumiri]

GS never cease to entertain me.

 

[Tolstoj]

I don't miss those crazy transitions on Tarakanova. She looks much better, much more fluid now and frankly proves Eteri's literal interpretation of "transition" has done nothing good to figure skating.

She had already programs packed with transitions when she was with Panova.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0YzLQ_VltM

Disagree on your view on transitions, even though not all of them are always purposeful with the music they are still difficult as hell and very impressive.

Tarakanova is still in good hands as long as Plushenko takes this idea of coaching more seriously, if he wants to see his skaters winning competitions at some point, he will also have to travel more with them..

 

[skatenewbie]

the 4Lz call was bogus call its fully rotated for sure, but its has been happening since years ago and idk why you guys act like it wad the first time. Sasha was on quarter and now its UR no quarter leeway anymore. Anna's Lutz was ! not clear flutz but not the best lutz, yet she get called on flip which is funny but her toepick technique was a bit rough and not so good imo. (no im not saying about full blade but the actual picking)

 

[plushyfan]

She had already programs packed with transitions when she was with Panova.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0YzLQ_VltM

Disagree on your view on transitions, even though not all of them are always purposeful with the music they are still difficult as hell and very impressive.

Tarakanova is still in good hands as long as Plushenko takes this idea of coaching more seriously, if he wants to see his skaters winning competitions at some point, he will also have to travel more with them..

Yuna was great without the meaningless TRs. She had beautiful programs and could win with them.

 

[largeman]

Yuna was great without the meaningless TRs. She had beautiful programs and could win with them.

Yuna competed in another era. The game is different now, and skaters as well as fans need to get with the times. Your double axel is worthless if you don't kick up the free leg right after landing it.

 

[atsumiri]

it's always funny how some users like to create fictional errors where there aren't any.

 

[TryMeLater]

An old legend says that pre-rotation can be taken into account for UR calls. Also, on the quarter apparently doesn’t do any more. The UR did not bother me because Anna’s Lutz is a bit of a Flutz and it’s never called, and her toe pick technique is no good.
But, with that said, some men do worse, so... [emoji55]

Anyway, this will only make them better, I’m sure!
Still lots of opportunities for landing a 4Lz! I hope this JGPF will be the final showdown. Imagine if both Trusova and Anna land a 4Lz?!!!! That’s the amount of epicness we want to see! [emoji23]

Not apparently. It passed during the last ISU congress - they specifically changed the wording for that.

 

[plushyfan]

Yuna competed in another era. The game is different now, and skaters as well as fans need to get with the times. Your double axel is worthless if you don't kick up the free leg right after landing it.

Maybe. But I don't like the meaningless TRs. When Yuna competed many posters mentioned then! she had less TRs than the others. Yess!:agree: :luv17:
I don't like the too busy programs (I said this many times here, I also said I don't like Eteri's programs too much in general) I like the beautiful TRs connect with the music.

 

[Vandevska]

it's always funny how some users like to create fictional errors where there aren't any.

It's funny how other people say this when it's about their favourite, but then turn around and do the same.

 

[Reddi]

Yuna was great without the meaningless TRs. She had beautiful programs and could win with them.

Yuna was great by the late 00's standarts. Even back than her programs very often looked and felt... uneventful. Let's put it that way. You can not like Eteri's style but at least the common bar for all skaters is slowly crawling up. Nowdays you can't just happily skate on two feet the whole program. Even if you'll do half of her amount it will be something.

 

[plushyfan]

Yuna was great by the late 00's standarts. Even back than her programs very often looked and felt... uneventful. Let's put it that way. You can not like Eteri's style but at least the common bar for all skaters is slowly crawling up. Nowdays you can't just happily skate on two feet the whole program. Even if you'll do half of her amount it will be something.

Probably. But the programs aren't more beautiful now.