It's a shame Talalaikina and Nugumanova aren't on the substitute entries list either. You would have thought they'd try to get all Nationals participants a chance at an International Seasons Best just in case they do very well at Nationals. Mind you Gracheva has a good chance of reaching Nationals if she skates well at Stage 5, a 2nd place there in a potentially weak field would get her there.
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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If pogorilaya/nevskaya does not compete internationally this season, does that mean she can use her comeback status next season? She was 3rd at worlds in 2016 so I'm pretty sure she qualifies.
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I suppose so, but there's not really room for any more Russian skaters on the GP... there's already more than 10 on the SB list...
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I think there's something in the ISU document about comeback skaters saying they get priority over SB list skaters. Not sure though.
It wouldn't be a good idea for Anna to compete at Golden Spin unless she's absolutely certain she'll get the high 190s/low 200s SB that would get her Senior GP spots next season. However the fact she's withdrawn from Russian Cup stage 4 presumably means she's not in this sort of form. However I guess the entries were submitted some time ago. Elizaveta is on the list (she always does Golden Spin) but now won't go because of the GPF being at the same time.
Re comeback status skaters, they do get 'priority consideration' but aren't guaranteed 2 spots, plus you'd imagine they'd have to convince their federation they're in good enough form to bump off skaters already qualified via Seasons Best and World Standings. This is this years announcement https://www.isu.org/docman-document...98-gp-general-announcement-2018-19-final/file and it never changes much from year to year.
Re comeback status skaters, they do get 'priority consideration' but aren't guaranteed 2 spots, plus you'd imagine they'd have to convince their federation they're in good enough form to bump off skaters already qualified via Seasons Best and World Standings. This is this years announcement https://www.isu.org/docman-document...98-gp-general-announcement-2018-19-final/file and it never changes much from year to year.
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As expected, Liza confirmed her withdrawal from Golden Spin on Twitter.
Regarding her flip, in her recent Q&A, she jokingly said that she is unFLIPable but she's considering a third 3A.
Regarding her flip, in her recent Q&A, she jokingly said that she is unFLIPable but she's considering a third 3A.
A third 3A probably would get her TES pretty close to RIka's even without a 3F in FS
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She was doing it fine in the past, and I don't think she had any problems with the takeoff edge. It might be an issue of exhaustion of doing that many jumps in the LP, or maybe training the axel gives her less time to maintain the other jumps.
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Travin is not an angel. He is obsessed with Medvedeva and not in the best possible way....but there are facts which are facts, at least for me. Some years ago on GS there was a huge wave of criticism towards Medvedeva from non-Russians mostly North Americans. There was a weekly fresh thread about her "issues". Now, suddenly non-Russians (I cannot say the same ones or not) have become very supportive when her skating has deteriorated. They find non-existing improvements, they say that she has better programs, they talk "long-term". I say, this is nonsense. No matter what the reasons are she and her programs so far are just a shadow of her former self. And judges see it giving her low scores that she never received before. I don't believe that Orser is a top ladies coach - his recent track record with Tursynbaeva and Daleman is not convincing. Eteri, on the other hand, is not a good men's coach - her track record there is quite unimpressive as well. Conclusion? May be Zhenya made an impulsive move and she has to do more now vs. if she stayed with Eteri. I believe in her - I still think that she is an outstanding athlete. I think that she will win over Rika in France to turn the momentum in her favor. But the criticism toward her has the reasons. Travin just raises the temperature to attract more viewers. Fundamentally, I agree with a lot of what he says like that Liza was shamelessly put under Satoko just 2 days ago.
Liza's FS BV is 3.8 points behind Rika's, excluding 10% stuff. Rika's 3A-3T doesn't actually gain her much, except intangible stuff with the judges, because she has to do a 3Lz-2T because of the Zayak rules. If Liza does a 3A-2T instead of her 2A-3T, or a 3A-3T and a 3Lz-2T like Rika she gains 1.8 points. Upgrading her solo 2A to a 3F would make up the other 2.0 points gap.
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Gulyakova is officially in Golden Spin instead of Tuktamysheva.
This. I sign under every single word.
When Zhenya was winning everything, and literally everything, and making mistakes once or twice a season, people were nonstop complaining about how everything about her is horrible. I am glad I am not the only user who remembers the endless threads: "Zhenya's wrong edges" (which were called less than now), "Zhenya's small muscled jumps" (which, except for 2017-18, were not smaller than her current jumps), "Zhenya's bad programs" (which enabled her to score high, had lots of level 4s and highlighted her strengths), "Zhenya two footed a jump, she is done!!!!" (compare with now - Zhenya makes 5-6 mistakes across two programs and everybody screams how she improved and how she will skate for the next two Olympic cycles).
This actually makes me wonder where the western audiences want to see the russian ladies, because while Zhenya was winning, people were overall negative. Now that she is losing, people love her and her skating.
Sorry if I offended anyone, it is just how it looks.
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IMHO - to get away from Eteri was her emotional salvation. The best option would be Mishin. But in this case she would stay in Russia and feel herself in the media shadow of Zagitova (Alina). In Japan she would feel the media shadow of Zagitova (Masaru). There are no quit strong coaches in Europe. So she chose someone in NA. (don't take it too seriously :scratch3
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Good news!
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It is pretty rare for ladies, especially ladies post-puberty, to have both a strong flip and a strong lutz - most have a ! or e on one or the other. Liza has the best 3Lz ever
biggrin: just let me exaggerate a bit - it is a fantastic 3Lz), so maybe her 3F is weaker or the takeoff edge has suffered. Especially since she does a 3Lz-3T now.If it was exhaustion, I don't think she would talk about adding another 3A.
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My interpretation is that many non-Russians were originally frustrated with Zhenya because she had some clear problems with fundamentals and seemed to get inflated scores based on reputation. And her programs, while generally excellent, were designed to hide her flaws (and maybe some over the top miming that’s not a lot of people’s style). I think the idea that she was living this narrative as the greatest, most dominant skater of her generation (not her fault FYI for this, just how she was painted by media). I think this narrative really reasonated with Russians (as it should) because she was representing them. However, to non-Russians it may have felt that it wasn’t wholly earned due to her reputation and politicking that potentially allowed her at times to outscore some non-Russian skaters. Or go down in history as potentially better than some other non-Russian skaters when maybe comparisons to earlier skaters don’t necessarily reflect this.
Why people outside of Russia are excited about her being with Orser and completely changing up her style is because this is in essence her owning her faults and limitations. It’s her way of trying to be a true greatest of a generation and not rely on reputation for favorable scores. She’s not there yet - it’s going to take time. But her scoring is already reflecting that she’ll get no favors. And that means if she does start to win it will be completely earned. She gave up the easy path - continue to be a top skater with the same old process. She gave up the politics and the reputation and the adoration of many Russians. She picked the hardest road possible to show she is a real champion and not someone who just skated programs that masked flaws and relied on a fed pushing to overlook her faults.
She’s not there yet, I’m skeptical if she ever will be able to fix some of her faults and compete with the top skaters. But I have so much respect for the fight in her and I’m rooting for her.
Ironically, your frustration with Satoko’s scores and suppressing of Liza’s is essentially the same reason North Americans were frustrated with Zhenya. Satoko relied on reputation and politics to outscore Liza. It’s not right but unfortunately the way the sport works since some of scoring is subjective and humans are biased. But this phenomenon was why non-Russians bashed Zhenya, now the shoe is on the other foot and Russians are all up in arms about the injustice.
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Anastasia Gubanova, Anastasia Gracheva, and ANNA POGORILAYA has been added to the Golden Spin of Zagreb. http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat03108972.htm
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I don't agree. No matter what issues she had Zhenya was way too dominant because others had their flaws as well. It was not about one or two points. It was about 10-15 points. With Liza-Satoko it's about 1 point and who wins. Here the bias influences the results.
You hit the nail on the head. I mean for the past three years she’s been doing one Lz(e) and basically never got called for it.
Now she does 3 and gets called. What is the message there? We know it’s wrong but since you’re only doing one we will just let it slide with huge ++GOE. WHY??
That was the power of the federation, the undeserved PCS and GOE, even with SS that were average. Now they have a shiny new skater to back and now judges don’t need to inflate her scores.
With that being said. I absolutely see improvements in her skating. Her more muscular figure is noticeable. She is using power to complete movements, unlike before.
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