Things changed because during Yuna-Mao's era a clean 6-7 triples program was a bit of a miracle for the ladies, Around Sochi things changed because it was no longer a big deal, the new generation was consistently skating clean programs, so in order to put yourself in an better position than your competitors, they started to work on complexity, adding more transitions, variations and moving jumps into the second half. Eteri's group really pushed this, not that we wouldn't have seen all these phases but maybe not this quick.
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Things changed because during Yuna-Mao's era a clean 6-7 triples program was a bit of a miracle for the ladies, Around Sochi things changed because it was no longer a big deal, the new generation was consistently skating clean programs, so in order to put yourself in an better position than your competitors, they started to work on complexity, adding more transitions, variations and moving jumps into the second half. Eteri's group really pushed this, not that we wouldn't have seen all these phases but maybe not this quick.
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"This is gymnastics, not theater!" Sorry, could not resist. This is the latest inside gymnastics joke. #facepaint
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Sasha and Anna are just the cutest little squirts. So sweet to see their interaction and sad to see them cry in practice. Unfortunately nothing about Alena.
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Sorry if this is off topic ...
Can anyone explain why Anastasiia Gubanova didn't receive any assignments this fall?
She finished ahead of Tuktamysheva, Leonova, Panenkova, and Samodurova last year at Nationals and ahead of Panenkova at Junior Nationals. I know Panenkova & Samodurova made JGPF, whereas Gubanova only had one JGP where she didn't medal, but I'm surprised she didn't get a Challenger event or anything considering her Nationals showings.
Can anyone explain why Anastasiia Gubanova didn't receive any assignments this fall?
She finished ahead of Tuktamysheva, Leonova, Panenkova, and Samodurova last year at Nationals and ahead of Panenkova at Junior Nationals. I know Panenkova & Samodurova made JGPF, whereas Gubanova only had one JGP where she didn't medal, but I'm surprised she didn't get a Challenger event or anything considering her Nationals showings.
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But this is not a competition of a basic skating but of figures. You can have the best basics in the world but if you don't do figures on ice you can't be the best in a figure skating
God, what? Basic skating skills and basic jump technique are essential to skating in a competition. Yes, Medvedeva is having trouble with getting the requirements in footwork currently, but her improvements in her basics will ensure she can move better across the ice. It's definitely hard for her to get used to the way she's moving now, basically relearning something imbibed in her muscle memory, but it will come with time.
And yes I know "she doesn't have time", sure, whatever. I can't be bothered to be involved in that discussion again when I find her extremely uninteresting, and it's up to people who care more about her to decide whether it's worth it in the long run or not. Her improvements are definitely there though, and if it's her personal goal to skate better, good for her.
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She's assigned to two upcoming challengers: Tallin Trophy and Golden Spin, so stay tuned
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But this is not a competition of a basic skating but of figures. You can have the best basics in the world but if you don't do figures on ice you can't be the best in a figure skating
What are both of you talking about? No one does figures on ice in ISU competition anymore, since 1990. They were eliminated specifically because we decided that literally everything else other than figures is more important when it comes to winning competitions. Go to the ISI track for figures.
OTOH the whole reason figures were a thing is because they’re all about using excellent basics. Foundation of the sport, and all that.
This whole thread would have given Eva Pawlik an aneurism.
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She's assigned to two upcoming challengers: Tallin Trophy and Golden Spin, so stay tuned
Good to hear! She's one of my favorites.
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I'm not sure what you're not understanding. Baron Vladimir regularly uses "figures" to mean the steps and turns in footwork for whatever reason along with transitions, and is saying it doesn't matter even if someone has the best basics if they fail to meet the requirements. Fair enough, except Medevedeva rebuilding her basics will ensure her longevity. Well, longevity with the asterisk that exists with Russian skating fields.
Your post doesn't exactly add anything to the discussion, though. I was aware of figures being eliminated a while back, and I'm sure Vladimir was, too. And I'm sure we're both aware they existed to test the skaters' basic skating, too.
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Are the scores somehow prepaid for team Tutberidze? This is probably the cheapest shot (and disrespectful to other users) I've ever read in GS, esp. considering Zhenya's very generous pcs score in France.
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https://youtu.be/urWLxxfab4g?t=89 She was definitely into the choreography at the Russian Test skates when she did it, although it's kinda hard to see if she's smiling because the person is filming opposite the judges.
And she did smile during the step sequence at ACI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn7Y7gVRLts
Incidentally I loved that first dress
I thought it was totally perfect! Ah well.
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Yes, i'm using term 'figures' for steps, turns, spins, jumps, basically for any 'body figures' on ice.
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To be clear this is Compulsory Figures.
https://youtu.be/UjWzJRlVrVA
I hope you’re still awake after that. It’s far less exciting in person ... trust me. I see them being done regularly in front of me.
No offense to anyone out there doing them still but it’s not the most exciting thing to watch.
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I’d love to see exactly where you’re seeing this specifically. It would be very helpful if you could explain a few basic transitions or link an excellent use of basics where she’s improved. She’s always had a very purposeful use of her steps that I’m sort of missing but I would be very happy to see where you’ve spotted an improvement of those basics and is implementing it into her performance. It would be reassuring for a lot of us I’m sure.
Here is an example of a skater who left Eteri recently and has found ways to continue to use her basics and complexity in very effective and meaningful ways. In the pass I’ve linked below we can see excellent use of one foot skating, difficult steps (is that half axel thing called a bell jump? ) but most importantly she uses the basic fundamentals like loop turns, power pulls, powerful yet minimal amount of crossovers and is learning how to even better relate (she was already good) those movements to the music as a form of expression ..... arguably even better than before. I recommend following the link beyond the spin and even past the second 2a to see the full picture I’m trying to paint
https://youtu.be/rQ517dI0pGA?t=52s
If you’ve followed the development of this program you will have noticed this whole section transform throughout the season. They’ve moved a 3-3 out of it that was there at the start of the year and added some very light and well executed one foot turns and glides from what was once a long set up with even some two foot coasting into the loop jump. I think Anastasia is a great example of a skater who uses a strong vocabulary of basics to enhance her transitions by gaining power and speed during the execution. This is how skaters are impressing judges these days.
So where has Zhenya improved her programs this year with better basics? Which steps specifically translate into her programs via the implementation of skating skills? I really am curious and would love to have a more positive perspective on the matter. I see posters saying it but no one is showing it to me.
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I really miss this original placement of the 2a-1eu-3s which I thought was an absolute brilliant use of musical structure and incorporating musical highlights timed creatively to a jump pass. Absolute Respect for trying to use a half loop as a musical highlight
I understand Anastasia is stronger now after her recovery and is moving the combos later to have a better shot at a medal at JGPF. It’s a smart coaching move and the program not only didn’t suffer...it shows signs of improvement and was thoughtfully done actually. Just look at the ChSeq they added to her senior program. The way she twizzles and then counters the rotation directly into a knee slide and back up for an Ina Bauer and split jump is excellent but the height into her flying spin is so impressive!!
I really miss this original placement of the 2a-1eu-3s which I thought was an absolute brilliant use of musical structure and incorporating musical highlights timed creatively to a jump pass. Absolute Respect for trying to use a half loop as a musical highlight
I understand Anastasia is stronger now after her recovery and is moving the combos later to have a better shot at a medal at JGPF. It’s a smart coaching move and the program not only didn’t suffer...it shows signs of improvement and was thoughtfully done actually. Just look at the ChSeq they added to her senior program. The way she twizzles and then counters the rotation directly into a knee slide and back up for an Ina Bauer and split jump is excellent but the height into her flying spin is so impressive!!
Even worse if you grew up having the do them. And wondering, and hoping, that after the thousands of dollars your parents spent on figure skating, would you even be allowed to proceed to the free skate? Bad Old Memories. LOL Not to mention having to shlep TWO pairs of skates to every competition, one pair specifically for figures (usually old free style skates with special blades) Oh, and, back in the day, we didn't have 'rolling' bags.
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To talk about something that isn‘t Zhenya:
What do you think which juniors have the best chance to be sent to worlds this year? Will they send the three Eteri girls? I remember in the past they didn‘t seem to want to (at least from my impression) last year Nastya Tarakanova wasn‘t sent even though she made JGPF and medaled there. I know she didn’t do too well in the FS at Nationals but being able to make the final and even medal there should still account for something. So, that‘s why I kind of got this impression. This year it would be hard to argue not sending Kostornaya, Shcherbakova and Trusova unless one of them bombs really hard at either JGPF or Nationals. They are just that good and I hope all three get the chance, even though I‘d be still sad for Nastya who would miss the Worlds two years in a row now and who improved so, so much this year... Alena Kanysheva has chances, too but she is still young, she has time. Anna Tarusina would deserve it but she already loses against Tarakanova in many competitions, so I don’t see how she’d beat the Eteri trio unless they bomb and she has the skate of her lifetime. Who else? I think everyone who made JGPF has at least a shot, depending on how they perform at Nationals. But I think it will be more than hard to perform against the wonder trio, they‘re just on another level.
Pretty sad. I’d like to see all of them at Worlds. They are just so many of them who are great. Who are your picks? Do you think they‘ll send all three Eteri girls? I know it all comes down to Nationals but still, with JGPF coming up it‘s something I thought worth discussing. It might have been repeated a 100 times already but surely not more often than the Zhenya topic.
What do you think which juniors have the best chance to be sent to worlds this year? Will they send the three Eteri girls? I remember in the past they didn‘t seem to want to (at least from my impression) last year Nastya Tarakanova wasn‘t sent even though she made JGPF and medaled there. I know she didn’t do too well in the FS at Nationals but being able to make the final and even medal there should still account for something. So, that‘s why I kind of got this impression. This year it would be hard to argue not sending Kostornaya, Shcherbakova and Trusova unless one of them bombs really hard at either JGPF or Nationals. They are just that good and I hope all three get the chance, even though I‘d be still sad for Nastya who would miss the Worlds two years in a row now and who improved so, so much this year... Alena Kanysheva has chances, too but she is still young, she has time. Anna Tarusina would deserve it but she already loses against Tarakanova in many competitions, so I don’t see how she’d beat the Eteri trio unless they bomb and she has the skate of her lifetime. Who else? I think everyone who made JGPF has at least a shot, depending on how they perform at Nationals. But I think it will be more than hard to perform against the wonder trio, they‘re just on another level.
Pretty sad. I’d like to see all of them at Worlds. They are just so many of them who are great. Who are your picks? Do you think they‘ll send all three Eteri girls? I know it all comes down to Nationals but still, with JGPF coming up it‘s something I thought worth discussing. It might have been repeated a 100 times already but surely not more often than the Zhenya topic.
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