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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

I agree with you to an extent. I think her and her team need to figure out why she is continuing. Is it to win or is it because she loves to skate and compete? Cause the reality is, the field is changing quickly and a lot of people are going to get left behind. If they are only in it to win, no wonder why she is having confidence issues.

I just hope she isn’t entertaining this overwrought discussion people online keep having about her move to Brian. The dramatics people interject are enough to make any GS member’s ignore feature go into overdrive. I pray she has an ignore button of her own because the power of suggestion can be very destructive and TBH some of the things I’ve read from both sides of that debate would be hard for anyone to swallow.

I’m just hoping the girl skates her heart out and gets results in the FS. It could go a long way to settling down the ship. More than anything I hope she can find a way to train with Brian (if that’s what she thinks is in her best interest) but still find a way to compete in the Cup of Russia events next season. I think it is crucial that she stays more involved with the scene back home. I’ve always thought being in the midst of such competition the level of Russian Domestic events is a tremendous conduit for the progress we see in Russian Ladies skating.

My thoughts are with Zhenya and her fans tomorrow :pray:
 
Med doesn't have two years to get back to competitive form imo. By then, the parade will have passed her by. I really don't understand what has caused her deterioration. Is she suffering from some form of Post Traumatic SD due to what happened at the Olympics?

Eteri's consistency comes from not correcting technique when it will negatively effect the current performance and many many repetitions. Speaking personally, as a kid I relied solely on endless repetition to play every piano recital piece mindlessly from muscle memory. I could be nervous and still play the pieces without mistake because I would not have to concentrate on anything but making sure my muscle memory didn't fail me.

Now, Evgenia's body cannot handle the number repetitions that get the same level of muscle memory she had before. She hasn't deteriorated. She simply hasn't master the new method, which required more mental training. If she hasn't done a lot of image training yet, perhaps she could do more and also talk with sports psychologist.

Though perhaps, if she has done a lot of image training, her injuries are too severe for the mental training to help right now .
 
I don’t think Evgenia can count on all the younger skaters struggling with puberty problems heading to the next Olympics.

She wasn’t the only skater who had a disappointing Olympics. But she seems to get more sympathy than others.
 
I just hope she isn’t entertaining this overwrought discussion people online keep having about her move to Brian. The dramatics people interject are enough to make any GS member’s ignore feature go into overdrive. I pray she has an ignore button of her own....:

She does if she’s listening to Brian. His interview with Jackie Wong, I thought, was very informative, and he said he asks his skaters not to read any comments, the good or the bad.

Which I have said for four years now; I would hope that no skater reads online fora. :noshake:And reads only words of support from their fans on social media.:agree:

And does what they think is best for them.
 
$110 per hour and he takes no percentage of their competition winnings.

Well that's definitely not so much as I tought.
If someone can help her with the apartment and federation will pay all the travel expenses like by every other skater they do, I really don't sea a reason why is everyone doing such a big question mark, who will pay for her if she is not successful?? Well, Zhenya herself can pretty much afford it for at least next two seasons even without pantene sponsorship... Not mentioning that it's also a good investment for her if she decides to try couching once she retiered, she will have the backrounds of two best and so different skating schools...
 
I don’t think Evgenia can count on all the younger skaters struggling with puberty problems heading to the next Olympics.

She wasn’t the only skater who had a disappointing Olympics. But she seems to get more sympathy than others.

She asked for a more sympathy then others. She simply never seemed happy about her win. And it is so strange if someone had a such a good skate and WIN the olympic silver and still thinks he need to rework everything.

But still she can show today how tough fighter she is and get her worlds ticket.
Lets see how good her best performance could be.
 
Mao had 3A though.

And going forward, ladies champions will likely need 3A or quads. Other than Mirai, I don’t know of any ladies that learned 3A as an adult.
 
I just hope she isn’t entertaining this overwrought discussion people online keep having about her move to Brian. The dramatics people interject are enough to make any GS member’s ignore feature go into overdrive. I pray she has an ignore button of her own because the power of suggestion can be very destructive and TBH some of the things I’ve read from both sides of that debate would be hard for anyone to swallow.

I’m just hoping the girl skates her heart out and gets results in the FS. It could go a long way to settling down the ship. More than anything I hope she can find a way to train with Brian (if that’s what she thinks is in her best interest) but still find a way to compete in the Cup of Russia events next season. I think it is crucial that she stays more involved with the scene back home. I’ve always thought being in the midst of such competition the level of Russian Domestic events is a tremendous conduit for the progress we see in Russian Ladies skating.

My thoughts are with Zhenya and her fans tomorrow :pray:

Thank you for your words of support :luv17:
 
Mao Asada won 2013 GP Finals, 2014 Worlds at age 23/24. AFTER she reworked her jumps.
What does reworking her jumps have to do with coming back? She never had anything to "come back" from, as she, unlike Medvedeva maintained her place as one of country's top skaters throughout that time.

Clearly I was referring to Mao coming back after taking a year off following Sochi. She bombed to 12th at her Nationals and never recovered. And even then, she had some success before that happened.
 
Med doesn't have two years to get back to competitive form imo. By then, the parade will have passed her by. I really don't understand what has caused her deterioration. Is she suffering from some form of Post Traumatic SD due to what happened at the Olympics?

That's actually very easy. Just look at the ex-Eteri girls results after SP and compare them with Eteri girls. See?
 
What does reworking her jumps have to do with coming back? She never had anything to "come back" from, as she, unlike Medvedeva maintained her place as one of country's top skaters throughout that time.

Clearly I was referring to Mao coming back after taking a year off following Sochi. She bombed to 12th at her Nationals and never recovered. And even then, she had some success before that happened.
Obviously, because Evgenia is also reworking her jumps. Mao Asada's results for 2 years after she started reworking jumps was not good by her standards. She finished 7th at 2011 WC & 6th in 2012 WC. I remember watching her struggle with her jumps while still competing.
Age wise, Mao was 20 to 22 at this time, comparable to Evgenia.
This is what most discussions have been about. Re working jumps vs another reworking jumps.

After Mao retired, her coach revealed she was having back & leg injuries, hampering her training.

By 2015, Mao was already 25, how to compare with a 19 yr old ? Many of us expected Mao to retire after 2014 OG.
 
That's actually very easy. Just look at the ex-Eteri girls results after SP and compare them with Eteri girls. See?

I don‘t think it‘s that easy to make of a statement and I also don‘t think it‘s correct. Let‘s see who‘s left Eteri...

Polina Tsurskaya: she was already injured under Eteri and didn‘t perform her best, it was a clear trend downwards imo. And it was obvious that she wasn‘t feeling comfortable in that group either. And now her injury seems to be even worse and that combined with chronic underrotation issues Team Buyanova apparently doesn‘t care about fixing can’t end well. Maybe the team she chose was a mistake but leaving Eteri clearly wasn‘t. She wasn‘t doing particularly well under her either and even if she was, she wasn‘t happy there and that‘s a crucial thing if you want to work successfully anywhere.

Daria Panenkova: I don‘t know what happened to her but the poor girl really doesn‘t have it easy. She was very consistent last season and isn‘t now. I thought I heard she‘s injured and has boot issues. Her coaching situation also is very confusing.

Anastasia Tarakanova: she does very well. Two medals at JGP, one gold, one silver and made the final and placed 4th there. The SP has been her weakness this season and she continues to underperform it. It‘s a very difficult image to portray, maybe to difficult for her at this early stage of her career. But if she comes back spectacularly in the FS which she almost always does, there‘s no way she‘ll end up second to last again.

Evgenia Medvedeva: There‘s so much talk about her so I won‘t say much. But it was obvious that psychologically staying with Eteri wouldn‘t have worked for her. Her issues now aren‘t really easy to explain but are probably a mixture of adapting to new technique, environment, training and life in general + less training than with Eteri due to multiple injuries which results in less body memory + a loss of confidence due to her suddenly finding herself not able to do everything 100% like she practiced. Time will tell whether she can overcome that. If she does, she‘ll be great. If not... not.

And I generally don‘t like this pattern of “students who leave Eteri do worse because she is the genius coach and only she can get results“ I mean, yes, she is a great coach and yes; she gets results. And she also obviously isn‘t the evil monster either who just exploits her students for fame and money. But there is this pattern of students who already showed signs of fatigue in their body leaving her and looking worse after. And I ask myself why everyone only sees that as a sign of her greatness and their weakness? Can‘t it be sign as a sign of the weakness of her training method having consequences, too? That she makes the students get the medals they want but at what cost? That they leave broken? I don‘t know how people can ignore this. It‘s not about evil Eteri what I‘m trying to say, or about hating. Ted‘s interview has clearly shown that she isn‘t a monster, that there are many human and emotional aspects about her, that she cares about her students. But from someone who’s looking at this logically, it can’t only be the new coaches’ or the students’ fault that they are underperforming after they left her.

There is still this pattern of students and I can’t ignore it, despite the medals she gets. Every coach has injuries and I‘m not talking about the injuries. I‘m talking about the mental aspect. It seems to me that, as soon as you‘re struggling physically, it‘s over for you. Anna is the exception here with her broken leg but she was young and didn‘t have any titles or experience, her returning was amazing but somehow still different than the other cases I mentioned.

Again, this is not about me hating on Eteri. I obviously know that she helps many children achieve their dreams. But then I see the consequences. Everything has consequences so why not Eteri‘s coaching? She isn‘t the perfect genius either so I have a hard time blaming only the students and saying the only reason was they left Eteri and she‘s the only one who made them get results. I see medals but I also see... Polina’s and Evgenia’s and Yulia’s and how they look after these medals. Who don’t only struggle physically but clearly have a mental scar, too. Maybe that‘s normal in sports, maybe it‘s what you have to do to be successful. I don‘t follow it long enough to know. But these are children, so yes, I start doubting and questioning. And in my opinion, it’s obvious that the blame isn‘t only on the students who left and their new coaches. The old team has some fault too. I don‘t know how much and I‘m not the one to judge. The only thing I want is that we get away from this whole situation of people being either “evil Eteri is a monster!“ or “Eteri is a genius and whoever leaves her will regret it soon enough“ Maybe there‘s an inbetween. Things aren‘t as black and white as they might look like.

That‘s all I wanted to say and I kinda expect getting attacked already but before you do it, please read the multiple times I said “I don‘t hate Eteri“ (which I don‘t. Without her many of my favourites probably wouldn‘t be even known today). Thanks.
 
That's actually very easy. Just look at the ex-Eteri girls results after SP and compare them with Eteri girls. See?

Everyone has a total different story. And its normal that if someone move to another coach it take some time to have the results...

Tarakanova is doing surprisingly well (except yesterday mistake) even she started with the training later then other girls (initially she wanted to quit her skating, later she changed her mind and moved do Plushenko)

Tsurskaya went through injuries and as she said she could't keep training with the younger girls, cause when she saw what their are doing she simple cannot resist to push herself further and couldn't therefore fully recover from her injury.

Panenkova simple doesnt have a coach, Tsareva is only pro forma, she is coaching herself, thats why she changed to her previous program.

We dont lnow how would they do under Eteri but at least they tried their best to make figure skating more enjoyable for them. Nastya is nb 1 junior in her team, Polina is a very good friend with Masha, spend even the holidays together and Dasha, no idea what went so wrong with her...
 
Obviously, because Evgenia is also reworking her jumps. Mao Asada's results for 2 years after she started reworking jumps was not good by her standards. She finished 7th at 2011 WC & 6th in 2012 WC. I remember watching her struggle with her jumps while still competing.

Are you really equating 7th at Worlds with 14th at Nationals?

Mao finished on the podium at Nationals in 11 straight appearances. If anything, she is proof that you can rework your jumps without experiencing a gynormous drop in performance.
 
As the competition is approaching, I wish us and the girls many quads and clean skates, and for all of you to find love in your hearts instead of this enormous hatred.



I don‘t think it‘s that easy to make of a statement and I also don‘t think it‘s correct. Let‘s see who‘s left Eteri...
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This whole thing: :clapper:
 
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