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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Ok lol...I’m :dbana:

Sasha was messing around with computers there too: "So, guys, where do you keep this little mute button for your TV-thingy here? I want to use one on those who are not supporting us."
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Head of Sambo-70 school. I did my research on this school few months ago. I know how he looks like. He has a very active instagram: https://www.instagram.com/layshev/
 
I agree. But why did Tat tell Orser not to prepare Zhenya for worlds? My understanding is, if you are First or second substitute, you should be prepared to go.

it was not
TAT told us fans (in an interview) that rusfed did not tell Orser to prepare Zhenya for Worlds, while they told Mishin to prepare Liza for Worlds (confirmed by Mishin)

So my understanding is - Liza is an actual candidate for a Worlds spot (likely, the choice will be between her and Sonia), depending on her recovery, form and results and the universiade.
While Zhenya is a sub, and she will not be a candidate for a Worlds spot, regardless of what she does, unless one or (more likely) two out of Alina/Liza/Stasya/Sonia get sick or injured and cannot compete.
 
I think she knows where to stand depending on who's asking the question, and based on results.

Probably she wasn't expecting a podium sweep from Eteri's trio or such a poor outing from her favourites (Konstantinova aside)

TAT actually stands depending on results and other skaters in competition.
Cand find it now, but a while ago people put together 2 videos of her commenting on dance, on the same pair. In one competition, this pair competed against Stepanova Bukin (TAT's known darlings), and she bashed them. On the other competition, there were no TAT's favs competing, so she praised this pair (afair it was some NA team). As it happens in dance, both performances were nearly identical, but one got negative feedback (because it was a threat to her favs) and another got positive feedback.

So for example, i'm not surprised with her praising Trusova and using the loving voice on her during rusnats - 3A are not a threat to any of TAT's favs, because they are not eligible for euros and worlds, and after the SP disaster it was clear that Zhenya is not really a podium contender there unless like 5 skaters bomb entirely. But I also would not be surprised to see TAT bashing 3A next year.
 
I'd also like to bring the theory that maybe RusFed is backing on Chebotareva's group because she brought Kolyada.
I agree with this. Obviously, we are just speculating, but i think too that more than pushing Konstantinova they are supporting, while doing this kind of favors to her, the Olympic School St. Petersburg.
 
The mantra about her previous jump technique that ruined her body and had to be changed for me is ridiculous. I think it is just in the minds of those fans who defend her move to Orser and hope that she will "show them all next season". I have not heard any professional opinion on that and I don't believe in it. I don't think that she would have big issues if she stayed with Eteri. On the contrary, with struggling Alina Zhenya could have regained her #1 status this season which now seems like science fiction. And next year we have Rika + 3A. Welcome to win over them even with "new and better technique".

You may not believe it.

But I trust Zhenya, and she believes it, and I do believe it. So if I am sorry if you find the mantra ridiculous. It’s not ridiculous to me.
 
The mantra about her previous jump technique that ruined her body and had to be changed for me is ridiculous. I think it is just in the minds of those fans who defend her move to Orser and hope that she will "show them all next season". I have not heard any professional opinion on that and I don't believe in it. I don't think that she would have big issues if she stayed with Eteri. On the contrary, with struggling Alina Zhenya could have regained her #1 status this season which now seems like science fiction. And next year we have Rika + 3A. Welcome to win over them even with "new and better technique".

I am not here to say that her previous technique "ruined her body" but there are different techniques for everything from jumps to backwards crossovers. I do think there is something to learning to jump more with you legs vs your upper body and how a girl jumping at the age of 15 can use a different technique than someone in their 20s. I think technique is something that has to evolve and adapt with you as your body changes.
 
The mantra about her previous jump technique that ruined her body and had to be changed for me is ridiculous. I think it is just in the minds of those fans who defend her move to Orser and hope that she will "show them all next season". I have not heard any professional opinion on that and I don't believe in it. I don't think that she would have big issues if she stayed with Eteri. On the contrary, with struggling Alina Zhenya could have regained her #1 status this season which now seems like science fiction. And next year we have Rika + 3A. Welcome to win over them even with "new and better technique".
Personally, I don’t find this mantra ridiculous at all. Of course, it’s not Eteri herself who “destroyed” Evgenia’s body, but I just don’t understand how can people not see a big pattern in Eteri students; and I say that as an admirer (not a fan, but still) of Eteri herself. The technique of Eteri is not a technique made for adult women, it’s a technique made for little girls. It’s because the technique used is based mostly on rotation speed, and it’s extremely obvious. It’s made for juniors because they are thin, petite, little, light, and so, their rotation speed is fast. It allows them to rotate their jumps, especially their quads etc. That’s why I don’t believe Trusova and especially Shcherbakova are going to keep their quads all their life. This technique is made for little girls. Then puberty will come, butt, breast will come as well, the center of gravity will be changed and it will be much much more difficult for them to do what they are doing – quads, but also others jumps like some triples since their technique was based on rotation speed. It's basic physics.

I love Evgenia, but frankly, she had a terrible technique (and even if there are improvements, it’s not the best in the world right now either). Tutberidze never bothered to fix the technique of Medvedeva because it worked. But you have to be blind not to see her skating deteriorated the more she got older, and it has nothing to do with her stress fracture (even if her fracture didn’t help of course). At the end of 2016-2017, she was using her upper body even more than before to do basic crossovers, and her jumps were even more muscled than before (which is actually a miracle since she was one of the skater with the most muscled jumps I’ve ever seen to begin with).
And we see that now with Zagitova. Look at her technique right now. She underrotates much more than before. But more than underrotations, look at the skating skills (which weren’t the best to begin with, but still). Her skating is not as effortless as before (it's not effortless at all to be honest), and I know why because I saw the exact same thing over the years. The exact same pattern. Before it was Medvedeva. Before it was Lipnitskaya. With each (female junior) skater it’s the exact same. Lather, rinse, repeat. The only one who has a chance for me to pass post-puberty is Kostornaya, but her technique is not based on Eteri model, so she is an exception.

At the end of the day, as Fluture said, it’s Zhenya herself who mentioned she could not continue under Eteri, and I think (since she is – you know – the main character in this story) she knows more than all of us here. Maybe staying with Eteri would have worked for her, but I severely doubt it, since I noticed the signs since 2017, way before her stress and spine fracture. Morever, you say “with struggling Alina, Zhenya could have regained her #1 status this season”, except you never, ever, make decisions about your competitors. When you make decisions (especially drastic decisions), it's about you. Not about Zagiova & cie : 1) Zhenya had no chance to know that Alina will struggle this season, she doesn't see the future and 2) It’s not her problem and it’s completely irrelevant. Zhenya herself said she could not train under Eteri anymore. It has nothing to do with Alina, it’s about Zhenya and Zhenya only.

Morever, you say “regained her #1 status” but for how long ? Eteri’s technique is not made for women. It would have failed her. Maybe she could have stayed another year under Eteri, yes, why not, and bring some medals. But Evgenia said herself she wants to compete for a long long time, and we all saw all long Eteri students with the magical Eteri technique stayed competitive. :rolleye:

So yes, I welcome this “new and better technique”. Because it IS better. Because it will allow her to continue if she really wants to. Yes, she is struggling, but as I said before, it's not her technique, it was nerves (and even if it was her technique, she is experiencing something new. I think it's understandable).
Furthermore, she can also learn new jumps (I heard she intends to learn the quad salchow and the triple axel – I’m not really optimistic for the axel, but for the salchow, since it’s one of her best jumps, she has clearly the potential). She is a fighter so why do people think she is going to watch her competitors learn new jumps while doing nothing herself ?

I know people don’t believe in her right now. But I do believe in her, and I want her to believe in herself (and when it's the case, she can delivers fantastic performances). I know people say her choice to go to Brian was bad, because “look, Alina can score 80 points, or look at the trio of Juniors that finished on the podium at Nationals and they are all under Eteri!”. At the end of the day, what I’m saying don’t have much worth. However, I feel she did the right choice and she will have lots of things to show us in the future. I’ve been in figure skating for a long time and while I don’t have a crystal ball, I think I’m right on this one. I hope so.
 
i agree with most of this but i would say that alina's technique has been getting back to where it used to be if we only watch her practices. The competitions are a different story but her jumps have actually been looking bigger than before her growth spurt and the URs are happening less and less. If we only watch practices. And obviously practice doesn't actually count. But i guess the point is that i'm not so sure eteri's technique won't last for alina, time will tell.
 
^If you're going to draw conclusions from practices, then Meds been looking like a potential Worlds champion in her practices.

Time will tell if Zagitova's technique will survive. If it doesn't, it'll be fun to watch how the willfully obtuse twist themselves trying to explain it. Or maybe they'll just sweep her under the rug the way they've done Lipniskaia.

This board literally had the EXACT same debates about Lipniskaia 3 years ago, and we all know how she turned out.
 
I love Evgenia, but frankly, she had a terrible technique (and even if there are improvements, it’s not the best in the world right now either).

Yes, she is struggling, but as I said before, it's not her technique, it was nerves (and even if it was her technique, she is experiencing something new. I think it's understandable).

You argue that Evgenia had bad jump technique before her coaching change, and that her current jump technique has unstable results.

Shouldn't the logical conclusion from those two statements be that Evgenia is not going to be able to learn harder jumps like quads? :scratch2:
 
But i guess the point is that i'm not so sure eteri's technique won't last for alina, time will tell.

Completely agree. Time will tell. :)

Strange how some posters keep insisting that everyone needs to wait two years before giving up on their favorite skater, yet they are ready to declare that other skaters, many of whom have had much better results, are done.
 
You argue that Evgenia had bad jump technique before her coaching change, and that her current jump technique has unstable results.

Shouldn't the logical conclusion from those two statements be that Evgenia is not going to be able to learn harder jumps like quads? :scratch2:
Sorry, but I don't understand your point?

Evgenia's jumping technique is a "textbook" Eteri technique. It worked before, but it can't work now. Evgenia never had a great jumping technique to begin with, with muscled jumps, prerotations, full blade, a /bad/ axel and of course, the infamous flutz.
Currently, Evgenia's technique is better, I see a lot of improvements. (And I would even argue she is quite consistent with it at the moment, but only during the practices, which don't mean anything since it's not the actual competition...anyway, that's not the point). However, it's still a new technique, and its going to take a bit of time, because she is not used to it, and old habits die hard, as we say. When this "process" of her life will be over, then, if she wants to, I think she has the potential to up her technical content. :)
 
Completely agree. Time will tell. :)

Strange how some posters keep insisting that everyone needs to wait two years before giving up on their favorite skater, yet they are ready to declare that other skaters, many of whom have had much better results, are done.
I don't know if this is directed at me (hope I'm not going to embarass myself...), but I never said Alina or any other Eteri skaters is done. If that's the impression you've got from my message, then that was not what I meant. As you said - only time will tell, and maybe I'm wrong on a lot of points. I'm not making a statement about the future, it's just...well, let's say "predictions" or suppositions. It's just that I'm a firm believer of history repeating itself, and I fear it's going to happen again in the future. But maybe it will not be the case ; I mean every athletes are different, and every story is different as well.

We will see in the future. In the meantime, I wish Alina, but also Sofia and Stanislava good performances at the next competitions, with a redemption skate for Alina. :)
 
^If you're going to draw conclusions from practices, then Meds been looking like a potential Worlds champion in her practices.

Time will tell if Zagitova's technique will survive. If it doesn't, it'll be fun to watch how the willfully obtuse twist themselves trying to explain it. Or maybe they'll just sweep her under the rug the way they've done Lipniskaia.

This board literally had the EXACT same debates about Lipniskaia 3 years ago, and we all know how she turned out.

no i don't think i would say the same thing is happening with zhenya. her spins have been looking very iffy i remember her even falling (or maybe just majorly losing balance) on a spin, she falls a lot more than alina has been as well on jumps in practice. I would say looking at practices alina nearly looks as strong as she was at the olympics and zhenya not as strong but definitely better than she's been doing in competition
 
no i don't think i would say the same thing is happening with zhenya. her spins have been looking very iffy i remember her even falling (or maybe just majorly losing balance) on a spin, she falls a lot more than alina has been as well on jumps in practice. I would say looking at practices alina nearly looks as strong as she was at the olympics and zhenya not as strong but definitely better than she's been doing in competition
I would give the guess that the thing with her spins is related to her back injury. Or at least it a factor in it. But she did get better at her spins from the previous competitions this year. She didn't have any V call at the nats and if I counted right she had the right amount of revolutions.
 
What do you guys think about a new threat "critical discussions about Evgenia Medvedeva and her move from Eteri to Orser"?

Every few days the same discussions start again and again with the same arguments from both sides and everybody and their mother is offended and frustrated... (and new I have probably offended everybody :D)

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Re: Eteri's technique

I don't think Team Tutberitze has a winning formula and uses it to produce one champion after another. They offer great packaging that highlights the strenghts and hides the weaknesses of their skaters. They don't only work on jumps or artistry, they work on what the individual skater is already strong at and highlight it. Ofc ideally, we would all like to see a complete skater that is on top in every aspect but sadly it's not very realistic.

Take for example 3A

Sasha:
+ jumping (quads, triples, TES everything)
- Interpretation, performance (not SS!)
Alena:
+ PCS (SS, TS, Int, Perf...), GOE
- her jump content is 'outdated' , BV even behind Alina, Bradie,... !
Anna:
+ good int, perf, jump content (not nessesarily technique)
- SS!
 
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