2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[silverfoxes]

And to:



Eteri was talking about her feelings, comparing two seasons. What she had to cope with last year (and the separation of Medvedeva definitely belongs among it all), what prevented her to enjoy fully her success last year and why this worlds championship is a redemption. I really can't see the thing you still are trying to find in every single word she says. Again, I'm back with my point about her talking about Boitano. She speaks about Boitano - she wants to bash Orser. She speaks about last season - she wants to attack Medvedeva. According some people she simply can't talk about things just because it is how she feels it, no, there is always sinister purpose behind it. No, I don't see any evil in those words and therefore I say there is nothing what "she shouldn't do". People are so quick with bringing their personal norms to others.

I never have used the word "evil" and I did not say she "attacked" Med. No, I think she is just very calculated and knows how to push people's buttons and gets some kind of a thrill from it. Sadistic, is that better for you? Eteri is extremely cunning and smart, and not naive in the least, unlike a lot of her sycophantic fans. Nobody prevents her from writing or saying anything, but she knows when she's going to stir the pot. That's exactly why she does it.

 

[flanker]

I never have used the word "evil" and I did not say she "attacked" Med. No, I think she is just very calculated and knows how to push people's buttons and gets some kind of a thrill from it. Sadistic, is that better for you? Eteri is extremely cunning and smart, and not naive in the least, unlike a lot of her sycophantic fans. Nobody prevents her from writing or saying anything, but she knows when she's going to stir the pot. That's exactly why she does it.

We can play with words which purpose is the same, I don't see any reason for that for this is not about rational arguments. That's my modest answer.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Zhenia was special to her and she left without a warning. How would you feel if someone closed to you decides to cut ties like that and someone else tells you sorry but this person doesn’t want to see you anymore.

I’m sure it was incredibly painful. She was like a daughter to her. But she says she couldn’t enjoy the success of two medals - one of which Zhenya earned for her. She should also be appreciative of all that Zhenya has done for her to make her a top coach and acknowledge that one of those Olympic medals came from Zhenya.

That’s why it was unnecessary to bring her into this post. Imagine how Zhenya must feel to have worked so incredibly hard to earn that medal, to make a decision that she felt was in her best interest (even if she didn’t handle it great which we don’t know what actually went down behind the scenes), only to have this parental figure continu to lambast her on social media a year later. And the timing was right after her students outperformed zhenya and it was very clear from Eteri’s reaction how much she wanted her student to defeat Zhenya despite Zhenya representing Russia and sambo 70. Which is understandable. But she really didn’t need to bring Zhenya into this post. It feels like shade.

 

[melgirl25]

Zhenia was special to her and she left without a warning. How would you feel if someone closed to you decides to cut ties like that and someone else tells you sorry but this person doesn’t want to see you anymore.

I have not doubt that there was a disagreement between the two about Zhenya's future goals. IMO it was not without warning. That said, I still wish the exit went differently for everyone's sake.

 

[flanker]

and it was very clear from Eteri’s reaction how much she wanted her student to defeat Zhenya despite Zhenya representing Russia and sambo 70

The rest was talked from the front and from behind, right and left, but this! Now even the fact that Eteri is celebrating her own students victory is bad? How exactly she should have to execute her celebrations to not touch somebody's feelings?

Like, because Lilbet is representing Kazakhstan, Eteri shouldn't celebrate her silver in K&C? Or she should just tell her: "you did well, Lilbet, but because you represent Kazakhstan, I will not hug you, I will not smile, I will not jump from the seat?" How you people then can cope with the situations when Orser was celebrating his own foreign students victories over canadian representants? This is just ridiculous.

 

[r2d2]

And to:



Eteri was talking about her feelings, comparing two seasons. What she had to cope with last year (and the separation of Medvedeva definitely belongs among it all), what prevented her to enjoy fully her success last year and why this worlds championship is a redemption. I really can't see the thing you still are trying to find in every single word she says. Again, I'm back with my point about her talking about Boitano. She speaks about Boitano - she wants to bash Orser. She speaks about last season - she wants to attack Medvedeva. According some people she simply can't talk about things just because it is how she feels it, no, there is always sinister purpose behind it. No, I don't see any evil in those words and therefore I say there is nothing what "she shouldn't do". People are so quick with bringing their personal norms to others.

Those calls for talking about other things, not only Eteri vs. Zhenya struggle, than seem not serious to me, when those people are still bringing the same topics, the same narrative back again and again, when those people can't accept what Orlov have said:

"We said that the world does not revolve around Medvedeva."

That's it. So simple.

P. S. those things you mentioned many people do, even here on GS - like health speculations, those are very popular here. And remember, how some people started to chase Eteri for words about "bronze medals" just because bad robotic translation, they were triggered immediately before realized she was talking about something completely different. Do not deny that there are many people prepared to "consider" any word that is crossing her lips and turn it against her.

again the same, my point is that you can do silly things but you shouldnt. it is about result not intentions(in law even when you have good intentions but result isnt as good as intentions you can go to jail). i will try simpler. lets assume you know when you write about person X in your post some people will feel offended. and not writing about person X doesnt change meaning of that post(you dont have to mention person X to express your feelings). do you still write about person X or you are mature and want to avoid spreading hate and flame war?.

Wher did you read these things?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvZWw-ygSPQ/ here

 

[plushyfan]

Eteri shouldnt write about Medvedeva, Eteri is public person and she is more responsible for her words than you and me, because her words are listen by fans and media. After wc2019 Medo fans were happy and Zagi fans were happy, but no Eteri couldnt resist and wrote how much Medo hurt her. Is that normal after one year? no. writing about parents ok but why about Zhenya?

Eteri knew how people will react. so yeah she is guilty of that. if she didnt mention Zhenya we wouldnt even talk about that post. It was childish(pushing people's buttons) and since when adult person talk about private life on instagram. o tempora, o mores.

ps. and yes Eteri is a great coach but not great person.
ps2. those who said Eteri didnt write about Zhenya. from Eteri post "Next is the strange departure of my students, one of whom I set as an example for everyone" the answer is who is Evgenia Medvedeva. i liked jeopardy

Wher did you read these things?

 

[Fluture]

I have not doubt that there was a disagreement between the two about Zhenya's future goals. IMO it was not without warning. That said, I still wish the exit went differently for everyone's sake.

Honestly, Eteri literally said there were ”accusations“ in her post. Zhenya has mentioned as well that she did have reasons but they‘re private. It‘s ridiculous to even suggest Eteri knew nothing about this and only heard it from the media. Nah, we saw that there literally was some disagreement already immediately after the FS at OG. Eteri should have at least guessed. And there were lots of things going on behind the scenes as well, we saw Tutberidze‘s official group delete Zhenya‘s pictures some time before the official announcement. I‘m sure it hurt Eteri when Zhenya left, they did spend quite a long time together after all. I’m not denying that. But to say it was such a huge surprise and without warning is beyond naive.

I think sometimes things like that happen in life. The split wasn‘t done particularly well (yes, Zhenya could have handled it better too) but in the end, the important thing is to move on or if there is still hurt and confusion, to handle it in private and without talking about it on social media. It’s been one year. It’s possible to move on. Which one of the two has done, considering she doesn‘t see any need to not so subtly mention the other one every so often in social media, trying to make her look like the bad one.

I feel a lot of compassion for Eteri‘s situation and I can understand her pain about her mother and what‘s happened. I’m sorry she has to go through this and it’s admirable how she managed to still do her job and work with her students every day despite of everything that was happening around her. I’m sure her feelings regarding that were genuine. But this doesn‘t mean that this post wasn‘t intentional or that she didn‘t know which reaction parts of it would cause. I think everyone who‘s being honest with themselves can see this.

That‘s all I‘ve got to say on this topic.

 

[plushyfan]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvZWw-ygSPQ/ here

thanks...

 

[Autumn Leaves]

Fluture, of course she suspected. Eteri said that she knew because EM wasn’t returning her calls or replying to her messages. So Eteri never claimed it was a surprise; only that EM didn‘t say anything and she had to learn from the media.

 

[flanker]

again the same, my point is that you can do silly things but you shouldnt. it is about result not intentions(in law even when you have good intentions but result isnt as good as intentions you can go to jail). i will try simpler. lets assume you know when you write about person X in your post some people will feel offended. and not writing about person X doesnt change meaning of that post(you dont have to mention person X to express your feelings). do you still write about person X or you are mature and want to avoid spreading hate and flame war?.

Nyet. Eteri didn't make hateful or even "sadistic" comment. That is all that is needed to be said about her personal responsibility. She is not responsible if some people - on whatever side - interpret (twist) something as bashing/provocation, when it wasn't bashing or provocation and I personally can't see anything like that in her words.

Everybody can feel offended by anything and in our times it is more and more often. But that is not my reponsibility to restrict myself just because of people can distort anything. They are responsible for their own conclusions and feelings. After all, if people should go into such absurd restrictions to their speech just not to give the smallest opportunity to twist something, mankind would lose the ability to communicate soon.

This really comes deeper and deeper into emotional state of arguing, where people speak more from their own sentiments towards somebody than from what really happened and what was really said.

I will just repeat this from one of my previous comments: "Do not deny that there are many people prepared to "consider" any word that is crossing her lips and turn it against her."

 

[skatingfan200]

I have not doubt that there was a disagreement between the two about Zhenya's future goals. IMO it was not without warning. That said, I still wish the exit went differently for everyone's sake.

I agree, Eteri was aware that Zhenya will left her. Rusfed approved the talks with Orser and the Sambo 70 CEO knew it also, only Eteri was the one who heard it first on national TV?

"She said she had the support of the Russian federation".
https://vk.com/doc31506737_470164538?hash=9f2c2178d8ff4a19c9&dl=79a6ae23953aa9a0da

Zhenia was special to her and she left without a warning. How would you feel if someone closed to you decides to cut ties like that and someone else tells you sorry but this person doesn’t want to see you anymore.

Zhenya has also feelings, how would you feel when you are on a vacation and your coach starts a lie over the weekend about you on national tv? (Alina junior). If Zhenya was really special for her and "like a daughter", is it then normal to act like that? No.

 

[VenusHalley]

I have not doubt that there was a disagreement between the two about Zhenya's future goals. IMO it was not without warning. That said, I still wish the exit went differently for everyone's sake.

A video comes to my mind, apparently taken before Olympics in training. Med is trying to jump and falling, is distressed and starts bashing her head on the railing and Eteri's reaction seems to be annoyed and cold...

Given what Alina said about her training through pain, what some Eteri's male skaters said, how Eteri called lots of the students who left "lazy"... and given that when she came to Orser all of sudden we learned about back injury... I guess at one point Eteri's methods stopped working for her and there must have been great inner conflict. She spent so many years with Eteri, she had success, but now she is starving to be able to go through her program, her body, her money maker, is falling apart.

I doubt Eteri did NOT know about evgenia's problems and struggles and there probably were some conflicts. Zhenya just tried to be classy and not talk about it.

Still I hope one day she write "Bring no flowers - a memoir of figure skater" and we learn all the juicy details.

 

[neusw]

#triggered was created for corners of the internet like this.

 

[VenusHalley]

I am also happy to see that Zhenya did her gala without jumping not to mess up her injury more.

She seems to moved forward in her head... compared to last years Olympic gala,where she would jump 3-3-3 on hurting leg just to "prove" something.

 

[flanker]

I agree, Eteri was aware that Zhenya will left her. Rusfed approved the talks with Orser and the Sambo 70 CEO knew it also, only Eteri was the one who heard it first on national TV?

"She said she had the support of the Russian federation".
https://vk.com/doc31506737_470164538?hash=9f2c2178d8ff4a19c9&dl=79a6ae23953aa9a0da


Zhenya has also feelings, how would you feel when you are on a vacation and your coach starts a lie over the weekend about you on national tv? (Alina junior). If Zhenya was really special for her and "like a daughter", is it then normal to act like that? No.

What lies? Zhenyha did not come to Eteri to announce her her intentions? Checked (even Zhenya did not ever say otherwise). Zhenya said "I did everything to win?" Checked. Again, people wonder about the reaction, not about what started all the chain of events.

The only good Eteri is obviously the one who:
- is accepting everything without saying a word to it;
- doesn't express any feelings;
- doesn't celebrate the success of her own students, rather celebrating someone else's students;
- doesn't having a personal favourite from the past unless his name is B. Orser;
- and last but not least the one who does not lead her student, to whom so many people predicted end of a career, to the title of the worlds champion.

 

[skatingfan200]

What lies?

Zhenya has also feelings, how would you feel when you are on a vacation and your coach starts a lie over the weekend about you on national tv? (Alina junior). If Zhenya was really special for her and "like a daughter", is it then normal to act like that? No.

 

[ktfrozen]

It's not a lie. Zhenya said it. But it's not her thing, she has a good heart - probably her mother told it many times and it got to her head. Her mother is the evil one here, the one we don't notice - obsessed with her daughter winning everything again and blaming Eteri for Olympics.

Just my thoughts since last summer.

 

[skatingfan200]

It's not a lie. Zhenya said it. But it's not her thing, she has a good heart - probably her mother told it many times and it got to her head. Her mother is the evil one here, the one we don't notice - obsessed with her daughter winning everything again and blaming Eteri for Olympics.

Just my thoughts since last summer.

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?71644-2018-19-Russian-Ladies-figure-skating&p=2269266&highlight=#post2269266

https://fs-gossips.com/evgenia-medvedeva-im-tired-to-avoid-answering-why-i-didnt-bring-eteri-tutberidze-flowers/

 

[P44]

It's not a lie. Zhenya said it. But it's not her thing, she has a good heart - probably her mother told it many times and it got to her head. Her mother is the evil one here, the one we don't notice - obsessed with her daughter winning everything again and blaming Eteri for Olympics.

Just my thoughts since last summer.

How can you say that ? I don't think you personnaly know Zhenya, her mother, or even Eteri.
Nobody knows who said what this is physically impossible.
(Personaly I think she did but it can't be more than an opinion)