2018-19 U.S. Ladies' figure skating

[concorde]

Novices don't get JGP events. There's a possibility that they could get advanced novice events later in the season. There is this North American series but I haven't been following it closely.

Not always true about Novices not getting JGP assignments. Last year Nicolas Heish (probably butchered the spelling) got a JGP assignment. He had gotten 2nd in Intermediate the year before and had a really good skates at Philly last summer.

Granted the US has more men's slots last year than women's slots this year so that probably played into the selection.

I would have also thought that for the international advance novice selection, USFS would only have looked at the top intermediate ladies from last year. Again, not the case. One of the ladies they selected for the Asian Open did not even make it to Nationals last year as an intermediate. That lady was selected over a lady from the same region who made it to medaled as an Intermediate last year. If you compare those two ladies again this year, they both skated at Broadmoor the finish order was similar. This one I cannot figure out because it makes no sense unless lots of ladies turned down the Asian Open slot.

 

[concorde]

There are limitations on what Novices are allowed to do.

Things have greatly changed in recent years on what skaters can do at the lower levels.

As a Juv, they can now do 1 triple.

For Novices, the only limitation I know of is they cannot do a triple axel. Novices are allowed triple-triples combinations and can do all 5 triples. Most cannot do these so that is why we don't see them.

 

[mskater93]

Yes, but the number of elements is lower than junior

 

[MarinHondas]

Things have greatly changed in recent years on what skaters can do at the lower levels.

As a Juv, they can now do 1 triple.

For Novices, the only limitation I know of is they cannot do a triple axel. Novices are allowed triple-triples combinations and can do all 5 triples. Most cannot do these so that is why we don't see them.

Novice is 30 seconds less and has one less jumping pass. This will cause their score to be lower than juniors.

 

[MarinHondas]

Also, novice is allowed to do triple axel. The rulebook states: All single, double and triple jumps are allowed.

 

[frida80]

Not always true about Novices not getting JGP assignments. Last year Nicolas Heish (probably butchered the spelling) got a JGP assignment. He had gotten 2nd in Intermediate the year before and had a really good skates at Philly last summer.

Granted the US has more men's slots last year than women's slots this year so that probably played into the selection.

I would have also thought that for the international advance novice selection, USFS would only have looked at the top intermediate ladies from last year. Again, not the case. One of the ladies they selected for the Asian Open did not even make it to Nationals last year as an intermediate. That lady was selected over a lady from the same region who made it to medaled as an Intermediate last year. If you compare those two ladies again this year, they both skated at Broadmoor the finish order was similar. This one I cannot figure out because it makes no sense unless lots of ladies turned down the Asian Open slot.

I highly doubt any girl would ever turn down a first time International assignment. That when they get the jacket, the biggest status symbol for any developing skater. All kids go nuts for it. The reason she’s going is because her summer scores are so high. If you look on this website, you can see the top ten scores in each level.

https://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/top-ten/

 

[concorde]

Also, novice is allowed to do triple axel. The rulebook states: All single, double and triple jumps are allowed.

Two years ago only Seniors could do triple axels.
Seriously, if you can do a triple axel, why would you be competing as a Novice? I can kinda see Junior but not Novice. It is not like any of those domestically have lower age linits.

I know that next year, the time limit for Novice gets bumped up to that of Juniors. That is part of the realigned competition track.

 

[concorde]

I highly doubt any girl would ever turn down a first time International assignment. That when they get the jacket, the biggest status symbol for any developing skater. All kids go nuts for it. The reason she’s going is because her summer scores are so high. If you look on this website, you can see the top ten scores in each level.

https://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/top-ten/

Still does not make sense since Alena's scores are higher both at Sectionals last season and Broadmoor this year.

The girl they are sending does not have one of the top 10 Novice scores for the season. If she had one of those top 10, it would make more sense.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Two years ago only Seniors could do triple axels.
Seriously, if you can do a triple axel, why would you be competing as a Novice? I can kinda see Junior but not Novice. It is not like any of those domestically have lower age linits.

I know that next year, the time limit for Novice gets bumped up to that of Juniors. That is part of the realigned competition track.

Alysa can do a triple axel. She also can't compete internationally as a junior.
I think all the age limits should bumped down a bit -- it's absolutely absurd to allow 13 year olds to skate in juvenile with an upper limit of one triple.

 

[frida80]

Still does not make sense since Alena's scores are higher both at Sectionals last season and Broadmoor this year.

The girl they are sending does not have one of the top 10 Novice scores for the season. If she had one of those top 10, it would make more sense.

AH your talking about Slavicek. Try as I might, I can’t find much information about her. You’re right, it’s would make sense if she had done well at nations or was doing well during the summer. But I have no idea why she was chosen over Alyssa Chan. There is a developmental program going on right now. Perhaps she meet some background requirements.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

PB for combined total is 100.67 according to Stats on Ice

 

[frida80]

PB for combined total is 100.67 according to Stats on Ice

I meant for this season in terms of competing. There’s nothing online so far. Maybe she competed and the results haven’t be published yet.

 

[MarinHondas]

Since we are discussing younger skaters, I wanted to throw out Alena Budko. She received 140+ total at Glacier, which is higher than Kate Wang's total by 6 points. The only more recent video on YT of her skating is from nationals. She seems very young and is a very expressive skater. Good skating skills and knee bend and last nats had through 3lutz. Not sure what she has now.

 

[andromache]

Alysa can do a triple axel. She also can't compete internationally as a junior.
I think all the age limits should bumped down a bit -- it's absolutely absurd to allow 13 year olds to skate in juvenile with an upper limit of one triple.

I'm inclined to agree, but I suppose they want to foster the skating of kids/teens who are competing as a hobby, and not just kids/teens who will potentially compete internationally one day. Which isn't a bad thing, for the kids competing and for $$$ reasons (if a lot less kids are able to compete due to age restrictions, that's really bad $$$-wise). But I do wonder if it decreases the level of competition that could instead be fostering "potential international JGP/GP competitor" talent.

 

[concorde]

Since we are discussing younger skaters, I wanted to throw out Alena Budko. She received 140+ total at Glacier, which is higher than Kate Wang's total by 6 points. The only more recent video on YT of her skating is from nationals. She seems very young and is a very expressive skater. Good skating skills and knee bend and last nats had through 3lutz. Not sure what she has now.

Alena is the girl who outscored Ellen at both Sectionals and Broadmoor. I still cannot figure out why it is Alena is not going to the Asian Open. To top it off. Alena skated in the International Skate Milwaukee event and got 2nd of the US ladies.

 

[Seren]

Alena is the girl who outscored Ellen at both Sectionals and Broadmoor. I still cannot figure out why it is Alena is not going to the Asian Open. To top it off. Alena skated in the International Skate Milwaukee event and got 2nd of the US ladies.

Alena skates at a nearby rink and I have seen her skate live several times. She is very expressive and very focused.

On another note, I think USFS is still trying to work out their various changes. Their goal is to foster more competitive young skaters- their strategy giving out assignments may be to spread them around and give multiple skaters a chance to test the waters.

 

[frida80]

Alena is the girl who outscored Ellen at both Sectionals and Broadmoor. I still cannot figure out why it is Alena is not going to the Asian Open. To top it off. Alena skated in the International Skate Milwaukee event and got 2nd of the US ladies.

If she just got second at Skate Milwaukee, maybe that’s why she’s not going to Asian Open. That was considered an international competition for novices. Apparently several top scoring novices were sent. Maybe they’ll send her to Ontario in a few weeks.

 

[chuckm]

Great news: Kate Wang is scheduled for the NACS event in York, Canada August 16-19th. Also going: Indi Cha, Arianna Concepcion, Samantha Liker, Courtney Phillips, Emily Zhang

 

[frida80]

If she just got second at Skate Milwaukee, maybe that’s why she’s not going to Asian Open. That was considered an international competition for novices. Apparently several top scoring novices were sent. Maybe they’ll send her to Ontario in a few weeks.

Never mind. Maybe they have some fall events planned. I know they are itching to send Alysa again. Maybe she’ll be include with that team.

 

[Tavi...]

Poster Omilona on FSU is reporting that Gracie is at “Liberty,” and is landing “most of what she tried.” She said Gracie told her she’s “a work in progress.” I asked her if this means Gracie is going to compete in the international portion of the comp, and will post if she responds.

Sylvia on FSU is trying to get a list of people competing in the international competition, as it’s not posted yet.

FYI, Pro-Event Photo is streaming the event and is offering a 15% discount if you purchase by tomorrow night.