Indi got 6th of the US ladies at Skate Milwaukee and she is going to the Asian Open. My guess is Indi got that spot based on finished 1st at Intermediate National last year.
I'm telling you how Ellen got that spot is a big mystery.
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Indi got 6th of the US ladies at Skate Milwaukee and she is going to the Asian Open. My guess is Indi got that spot based on finished 1st at Intermediate National last year.
I'm telling you how Ellen got that spot is a big mystery.
It really is. I normally can pick out a competition that would've impressed monitors. Now, I can't see anything that would make them send her over other higher scoring ladies. There has to be some transparent reason she was chosen. Otherwise it would undermine the developmental program.
If you can figure it out, please post it here.
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US novices are popular right now! I’m excited for the next wave of ladies but I’m more interested in their mental capabilities. Can they go out and be consistent? A 3A or a solid 3-3 don’t mean nothin’ when u constantly choke! And that’s what the US ladies usually do. Talent isn’t the problem.
A concerning issue with alot of the top Novice ladies is they are tiny in statue, like 4 ft 6 inches and under. Given that most skaters are closer to 5 ft, that means alot of growth is ahead. Growth and skating are not best friends.
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I think Bradie has been a big inspiration to skaters and coaches alike. She may not have had the best programs last season but, the young woman was a rock mentally. She proved that consistency is the key for our Ladies.
I have a question if anyone can answer. Why is it the girls who skated intermediate last season and moved up to novice this season who are getting the international assignments for Advanced Novice? There was so much talent in the novice ladies field at nationals last year, most of which now compete junior domestically, like Beverly Zhu, Vetta Ushakova, Emilea Zingas, Christina Lin, Milly Murdock to name a few. So I'm just wondering why they aren't being sent to these competitions? Is it because they should be competing junior internationally and just didn't make the cut for the JGP list? I mean Alysa is better than all of them and she is still competing at that level because of her age. The only girl on the JGP list who competed novice last season was Sarah Jung I believe, who didn't impress me as much as some of the others. I just don't get why Beverly Zhu isn't getting any international assignments, she's an amazing skater IMO, but it might because she was injured and just isn't ready yet.
I have to disagree. At the junior level, at least, the U.S. ladies haven't had the jumps and 2nd half bonus needed to compete--clean or not--over the past couple seasons. If the girls moving up have that, it will make a tremendous difference. At the moment, though, I don't think anyone does except Alysa, who isn't a junior yet. (I think some of the other girls are capable of it, but I haven't seen a jump format to match the JGPF contenders on the JGP yet). On the plus side, looking at the larger competitive picture over the course of 2 seasons, among the young U.S. ladies currently making their first statement at the national senior level (Alysa, Pooja, Ting, Hannah), I would only call Hannah inconsistent. I would identify the other three as competitors because they tend to do their best when the pressure is on. Though I do think we can expect an adjustment period for anyone competing at their first JGP.
I think summer scores really do matter. Looking at the top 10 Junior ladies scores at the moment, Sarah is in that echelon. None of the other ladies you mentioned are in that top 10. That being said though, I still don't understand how Ellen got that assignment because she's not even in the top 12 (of scores reported) for the novice ladies.
Beverly Zhu is off the International Selection Pool list so something is up there. (Usually this reflects an injury, country switch, or retirement). She was listed initially so it isn't that USFSA is ignoring her. They don't always name novices to the ISP, and they did for her initially.
Okay yeah I just looked at summer scores and Sarah Jung did do really well, I was basing what I said from nationals and it would seem she improved a lot! But Milly Murdock's summer scores aren't that much lower, she seems to be doing very well this summer, but not getting any international assignments? Also some of the girls I named have not competed yet this summer, so who knows what shape they are in?
I agree with you that there might be more potential in the long run with the novice group, but at this point I think the some of the girls in junior are better overall. I would also agree that Hanna is inconsistent, however when she is on, she is a strong competitor. I feel like if she could gain that consistency she would be the total package! I think Ting is a bit inconsistent too though, seems like she pops or lands sloppily a lot? I really hope they give their best showings at nationals this year, I would love to see some new girls on the senior podium.
I'm not sure who we're defining here as novice & junior. (Since everyone is moving up or competing at different levels nationally, etc). And, of course, there are so many younger ladies sometimes the new stars didn't even make Nationals the year before. I did see the novice & junior events last year. The season before, I thought the novices were very strong. Last year, they moved up to juniors at Nationals, and I still thought those same girls were the ones that were strong. I didn't see the intermediates at Nationals, however, so I don't have an opinion about those girls just moving up into novices now.
I'm basing their levels off of what they are competing this season, according to this https://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/scoretracker/. Some of the girls mentioned as novice would be Indi, Alena, Ellen, and as junior would be Beverly, Sarah, Emilia. I would consider Hanna, Alysa, Ting, Pooja as senior as that is what they are competing domestically this season, regardless that they would be novice/junior internationally. I don't know if that will make what I said previously make more sense?
Yes, that helps make your answer make sense.
In this case, wouldn't know about the comparison because I haven't seen this summer's novices.
As an overall "class," last year's intermediates (now novices) are stronger than last year'' novices ( now juniors). This year's novices were the first class to have received the full benefit of the bonus point system which has pushed them harder to grab those points.
Even a couple of year back, it was a big deal for a Senior lady to have all her triples and/or triple-triples. Now some Novices can do those. It is getting harder and harder to tell the difference in the levels of you only look at the jumps.
The skaters that will be competing internationally tend to start competing later in the season. Since they are just starting to compete this season, they have given us little to discuss.
The novices are now duking it out now for international slots for this upcoming fall season. Since they have been actively competing for a bit so that gives us things to discuss.
Even a couple of year back, it was a big deal for a Senior lady to have all her triples and/or triple-triples. Now some Novices can do those. It is getting harder and harder to tell the difference in the levels of you only look at the jumps.
The skaters that will be competing internationally tend to start competing later in the season. Since they are just starting to compete this season, they have given us little to discuss.
The novices are now duking it out now for international slots for this upcoming fall season. Since they have been actively competing for a bit so that gives us things to discuss.
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Just reporting back that per Sylvia, Gracie is not listed to compete at Philly:
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Per other reports, she’s working on 2L and 2A, so it sounds like she’s making good progress but isn’t quite ready to compete.
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Per other reports, she’s working on 2L and 2A, so it sounds like she’s making good progress but isn’t quite ready to compete.
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Wait. So Gracie is yet to have her triples back? didnt someone (coach in her rink or who i forgot exactly) in twitter said that she already tried 3-3? which one is true then?
Before I get crucified in here, TSL said Gracie is not in shape to compete - does not have her triples. Someone will have to refresh me on the rules- but can you even go to a senior competition like a GP event and just do doubles(?) - I assume something is going to be an invalid element.
It would be tough in the SP -- where you get zero points if you don't do a triple solo jump. A skater would get credit for a 2-2 combo I think and obviously a 2A is fine.
Rostelecom Cup isn't until November, so she still has time.
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The report i saw said she was at 35% on her "3L" I assume loop.
Honestly... I wish she was competing even with doubles. The jumps were never Gracie's problem, competing and managing her own head (a VERY hard thing to do) was her issue. I would rather see her get some competition experience under her legs, even with doubles, than compete for the first time in a long time on the GP. She needs practice and frankly she deserves the chance to practice at a smaller comp.
Honestly... I wish she was competing even with doubles. The jumps were never Gracie's problem, competing and managing her own head (a VERY hard thing to do) was her issue. I would rather see her get some competition experience under her legs, even with doubles, than compete for the first time in a long time on the GP. She needs practice and frankly she deserves the chance to practice at a smaller comp.
