2018-19 U.S. Ladies' figure skating

[cohen-esque]

Senior Ladies SP minimum requirements are 2A, solo triple, 3+2 combination. So realistically, Gracie will need her double axel and two triples back.

But that could be something as easy as 2A, 3T+2T, 3S. I just really doubt she’d have ommitted to doing the GP in advance for her comeback if she didn’t think she could manage two or three types of triples, at the absolute least. We might not be seeing 7-triple skates with the 3Lz+3T, but I’d be pretty surprised if we weren’t seeing her going for 4-5 triple freeskates.

But I’m not sure I agree she should compete at a summer comp even if she doesn’t have any triples competition ready. Jason Brown showed up at Glacier Falls last year with only doubles and, well, I’m not sure it served him well for the rest of the season.

 

[Tavi...]

Wait. So Gracie is yet to have her triples back? didnt someone (coach in her rink or who i forgot exactly) in twitter said that she already tried 3-3? which one is true then?

Really, none of us know. I’ve seen one report saying she’s working on 3-3, another saying she’s still just doing doubles, another saying she’s landing 2A and triples. But we don’t know if these reports are coming from people who see her train every day or from different people who saw her once for 15 minutes. Anyway, it sounds like she’s made a lot of progress but is not yet ready to compete. That makes sense if she’s targeting a return at Rostelecom - it’s still several months off. We’ll just have to wait and see.

 

[skatenewbie]

Really, none of us know. I’ve seen one report saying she’s working on 3-3, another saying she’s still just doing doubles, another saying she’s landing 2A and triples. But we don’t know if these reports are coming from people who see her train every day or from different people who saw her once for 15 minutes. Anyway, it sounds like she’s made a lot of progress but is not yet ready to compete. That makes sense if she’s targeting a return at Rostelecom - it’s still several months off. We’ll just have to wait and see.

hopefully she already have her triples back. well even with just loop sal and toe its okay, look at Polina she can compete without lutz and flip. What weird is how she regressed that fast, by early 2017 she still have complete triples even land 3-3 in nats. But later in shows she only do all doubles. Well its like 2 months after and she had many problems (also not training) so i guess its combination of everything. Wishing best of luck for her comeback~

 

[frida80]

If you can figure it out, please post it here.

I found something. At Broadmoor, she got a massive high score in the SP only portion. It looks like they want to give her an opportunity based on that. She also went to the high performance camp that happened days after. I guess she looked impressive enough there to get a spot at Asian Open.

http://broadmoorskatingclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/2018-IJS-Results-World-Arena.pdf

 

[concorde]

The "locals" that have seen Gracie say she looks amazing right now (physical appearance). But her skating has still needs alot of work.

The comments about her still working to get her 2L and 2A is consistent with what the locals have told me.

 

[concorde]

I found something. At Broadmoor, she got a massive high score in the SP only portion. It looks like they want to give her an opportunity based on that. She also went to the high performance camp that happened days after. I guess she looked impressive enough there to get a spot at Asian Open.

http://broadmoorskatingclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/2018-IJS-Results-World-Arena.pdf

But then she got 7th in the long to finish to finish 3rd overall. Alena B finished 2nd overall.

Still seems like we are missing something to go that outside of the box.

 

[Mrs. P]

Senior Ladies SP minimum requirements are 2A, solo triple, 3+2 combination. So realistically, Gracie will need her double axel and two triples back.

But that could be something as easy as 2A, 3T+2T, 3S. I just really doubt she’d have ommitted to doing the GP in advance for her comeback if she didn’t think she could manage two or three types of triples, at the absolute least. We might not be seeing 7-triple skates with the 3Lz+3T, but I’d be pretty surprised if we weren’t seeing her going for 4-5 triple freeskates.

But I’m not sure I agree she should compete at a summer comp even if she doesn’t have any triples competition ready. Jason Brown showed up at Glacier Falls last year with only doubles and, well, I’m not sure it served him well for the rest of the season.

That isn’t a comparable situation. Jason has done watered down programs during summer comps because he wants to focus on the choreography of the program. He’s done that other seasons too. There were issues with his season last year, sure, but I wouldn’t pin it on Glacier Falls. Other than if you want to say that he got last years FS relatively late last season, which I think was probably one of several issues.

Also lots of other skaters do watered down programs to get used to doing choreography.

To bring it back for Gracie, I think it’s also a matter of whether she feels ready to compete, regardless of the jumps.

 

[frida80]

But then she got 7th in the long to finish to finish 3rd overall. Alena B finished 2nd overall.

Still seems like we are missing something to go that outside of the box.

Altitude at Colorado Springs does that every time to people that aren’t prepared. Ting’s scores jumped 40 points since Broadmoor. My guess is since most of the top novices were already assigned to the NA series, they gave her Asian Open instead.

 

[concorde]

Actually I know that alot of skaters really like jumping at "the Springs." They say they feel alot lighter.

Doing a program there is something entirely different meaning altitude issues kick in.

FWIW. Some rising Novices got both -NA Series (Skate Milwaukee) and Asian Open.

 

[Mrs. P]

Altitude at Colorado Springs does that every time to people that aren’t prepared. Ting’s scores jumped 40 points since Broadmoor. My guess is since most of the top novices were already assigned to the NA series, they gave her Asian Open instead.

Speaking of Ting Cui, she’s listed for now for the JGP #2 in Linz, AUT.

 

[Tavi...]

Regarding Gracie: Mag on FSU, who seems pretty knowledgeable, made some interesting comments in Gracie’s fan thread on the (likely) progression of getting her jumps back. It is apparently something of a two-part process: (1) regaining the muscles / strength to do triple jumps, during which she would start working on doubles to get back the “feel of the ice”; and (2) working on her triples.

If you think about it that way, where Gracie is at right now makes sense. While she probably didn’t “forget” how to do triples in the past 18 months or so (she hasn’t competed since Worlds 2017), if she wasn’t training during that time, she probably did lose a ton of core muscle strength. And building up that strength wouldn’t happen overnight. It seems logical to me, anyway.

If you want to read Mag’s post in full (mods, hope it’s okay to link to FSU), it’s post #111, here:

https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/gracie-gold-cheer-thread.101658/page-4

 

[andromache]

Aside from the jumps, I do hope Gracie is able to regain her great skating skills/speed and spins.

 

[Mrs. P]

Regarding Gracie: Mag on FSU, who seems pretty knowledgeable, made some interesting comments in Gracie’s fan thread on the (likely) progression of getting her jumps back. It is apparently something of a two-part process: (1) regaining the muscles / strength to do triple jumps, during which she would start working on doubles to get back the “feel of the ice”; and (2) working on her triples.

If you think about it that way, where Gracie is at right now makes sense. While she probably didn’t “forget” how to do triples in the past 18 months or so (she hasn’t competed since Worlds 2017), if she wasn’t training during that time, she probably did lose a ton of core muscle strength. And building up that strength wouldn’t happen overnight. It seems logical to me, anyway.

If you want to read Mag’s post in full (mods, hope it’s okay to link to FSU), it’s post #111, here:

https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/gracie-gold-cheer-thread.101658/page-4

She hasn't competed since Nationals 2017, actually (she didn't qualify for the World team). I basically think she hadn't trained actively since then.

Gracie also has a natural jumping talent, so I don't think it would actually take that long for her to regain the triples if she was practicing pretty consistently.

ETA: I'm with you andromache. I miss Gracie's spins! That always kept her in the game even when she wasn't full-blast on the 3-3.

 

[frida80]

Actually I know that alot of skaters really like jumping at "the Springs." They say they feel alot lighter.

Doing a program there is something entirely different meaning altitude issues kick in.

FWIW. Some rising Novices got both -NA Series (Skate Milwaukee) and Asian Open.

Not from what I’ve seen. If they’re feeling light, it’s just light headedness from oxygen deprevation. At both Colorado Springs and Salt Lake City most skaters crash and burn when they deal with the altitude. I know when I when to Mexico, (Altitude 6000 ft.) the altitude was horrible. You’d start off fine and after a short time later you’d be panting for life. For two weeks a nearly passed out during every dance class. Same thing happened with classmates in the gym, running, and playing soccer. Some very embarassing moments for all of us.

Low oxygen saps your body quickly. Which is why skaters are fine with the SP but the FS is a monster. Marin passed out last year after doing her FS. Kaori was a mess, and she’s normally a rock. I remember a skater saying that to prepare for the altitude at SLC, she did her long twice so she could be prepare for the extreme fatigue. Which is why during US Classic, I don’t take the crash and burns too seriously. And I’ve named the monsters MACS (Monsterous Altitude of Colorado Springs) and SLAM (Salt Lake Altitude Monster) respectively.

 

[frida80]

Speaking of Ting Cui, she’s listed for now for the JGP #2 in Linz, AUT.

She’s got a pretty good line up if she wants to medal. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

I forgot when champs camp is. Soon? Maybe Karen and Mariah and Angela are waiting to announce their programs there, after getting feedback?

 

[StitchMonkey]

Karen is competing this weekend in Philadelphia I believe. So we should have more info there.

I am surprised we have not heard more from what Mariah has been skating to at The Ice.

Angela I think has a Michele Kwan choreographed program she has mentioned.

 

[concorde]

Not from what I’ve seen. If they’re feeling light, it’s just light headedness from oxygen deprevation. At both Colorado Springs and Salt Lake City most skaters crash and burn when they deal with the altitude. I know when I when to Mexico, (Altitude 6000 ft.) the altitude was horrible. You’d start off fine and after a short time later you’d be panting for life. For two weeks a nearly passed out during every dance class. Same thing happened with classmates in the gym, running, and playing soccer. Some very embarassing moments for all of us.

Low oxygen saps your body quickly. Which is why skaters are fine with the SP but the FS is a monster. Marin passed out last year after doing her FS. Kaori was a mess, and she’s normally a rock. I remember a skater saying that to prepare for the altitude at SLC, she did her long twice so she could be prepare for the extreme fatigue. Which is why during US Classic, I don’t take the crash and burns too seriously. And I’ve named the monsters MACS (Monsterous Altitude of Colorado Springs) and SLAM (Salt Lake Altitude Monster) respectively.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

Only doing jumps is what skaters like because they feel light. Hence only doing camps (without programs) works well.

Doing actual programs is when the problems arise. I would think doing a long program at altitude would be a nightmare, especially since so many skaters have exercise induced asthma.

 

[frida80]

I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

Only doing jumps is what skaters like because they feel light. Hence only doing camps (without programs) works well.

Doing actual programs is when the problems arise. I would think doing a long program at altitude would be a nightmare, especially since so many skaters have exercise induced asthma.

Sorry. But can say jumping at a high altitude did not feel any lighter. I felt like a ton of bricks.

But yeah, that's why I think they decided to over look her long and give her a shot at Asian Open. I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow.

 

[Ross74]

I forgot when champs camp is. Soon? Maybe Karen and Mariah and Angela are waiting to announce their programs there, after getting feedback?

ACC to the USFS page, Champs Camp is August 18-23, 2018