2018-19 U.S. Ladies' figure skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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It depends all on Vivian. Vivian hasn’t gotten over 100 in some time. Pooja is quite stable in her FS.
Gracie gives me the same impression that she did a couple years ago - I don't really get the feeling from her that she loves skating, a couple years ago her and her sister both competed at Nationals and Carly was a lot like Mariah you could feel that she loved it and my sentiment was at the time Gracie got the talent but Carly got the heart for it. At the end of the day regardless of the technical goods she puts out she still looks miserable out there, I hope the look of misery today was because she knew she doesn't have the technical goods to be competitive right now.
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Would love to see Amber's and Hanna's programs. Hanna seems to have a good skate but a UR call on the 3t on the 3-3 held her score down. Happy for them! I have a feeling Pooja will have a good enough long to get in the top 4. Hannah Miller, I can't say I am certain she will make it. It's a shame.
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Well I hope Gracie doesn’t read this forum, because I can’t imagine how hard that would be especially coming out of a depressive spell.
She did about what I expected her to do. And like I said before she skated, I don’t care if she doubles all her jumps and skates just to get to nationals. Gracie is still one of the biggest names in the sport and so probably sold seats and definitely didn’t hurt the host forum or the ISU any more than whatever nobody would have gone in her place.
She knows she’s at 30-40 percent so hopefully she is ok with her performance and doesn’t throw in the towel yet.
She did about what I expected her to do. And like I said before she skated, I don’t care if she doubles all her jumps and skates just to get to nationals. Gracie is still one of the biggest names in the sport and so probably sold seats and definitely didn’t hurt the host forum or the ISU any more than whatever nobody would have gone in her place.
She knows she’s at 30-40 percent so hopefully she is ok with her performance and doesn’t throw in the towel yet.
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I apologize if this is a repeat of previous posts, I haven't been able to go through all the posts, but, in Gracie's own words:
"I am absolutely overwhelmed with all of your kind words and support. I cannot thank you enough. The only place to go from here is up
"
https://twitter.com/GraceEGold/status/1063538008689991680
“This is six months out of rock bottom, so we’ll just go from there. The goal was just to show up and try to be brave.”
https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/11/16/gracie-gold-rostelecom-cup-short-program/
Gracie does not need to justify taking advantage of ISU rules to anyone. If there are complaints about the ISU rules, lodge them with the ISU. RusFed invited Gracie to Rostelecom, so if there are complaints that she received a GP invitiation, lodge them with the Russian federation.
I salute her bravery in coming back and wish for the best, as she may define that, tomorrow.
"I am absolutely overwhelmed with all of your kind words and support. I cannot thank you enough. The only place to go from here is up
"https://twitter.com/GraceEGold/status/1063538008689991680
“This is six months out of rock bottom, so we’ll just go from there. The goal was just to show up and try to be brave.”
https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/11/16/gracie-gold-rostelecom-cup-short-program/
Gracie does not need to justify taking advantage of ISU rules to anyone. If there are complaints about the ISU rules, lodge them with the ISU. RusFed invited Gracie to Rostelecom, so if there are complaints that she received a GP invitiation, lodge them with the Russian federation.
I salute her bravery in coming back and wish for the best, as she may define that, tomorrow.
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I apologize if this is a repeat of previous posts, I haven't been able to go through all the posts, but, in Gracie's own words:
"I am absolutely overwhelmed with all of your kind words and support. I cannot thank you enough. The only place to go from here is up
https://twitter.com/GraceEGold/status/1063538008689991680
“This is six months out of rock bottom, so we’ll just go from there. The goal was just to show up and try to be brave.”
https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/11/16/gracie-gold-rostelecom-cup-short-program/
Gracie does not need to justify taking advantage of ISU rules to anyone. If there are complaints about the ISU rules, lodge them with the ISU. RusFed invited Gracie to Rostelecom, so if there are complaints that she received a GP invitiation, lodge them with the Russian federation.
I salute her bravery in coming back and wish for the best, as she may define that, tomorrow.
This quote from the NBC article was interesting: "I’ve never gone into a big Grand Prix event where I was so, frankly, not trained.”
Is she training full time? She's been at this for several months now, so I wonder if she's just easing herself back in to her normal training regimen.
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Maybe because in previous year competing she had all her jumps so she simply worked on programs from May-October/November thus being very well trained but this year she had to spend time relearning all her jumps, slowly adding them back into programs once she got them as well. Probably untrained in a program sense.
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I read that as meaning, starting from no training at all she began training six months ago (or whenever she started).As opposed to spending most of the year, other than for vacations and breaks, training.
The entire article gives insights for those who want to learn about Gracie's mindset and how she is approaching this season and this comp.
ETA: MarinHondas expressed it better than I did
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I am a little surprised that she wasn't trained in full swing for her "comeback."
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I think Gracie loves skating itself, but not skate under pressure with lots of spectators around. She always looked relaxed and happy in her exhibitions where the pressure is off.
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I was thinking the same thing - no where to go but up. It is what it is and hopefully she can pick herself up and say well that happened and she woke up to reality and got to work if that is still what she wants.
I think it would be much better for Gracie's confidence to start from Regionals and work her way back up. I'm afraid Nationals in not that long will be a similar ordeal.
Even for Gracie (for anyone), I do not think participating in competitions not being trained is a good idea. Even from the most utilitarian perspective, skating in competitions while untrained is terrible for your PCS...your first outing is always a benchmark for your PCS, and it is hard to have your PCS move much in either direction after that. Even if she skates amazing with seven triples in her next outing (hypothetically), her PCS would be considerably lower than what she would get had she not skated in this event at all. It is also not good for confidence, which is especially dangerous for someone like Gracie.
I think "byes" should work in conjunction with a minimum TES requirement.
Even for Gracie (for anyone), I do not think participating in competitions not being trained is a good idea. Even from the most utilitarian perspective, skating in competitions while untrained is terrible for your PCS...your first outing is always a benchmark for your PCS, and it is hard to have your PCS move much in either direction after that. Even if she skates amazing with seven triples in her next outing (hypothetically), her PCS would be considerably lower than what she would get had she not skated in this event at all. It is also not good for confidence, which is especially dangerous for someone like Gracie.
I think "byes" should work in conjunction with a minimum TES requirement.
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I was at Gracie's practices yesterday and the day before. She looked about the same as we saw her in competition and in the kiss & cry. I wouldn't read too much into it. She looked a bit sheepish in practice, too, like "I know I'm not ready but I'm here," especially since she was mostly doing doubles in the same group as girls throwing down easy triple-triples. Who wouldn't feel a bit out of place? I really liked her short program and it's clear she feels the choreography -- it's fun, contemporary, and she loves it, even if her jumps are not at all there and everything else is also still a work in progress.
In practice, I saw a few triple lutzes, a triple lutz double toe, and many triple salchows (and triple salchow-triple toe). Also many double axels. However, her success rate was low in practice so I'm not surprised she didn't land them in competition. She also tried many triple flips in practice. I don't believe she rotated any, fall or not. So the one in the SP was the first one that I saw.
I agree with whoever keeps saying that it's a process. Honestly I'm a bit surprised at the comments here, especially the ones about her body. Some people seem to be gleeful for any opportunity to put someone down. Well for me, all I saw was something hugely brave and inspirational last night.
In practice, I saw a few triple lutzes, a triple lutz double toe, and many triple salchows (and triple salchow-triple toe). Also many double axels. However, her success rate was low in practice so I'm not surprised she didn't land them in competition. She also tried many triple flips in practice. I don't believe she rotated any, fall or not. So the one in the SP was the first one that I saw.
I agree with whoever keeps saying that it's a process. Honestly I'm a bit surprised at the comments here, especially the ones about her body. Some people seem to be gleeful for any opportunity to put someone down. Well for me, all I saw was something hugely brave and inspirational last night.
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I don't think anyone forced her to compete, and honestly had this happened at Nationals I think it would have been worse for her. Though, I watched her SP on youtube with the Russian commentators' captions translated to English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa3ohiY0-Ys. Kind things were not said, let's put it that way.
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Aw, was hoping they’d be translated on the YT video.
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And that's all great and dandy for her but she is taking away an opportunity that she hasn't earned from another young skater who is at 80-100% and had worked for the right to be there. Both here and nationals. The American Federation should be embarrassed. Not Gracie because I never begrudge anybody taking any opportunity that comes their way, whether they earned it or not, because God knows I would take it too but the Fed should be embarrassed and ashamed that they gave her the opportunity like that to one of the most senior competitions around. And if I was the skater who worked my butt off but missed out on my opportunity at GP or Nationals because another skater who is struggling with doubles got pushed ahead I can't even write on here what I would be feeling.
This is exactly what happened with Ashley at nationals last year. The Federation giving them unearned opportunities because of their names which fosters laziness and a sense of entitlement and a deluded belief that they don't need to work for it. And until it is sorted out they will never catch up to the likes of Russia and Japan and the sport will keep losing athletes as why would they stick around and waste their time and money when they can work their butts off 100% and be passed over for somebody only working at 30%?
