2018 PyeongChang OWG qualification system

[ice coverage]

Don't think this ISU document for 2018 OWG Figure Skating was posted on GS yet:

QUALIFICATION SYSTEM FOR THE XXIII OLYMPIC WINTER GAMES PYEONGCHANG 2018 (approved by the IOC)

http://www.isu.org/media/309682/isu-figure-skating-en.pdf (11 pages)

http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pa...r-of-events/2018/02/olympic-winter-games-2018​

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eta, FWIW, from cursory eyeballing of the 2018 document, I see two differences from the 2014 document:

- Nebelhorn is not mentioned by name in the 2018 document, which refers only to a TBA Senior International Qualification Competition:

... The remaining qualification places (six (6) places each in Men Single Skating and Ladies Single Skating , four (4) places in Pair Skating and five (5) places in Ice Dance) will be filled by the NOCs at a Senior International Qualification Competition designated by the ISU (TBA – Autumn 2017). Only one (1) qualification place per discipline and NOC may be earned. ...​

ETA (on Apr 21):

I see now that the TBA Senior International Qualification Competition is "TBD* by 15 July 2017."​

- The "extra" slots (if any) for the host country would be handled differently for 2018 vs. 2014. For 2018:

... such host country places will only be implemented if there are remaining places from the ten (10) Team event “Additional Athletes Quotas”.
The nominated skaters using the host country places will compete as number 31 in the Men Single Skating /Ladies Single Skating events, pair number 21 in the Pair Skating event or as couple number 25 in the Ice Dance event. ...​

 

[The Finn]

The Team event format is based on a competition consisting of up to ten (10) best national teams from NOCs/ISU Members. In each team one (1) skater from the Men Single Skating event, one (1) skater from the Ladies Single Skating event, one (1) Pair Skating couple and one (1) Ice Dance couple, i.e. a total of six (6) skaters per Team, will compete (hereafter called the Team(s)).

http://static.isu.org/media/309682/isu-figure-skating-en.pdf

It seems that one skater/pair has to do both SP/SD and FS/FD at the olympics team event in 2018.

 

[sk8hrd]

I think that is for teams that don't have a part of a team that has qualified for the the Olympics. On page 9 of the document states:

In principle, the skaters/couples competing in the Free Skating must be the same as those having competed in the Short Program/Short Dance, however each Team has the option to replace up to two (2) entries (two Single Skaters or one Single Skater (Lady or Man) plus one couple (Pair Skating or Ice Dance) or both the Pair Skating and Ice Dance Couples) between the Short Program/Short Dance and the Free Skating/Free Dance provided such qualified skaters/couple is part of the accredited delegation on site of the OWG.

Which is the same as 2014.

 

[The Finn]

So it seems. I can't see why they didn't include that info on pages 3, 4 or 5 where it should have been. I never made it to the page 9 since I assumed all the important info about Team event were on pages 3, 4 and 5.

Anyway, this is better than I thought but countries should have been allowed to replace all skaters after SP/SD.

 

[ice coverage]

BTW: Although not about qualification, I don't think anyone on GS ever got around to posting Hersh's reporting re the very early competition and final practice times for figure skaters in PyeongChang.

~ Figure skaters will be getting early wake-up calls at the 2018 Winter Olympics.

International Skating Union President Ottavio Cinquanta confirmed exclusively to Globetrotting that all competitions will begin at 10 a.m. at the 2018 Pyeongchang, South Korea, Winter Games. Day-of-competition final practice will be earlier in the morning. ...​

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~ ... The change not only involves competition times but the time of the final pre-competition practice, which could start as early as 6 a.m. ...​

From Hersh's articles:

EXCLUSIVE: Figure skating in morning at 2018 Olympics

March 29, 2016
http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...ve-figure-skating-in-morning-at-2018-Olympics​

Wagner, Gold resigned to morning skating at 2018 Olympics

March 30, 2016
http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...-resigned-to-morning-skating-at-2018-olympics​

 

[Winnie_20]

all competitions will begin at 10 a.m.

Wow. I mean... this is terrible. Great for American television, but terrible for Europeans, and probably worse for the skaters. :-(
Unless I'm very mistaken, 10 am in South Korea in February = 2 am western Europe, 1 am UK, 8 pm US east coast and 5 pm US west coast.

And here I was totally counting on the figure skating taking place in the evenings, i.e. European mornings/afternoons. :disagree:

Guess I'll try that nocturnal creature thing again...

edit to add: quote from that exclusive article:

Speaking by telephone from his home in Milan, Italy, Cinquanta said the scheduling change would apply to all the disciplines. He said "the Americans" had requested morning starts.

Now why doesn't that surprise me... :noshake:

 

[sk8hrd]

So it seems. I can't see why they didn't include that info on pages 3, 4 or 5 where it should have been. I never made it to the page 9 since I assumed all the important info about Team event were on pages 3, 4 and 5.

Anyway, this is better than I thought but countries should have been allowed to replace all skaters after SP/SD.

I agree. I don't think its fair when a country has a lot of very strong individual, pair and dance teams such as Canada, the US, and Russia and they have to pick an choose. I remember reading about Adelina being very hurt that she was left off the team, as well I either read/heard that W/P were upset as well having come 4th at 2013 Worlds but being left off the team event. They can give 20+ medals to the hockey teams, why not to the team figure skaters?

 

[KWIPROKWO]

I am very excited about the Team Qualifications!

The process seems complicated at first, but if you take time to read it, it makes sense!

South Korea is qualified no matter what, so only 9 spots are available.
We will have: USA, Canada, Russia, France, China, Japan and Italy in, so we are unsure of only two countries: who will it be? Germany, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Spain, Kazakhstan, UK, Israel or will some other country shock us?

For individual events, Koreans (if they do not qualify) will be added to the list as 21st, 25th or 31st competitors.
I am disappointed but not surprised that only 20 Pairs will compete! 24 in Dance, 30 in Ladies and Men.

 

[Skye]

I am very excited about the Team Qualifications!

The process seems complicated at first, but if you take time to read it, it makes sense!

South Korea is qualified no matter what, so only 9 spots are available.
We will have: USA, Canada, Russia, France, China, Japan and Italy in, so we are unsure of only two countries: who will it be? Germany, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Spain, Kazakhstan, UK, Israel or will some other country shock us?

For individual events, Koreans (if they do not qualify) will be added to the list as 21st, 25th or 31st competitors.
I am disappointed but not surprised that only 20 Pairs will compete! 24 in Dance, 30 in Ladies and Men.

Where did that come from?
If I read the document correctly (on page 6) it says the host country can qualify for the team event only through normal qualification process.
I highly doubt that South Korea would qualify, considering that their disciplines other than ladies are not really competitive at the moment.

I agree that USA, Canada, Russia, Italy, and though to a lesser extent France, China and Japan will be in the team event for sure.
For the remaining 3 spots, I think Czech, Ukraine and Israel have a pretty good chance of qualifying.

 

[KWIPROKWO]

Where did that come from?
If I read the document correctly (on page 6) it says the host country can qualify for the team event only through normal qualification process.
I highly doubt that South Korea would qualify, considering that their disciplines other than ladies are not really competitive at the moment.

I agree that USA, Canada, Russia, Italy, and though to a lesser extent France, China and Japan will be in the team event for sure.
For the remaining 3 spots, I think Czech, Ukraine and Israel have a pretty good chance of qualifying.

My bad. You are right.
I reread what was written on the page six. To recap, South Korea will not automatically get a spot in the Team event.

These “host country place” skaters will only compete in the individual events. It is important to note
that these host country places do not automatically constitute a team for the host country in the
Team event unless the host country qualifies for the Team event through the normal qualification
process as described in D.3.

 

[KWIPROKWO]

I have a question for the Team event, because I am unsure of something.

Alexei Bychenko (Israel) total is 756 points from Europeans but only 339 from Worlds. Daniel Samohin (Israel) gets 500 points from Junior Worlds.


Let's say, these were points from 2017 Worlds, Europeans and Junior Worlds:
Based on this paragraph:
If skaters/couples of a NOC/ISU Member have not obtained qualifying points in the
ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2017, then it is possible to use the ISU
European Figure Skating Championships 2017 respectively the ISU Four
Continents Figure Skating Championships 2017 and if needed the ISU World
Junior Figure Skating Championships 2017.

Based on this paragraph, I presume Israel would only get 339 points in the men category as it takes priority over Europeans and Junior Worlds? Or am I mixing things up?

 

[Skye]

I think you're right.
Furthermore, even if Bychenko had placed outside of top 24 at Worlds, I believe his points from Euros would precede Samohin's points from Junior Worlds.
On the other hand, Czech Republic had no pairs at either Worlds or Euros this year, so if this were the 16/17 season, Duskova & Bidar's points from Junior Worlds should count towards the Team event.