2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Good Vibes Only]

I don't think we should compare between competitions. We don't know what Alexandra would have gotten in France

This^^^

While I get that it is frustrating the the judges are being more picky and giving lower scores which effects seasons bests, people have to remember that there are different judges at each event and the judges don’t all think or see the same things.

 

[colormyworld240]

No, I meant flutz. Her edge has not been outside since 2018. Her edge is always at least ! (flat) but occasionally, (like at Japan Open) it looks e. I can't that it looked e here. just !. But, the technical panel has a different angle.

Can you link to where you think she had an inside edge lutz? I've seem mostly shallow outside edges even last season.

 

[readernick]

This^^^

While I get that it is frustrating the the judges are being more picky and giving lower scores which effects seasons bests, people have to remember that there are different judges at each event and the judges don’t all think or see the same things.

Indeed, I like strict technical panels. They help skaters improve.

 

[katymay]

This^^^

While I get that it is frustrating the the judges are being more picky and giving lower scores which effects seasons bests, people have to remember that there are different judges at each event and the judges don’t all think or see the same things.

If, as I suspect, the ice is soft, (and in fact melting) this GP would have been catastrophic for Trusova. She might not have been able to land a single quad. Most of the skaters today seemed to have difficulty getting sufficient lift.

 

[Seruleane]

Reading the Russian Ladies Thread is sometimes like a constant fan war with all the passive aggressive bickering...

Anyway, I'm very happy for both Aliona and Alina being #1 and 2. I think they both skated quite well but both have areas to improve on. Aliona seemed nervous today, despite landing that BEAUTIFUL triple axel (which IMO was not under-rotated at all), it looked almost too big. However, she seemed a bit frantic at times, like she was rushing against the music, which I think was due to the nerves. She just needs to calm down and realize she is SO good, she is the only one of the 3A that can potentially beat Alina and Evgenia in PCS. Regarding Alina, while I love this program for her, and I love her poise and elegance, her 3loop did look under-rotated, despite her hitting it all the time in practice. So I think they were both nervous, but Alina is just more experienced now in managing her nerves. I hope Alina is enjoying herself now while skating and doesn't worry about coming in 2nd to Aliona. If she cares and wants to stay on top, then, she's gotta up her tech content is basically the message she is getting from the judges. I won't comment on the judging, other than to say that even if they are strict, the Russian ladies we know and love will still win. It's just by what margin. Hoping the ladies bring it for the free.

 

[colormyworld240]

I posted this in the event thread: Has anyone figured out Alina's time violation yet? In the performance, when she lowered her hand on the final pose, it was on the last note of the music, so it doesn't look like she went over it. In morning practice, the announcer said her music time was 2:50. So where did the time violation happen - it should be made to clear to the team because this is an easy fix.

So was her program too long and the announcer got it wrong, or did she start too early (before the music)? Because it looks like she ended on the music.

 

[Mishaminion]

It's been said in the thread her time in the competition was 2:52 but I don't know how that was arrived at.

 

[colormyworld240]

It's been said in the thread her time in the competition was 2:52 but I don't know how that was arrived at.

But her music time was announced as 2:50 by the announcer at the event. So for her competition program to have been 2:52, she would've had to end 2 seconds after the music, or start 2 second before the music. It looks like she ended on the music, so I'm confused.

 

[Mishaminion]

But her music time was announced as 2:50 by the announcer at the event. So for her competition program to have been 2:52, she would've had to end 2 seconds after the music, or start 2 second before the music. It looks like she ended on the music, so I'm confused.

Either she did not or she began too soon

I don't know.

It seems that article is saying she made movements after her final pose that were taken as part of her program, which is fair enough I suppose if that's what it looked like to the judges we cant really blame them

 

[flanker]

All these little dings and picks are a good thing for both girls. Neither is in any danger of losing this competition, and both will fix the dings, 'e's, !'s, moving the hand after the final beat and so on. Compete and learn, and nothing is at stake here. Alina and Alyona will be 1-2 and they will return home the wiser. The 3A? I dunno. My vantage point it looked clean. (with a slight neg GOE for the landing)

All these weird decisions ("e" instead of "!", time violation because of hand movement) cost Alina some four points. That can be very decisive in such competition so it's not like that means nothing bad.

 

[NAOTMAA]

All these weird decisions ("e" instead of "!", time violation because of hand movement cost Alina) some four points. That can be very decisive in such competition so it's not like that means nothing bad.

Not just decisive for this competition but also for making the GPF. If it comes to tie breakers four points can make the difference between going to Turin or staying home till nationals.

 

[flanker]

No, I meant flutz. Her edge has not been outside since 2018. Her edge is always at least ! (flat) but occasionally, (like at Japan Open) it looks e. I can't that it looked e here. just !. But, the technical panel has a different angle.

So, basically you are protesting when someone shares the opinion that this wasn't "e", but you yourself claim with certainty and without anything supporting that in other competitions she is always "!" or "e". OK.

 

[Mathman]

But her music time was announced as 2:50 by the announcer at the event. So for her competition program to have been 2:52, she would've had to end 2 seconds after the music, or start 2 second before the music.

Either she did not or she began too soon.

Why take a chance? Trim your program down by a second or two. That way if you raise your hand too soon at the beginning or drop it too late at the end, or if the time-keeper is off a tad, you are not daring fate.

Michelle Kwan made the same mistake in her 2004 short program. Her music was exactly 2 minutes and forty seconds long -- maybe 2 minutes and forty-and-a-half. The music died down to a whisper at the end, so technically it was still playing during her final movements. But the impression in a noisy arena was that she went over her music, and she got a deduction which cost her not just a point but a placement at 2004 Worlds.

Her fans complained afterward, but the ISU didn't go back and give her any more points. (Seems like they would if fans complaied loully enough, but the ISU is funny that way.)

 

[readernick]

So, basically you are protesting when someone shares the opinion that this wasn't "e", but you yourself claim with certainty and without anything supporting that in other competitions she is always "!" or "e". OK.

I'm not protesting that it might not be e. I said it didn't look e to me in this competition. Perhaps, read before commenting? I am just stating she doesn't have an outside edge. It usually looks ! and in this competition I thought it was also ! but occasionally it looks like a change of edge right right before take off and perhaps that is what the technical label saw..I don't have their camera angles.

 

[Thrashergurl]

Alina always had issues with her lutz but it wasn’t called. Last season she really struggled and there were many discussions about her scores being too high for what she was putting in the ice. I’m not surprised to see judges starting to ding her. That said, there’s no way her PCS should be anywhere near Aliona. I don’t care how big a fan anyone is of Alina—her overall skating is no where near the quality of Aliona.
I wouldn’t be worried about the points deducted as much as they’re continuing to give outrageous scores to Alina. The LP will be interesting and very telling. My guess is Alina wins no matter what.

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I remember the incident with Michelle Kwan. I wonder if that was some kind of a judging conspiracy also?

 

[flanker]

I'm not protesting that it might not be e. I said it didn't look e to me in this competition. Perhaps, read before commenting? I am just stating she doesn't have an outside edge. It usually looks ! and in this competition I thought it was also ! but occasionally it looks like a change of edge right right before take off and perhaps that is what the technical label saw..I don't have their camera angles.

It is actually you who reads wrong. I was not referring to this competition but to your claims about Alina's alleged troubles with the edge on Lz during last season, for such claims you probably do have "their camera angles, right? I don't think you have. Yet you are claiming that without anything that would anyhow support it. And here you have problems when somebody claims the edge today wasn't even ! . That's double standard.

 

[Pantsu]

Mariah's Lz
https://ibb.co/3hP5f9n
https://dump.video/i/5ZqdiF.mp4
Strict panel, no call, seems legit

 

[flanker]

Mariah's Lz
https://ibb.co/3hP5f9n
https://dump.video/i/5ZqdiF.mp4
Strict panel, no call, seems legit

If Alina received "e", this is "!" at least.

 

[lusterfan]

Mariah's Lz
https://ibb.co/3hP5f9n
https://dump.video/i/5ZqdiF.mp4
Strict panel, no call, seems legit

Not trying to defend Mariah, but I believe judges only go back and review jumps if they know something usually goes wrong with a skater's jump, or if they have some weird anomaly. In this case, Alina had a weird +3Lo and sloppy landing, creating more scrutiny. For some other skaters with jumps that look okay to the naked eye, there's simply not enough time to go back and review everything.

I'm not against strict panels, but they should be universally applied. If those are the rules, then apply them by all means, but not applying them to certain skaters cancels out the purpose of the rule!

still mad about Kostornaia's phantom UR call

 

[colormyworld240]

Either she did not or she began too soon

I don't know.

It seems that article is saying she made movements after her final pose that were taken as part of her program, which is fair enough I suppose if that's what it looked like to the judges we cant really blame them

But the final hand movement (dropping of her hand) was when the music was still playing. That's why I don't understand.