It's ok. That rumor has spread like wildfire. Thanks for the info. Karen's combo does look cleaner, but still has a small hook.
2019-20 U.S. Ladies Figure Skating
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It's ok. That rumor has spread like wildfire. Thanks for the info. Karen's combo does look cleaner, but still has a small hook.
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I have seen Alysa’s program and I have seen her protocol. There are a lot of things on that protocol that in my personal opinion don’t match with the reality of what I saw. But leaving that aside, there is no way to get around the fact that she jumped two 4Z, two 3A, and two 3Z - meaning she zayaked and should have been dinged for it - but she wasn’t.
As to the rest of your comment, I’m glad if you’re enjoying the beginnings of the new season, but I generally don’t like being told that there’s a right way to experience or think about things and that my way is wrong.
i prefer Alysa's programs last year at Nationals ..
that been said, I don't like Satoko's programs last years at debut, but she developed them so well:luv17:, they became my fav programs of least season:luv17:
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that been said, don't like the idea to throw everyone at Lori and all of sudden, s/he will become a "mature" skater
that been said, I don't like Satoko's programs last years at debut, but she developed them so well:luv17:, they became my fav programs of least season:luv17:
:.that been said, don't like the idea to throw everyone at Lori and all of sudden, s/he will become a "mature" skater
There was an article prenationals that mentioned that she has a hip injury. People started saying she had surgery from there. It's been very annoying.
Approximately 5 months ago a 13 year old landed 3 triple axels at US Nationals. So in 5 months the same 13 year old is putting out strong attempts of 2 Quad Lutzes in addition to the triple axels at her first competition program of the season. Of course there is improvement needed in all components, duh, she’s 13.... and she just upped her tech efforts and potential by a huge margin. Learning the skills technically and artistically takes time and putting it together takes time, and they hire the one common denominator in building many of the greatest artists of skating over the last 20 years, Lori Nichol. Kudos to Alysa and her coach for really going for it. Pick pick pick away but while doing so ask yourself why it’s so important to you to find the negative before the seed has even had time to sprout. Ask yourself what good it does you, what good it does a sweet excited 13 year old, what good it does to the hearts of lovers of skating.
i think the issue is not that everyone's upset she didn't nail those 4lzes and 3as perfectly in june, it's that she's attempting these very difficult and potentially career ending jumps with little regards to her health. and i really doubt that it's alysa who is pushing to put in all these quads. this is dangerous stuff and we're talking about a 13 year old girl. people are allowed to be concerned
I never said people were upset she didn’t nail the jumps. The lists I read were about skating skills etc. How do you know she’s attempting quads with as you said “little regards to her health?” Do you have insider information about the warm up, the process of quads training on ice, the stuff off ice?
She has the very rare ability to do quads at 13. Why assume her team doesn’t know how to train her? Podium will be all russian and Japanese for awhile. And here’s a happy talented kid from US with sights on seriously competing with them. Again I say, bravo Alysa.
She has the very rare ability to do quads at 13. Why assume her team doesn’t know how to train her? Podium will be all russian and Japanese for awhile. And here’s a happy talented kid from US with sights on seriously competing with them. Again I say, bravo Alysa.
No one is really upset about the underrotations. And I assure you, people are very concerned about injuries. However, I’m sure that after last season they’ve monitored her closely to see how to minimize injury. I also like her going slowly into her jumps until she gets used to them, as it seems to reduce falls and improve consistency. She’s also training with a quad specialist at the Cricket Club.
I’m less worried about her and far more worried about at least a dozen other skaters that knowingly skated with injuries Internationally from multiple different feds.
SO.MANY.SKATERS!!!!!
I’ve post multiple times about the importance of mitigating injuries. I still cannot get over the horrible referees at Golden Spin after Ashley’s obvious concussion! Come ISU, do your jobs and start protecting skaters! Ugh!!
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I think her team was just focused on getting the 4Lz because Alysa said her training mainly consisted of jumping the 4Lz on the harness. I think they probably tried an “easier” quad like the 4S, but she said it was really hard to land. They’re using the same approach they did for the 3A: learn the jump, add it in the program, develop it in competitions, then work on programs and transitions.
Some trivia:
- Alysa said she mainly trains the 4Lz on a harness, so she probably only goes for the 4Lz off-harness occasionally and during competitions (article on Sports Illustrated)
- Alysa said her main goal was to improve her skating skills and spins AFTER getting the quad (Nationals, articles, etc.)
- Two more months until Alysa’s first big competition where we can gauge the improvements
- When learning big jumps, the first things to go are probably spins, so I’m sure they’ll refocus on that
I’m glad people are voicing their concerns about her health because they are valid. However, please refrain from being too negative because Alysa does sometimes go on social media a little too much and sees everything.
People said the same about Nathan. Instead it was Jason, Max, Mirai, Polina, Adam, Denis, Karen, & Hanyu who faced serious injuries over the next several seasons. Anna and Kaetlyn had broken legs, yet they were back out there on the ice trying their hardest stuff. It's Ting who is apparently injured now. Is injury a very real hazard in this sport? Yes. But I don't think we're in a position to say who has regard for an athlete's health based on the jumps they are attempting. Quite often learning and mastering a skill while athletes are young is a good time to do it. Trying to do so later, after one's body is not so quick to heal, can be harder on it. We have every reason to believe that Alysa is driven to learn these jumps. Look at her role models. She loves the Russian ladies with their big jumps. So here she goes, whether we are ready or not.
Will she lose them before she's a senior? She could absolutely lose them. As I've said about Trusova as well. I don't have huge expectations. We've had one senior lady land a quadruple jump in competition thus far. One. And very few ladies remain Tursynbaeva's size three years into their senior career. Ladies grow, and many do lose the ability to rotate their jumps. (Even the amazing Mao Asada struggled with this challenge most of her life). It happens to a vast number of athletes. But Alysa probably has a better shot at mastering & keeping these jumps than someone who doesn't have them at all.
Will she lose them before she's a senior? She could absolutely lose them. As I've said about Trusova as well. I don't have huge expectations. We've had one senior lady land a quadruple jump in competition thus far. One. And very few ladies remain Tursynbaeva's size three years into their senior career. Ladies grow, and many do lose the ability to rotate their jumps. (Even the amazing Mao Asada struggled with this challenge most of her life). It happens to a vast number of athletes. But Alysa probably has a better shot at mastering & keeping these jumps than someone who doesn't have them at all.
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People are just very worried. I remember the HUGE storm Alexandra caused when she started jumping quads and falling left and right at the tender age of 13/14. I will never forget reading about how Anna broke her leg, could not walk, and then came back jumping the 4Lz. There are SO MANY variables and avenues one has to consider that it’s impossible to tell how Alysa will fare. Sometimes, though, drive and true grit are all one needs to succeed sprinkled with some insane innate talent.
I think it's reasonable to be concerned about a skater taking on too much, too soon. I mean even Eteri's girls aren't doing a program with both quads and 3As, at least not yet -- and they're a few years older.
I also don't think the fact that Jason, Karen, Adam and a number of other skaters who got injuried should invalidate that concern. The fact Nathan has managed, for the most part, avoid injury in recent years, also don't mean that a skater like Alysa is in the clear. There are different scenarios fo each skater.
The fact she has had multiple hip injuries at such a young age IS concerning -- while that's not as bad as multiple surgeries (which seems to be a mistaken hyperlink on the part of an article I read) -- it's still something to monitor and be concerned about.
I hope she does manage to reach her goals without major injuries, but I think it's reasonable to express skepticism and concern at this time and to question whether this approach is in the best interest of her health and body. And I think it's also reasonable to wonder if the short-term payoff is worth the potential losses -- including the quad jumps and health risks -- she potentially could get later.
I also don't think the fact that Jason, Karen, Adam and a number of other skaters who got injuried should invalidate that concern. The fact Nathan has managed, for the most part, avoid injury in recent years, also don't mean that a skater like Alysa is in the clear. There are different scenarios fo each skater.
The fact she has had multiple hip injuries at such a young age IS concerning -- while that's not as bad as multiple surgeries (which seems to be a mistaken hyperlink on the part of an article I read) -- it's still something to monitor and be concerned about.
I hope she does manage to reach her goals without major injuries, but I think it's reasonable to express skepticism and concern at this time and to question whether this approach is in the best interest of her health and body. And I think it's also reasonable to wonder if the short-term payoff is worth the potential losses -- including the quad jumps and health risks -- she potentially could get later.
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News and Updates:
- Pooja is now attempting the 3F-3T and still has trouble with her 3Lz
- Ting Cui will be participating in the Peggy Flemming competition
- Sarah Jung (known for her 3A-Eu-3S) received 65.59 for her TES
- Hanna Harrell received 66.07 for her TES with no words on a quad or 3A attempt
- Alyssa Rich successfully executed a 3T-3T
- Protocols for Hanna Harrell and Sarah Jung coming tomorrow
- Pooja is now attempting the 3F-3T and still has trouble with her 3Lz
- Ting Cui will be participating in the Peggy Flemming competition
- Sarah Jung (known for her 3A-Eu-3S) received 65.59 for her TES
- Hanna Harrell received 66.07 for her TES with no words on a quad or 3A attempt
- Alyssa Rich successfully executed a 3T-3T
- Protocols for Hanna Harrell and Sarah Jung coming tomorrow
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"Instead"??? Nathan did have a serious injury of his own.
:agree: I too was impressed by Karen's Insta Lives. She showed maturity, honesty, humor, self-deprecation, and more. She was very informative and encouraging to skaters who asked her about technique, training, nerves, etc.
And I think it was a pleasant surprise to Karen herself that she really enjoyed answering the large volume of all kinds of questions. The first time she thought she was going to spend just ten minutes, but she ended up staying for a full hour. And doing another full hour the next day.
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Amber’s 3F-3T from her Short today:
https://instagram.com/amberglenniceskater?igshid=e3x52s6fge3u
Amber seems to have really found her confidence in this Short... please translate this newfound consistency in her Short to her Long.
https://instagram.com/amberglenniceskater?igshid=e3x52s6fge3u
Amber seems to have really found her confidence in this Short... please translate this newfound consistency in her Short to her Long.
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She got fast reaction and immediately put that 3T even though her 3Lz landing is a bit shaky, nice! It looks rotated to me but idk in slow mo.
i also just saw Vincent post Gracie landing 2A-Eu-3S and its not bad, a bit shaky but its said to be her first combo/seq after a long time! So excited
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Lots of content... hoping to see some protocols for the girls who competed today soon 
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I don't know why people are complaining about Alysa jumping quads and triple axles. Girl is brave. She is an athlete. She wants to win, she doesn't want second. If you have Russians who are doing quads, she needs them quads to win too. It's a sport, there will be injuries. If it is dangerous, I would expect the ISU to ban quads already. We aren't in the skater's shoes, so people just need to shut up and give this girl so props. Coming out and landing all those hard jumps and especially with the attitude. Go Alysa..... Win them all...
You can be proud of Alysa and impressed with her AND be concerned about her health and her future at the same time, which is what previous posters are doing.
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What does the Peggy Flemming competition entail?
Any videos of Pooja? I know she struggled a lot, but she got programs from some of my favorite choreographers.. and she’s a beautiful skater:luv17: .
I can’t wait for protocols!!
