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Possibly. But that phony gif that is making the rounds doesn't show it.
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2019-20 U.S. Ladies Figure Skating
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Possibly. But that phony gif that is making the rounds doesn't show it.
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In what way is it “phony” ?
It wasn’t a near forward landing. She literally was only 95-100° under. I have no idea why people keep spreading this lie.
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Thus far, with two events in, here are the results of the U.S. Junior ladies with many more to come:
1. Alysa Liu, 208.10
2. Hanna Harrell, 160.50
3. Emilia Murdock, 148.95
4. Jessica Lin, 148.35
5. Calista Choi, 148.19
Of the five ladies, only Hanna and Alysa have two assignments (alongside Gabriella Izzo who will compete this week). With Izzo and Isabelle Inthisone competing this week, things will change up a bit. I have my eyes set on Kate Wang and Sarah Jung. Both are up and coming talents who, with the right training and opportunities, could truly become formidable forces in the near future.
Also, next year will be even more exciting as Isabeau Levito will be eligible for the Junior Grand Prix. She's a little firecracker and an immense talent.
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In the frame where the video pauses, inviting us to scream, "Look, she's 180 degrees off!!!!!!!," it is not clear whether she is on the ice yet. It just shows a skate against a featureless white background. She could still be a tiny bit in the air, whirling at a rate of, what? 1500 degrees per second or so? As far as i can tell (my eyes are just not quick enough, even in slow motion, to make a judgement) in the very next frame she appears to be only a touch more that 90 degrees short?
Plus, the gif is not very convincing (in my opinion) about the pre-rotation on the take-off, either.
Maybe "phony" is too strong a word, but fans who make these videos have an agenda. What is phony is the accompanying declaration -- "See, it is OBVIOUS unless you are BLIND that ..." It is not obvious at all: some people see one thing, some another.
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...………….I love this site. Thank you so much.
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What has become of the sport I love?
Sketchy videos intended to cast shade and undermine a child barely in her teens. Death threats. Coordinated attacks on internet videos.
I love the sport, but man, some of the fans are the worst. Scum of the earth.
Heck, even during the Cold War, fans weren't this uncivil to opposing camps.
Sketchy videos intended to cast shade and undermine a child barely in her teens. Death threats. Coordinated attacks on internet videos.
I love the sport, but man, some of the fans are the worst. Scum of the earth.
Heck, even during the Cold War, fans weren't this uncivil to opposing camps.
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Regardless of what the "fans" think, over 400K people have seen the video of Alysa's 4Lz and have applauded it. None of us have the power to change the protocols and people have to realize that if a jump looks rotated in realtime, then the flag does not go up for re-evaluation. I agree that the 4Lz was slightly under-rotated, but because it looked rotated in realtime, the judges did not bother to check it.
This has been the rule for so long that I am shocked when people forget it. Also, the videos are literally slowed down to less than 0.25 seconds and considerable work was put into deducing every single possible rotation... the judges don't have time for that. If the judges had 10-20 minutes of evaluation time, SO many people who have won gold, silver, bronze, etc... would have their medals revoked because one or two edge errors and under-rotations are all that is needed to change placements in a sport such as figure skating.
We cannot blame the players for simply playing the game. Criticize the judges, not the skater. Alysa attempted a 4Lz, the I.S.U. ratified it... and people trash talk on HER? Come on people, blame the game, not the player. Also, people were LIVING for Alysa back when she was only a threat domestically... oh how the tables change once someone becomes even just the slightest threat.
This has been the rule for so long that I am shocked when people forget it. Also, the videos are literally slowed down to less than 0.25 seconds and considerable work was put into deducing every single possible rotation... the judges don't have time for that. If the judges had 10-20 minutes of evaluation time, SO many people who have won gold, silver, bronze, etc... would have their medals revoked because one or two edge errors and under-rotations are all that is needed to change placements in a sport such as figure skating.
We cannot blame the players for simply playing the game. Criticize the judges, not the skater. Alysa attempted a 4Lz, the I.S.U. ratified it... and people trash talk on HER? Come on people, blame the game, not the player. Also, people were LIVING for Alysa back when she was only a threat domestically... oh how the tables change once someone becomes even just the slightest threat.
Yet not into slowing down everyone's every jump to less than 0.25 seconds.
Yes, there is an agenda. To force the judges to demand replays of this one athlete's jumps rather than everyone's.
You know what else happens when you do this? You rally fan support around the athlete you are attacking. And you know what happens when judges tell an athlete like Alysa or Nathan that what they are now doing is not good enough? They up the ante & get better.
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I don’t care much about replays either but this seems like a no brainer here. A quad jump is a huge advantage and I think big elements that make a big impact on scoring should face a bit more scrutiny than than rest... just saying I’m not gonna bother to check that is very disheartening to read even if it’s just a hypothetical projection.
I also hated carrot mania the last couple of seasons but I think the bar should be set high for quads. To each their own I guess.
As to this jump.... meh. It could go either way but it deserved a second look.
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i’m gonna go with Hanna as the clear #2 junior lady. jgp france was just an altitude problem for her. i’m sure she is practicing on her stamina. also with her consistency and beautiful jumps, i would have her as the clear #2.
Has this been posted?
Members of Team USA talk about their Junior Grand Prix Lake Placid performances
http://figureskatersonline.com/news...eir-junior-grand-prix-lake-placid-experience/
Members of Team USA talk about their Junior Grand Prix Lake Placid performances
http://figureskatersonline.com/news...eir-junior-grand-prix-lake-placid-experience/
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It’s impressive for the ones who managed to skate clean programs despite the altitude issue. Kinda reminds me when Mirai complained about cold showers being a factor in her performance at Pyeong Chang. I suppose anything can be a factor.
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Well said. I know from your postings that you are like me. We've been fans of the sport for a long time. My friend and jousting partner El Henry is another of us.
In my time as a fan, I've seen some wonderkids grow into legitimate superstars, and I've seen others fade. I've seen tremendous performances by underdogs, and splatfests by Olympic medal favorites. I've seen my favorite skaters of the moment win gold, and I've seen them have to withdraw before competition begins. I've seen American ladies dominate the sport, while US dance was an international afterthought... and now I've seen the reverse. I take all this angst about ladies doing quads with a grain of salt... because I heard the exact same things when ladies started doing triples.
It gives you some perspective after a while. No individual skater is more important than the sport. Today's stars will not be the stars of tomorrow. Life moves on, and the sport progresses. It is as it should be.
I have personal preferences for the kind of skaters I like, but none of these people are my family. I owe them no allegiance beyond their ability to entertain me, and when they cease to do that, I'll revisit some favorite performances on video and move on to someone else. I'm certainly not going to knit them sweaters or do any of the other frankly creepy things I see fans do. It's that kind of fantasy life, where people mimic a "personal" connection and loyalty to complete strangers that is causing some of this mess. But here's the hard truth: No skater is going to "like" people because they behave this way, even though they dutifully pose for photographs and such. Honestly, how would any of you react if a complete stranger gave you personal gifts of this nature, accompanied by blowing kisses and "marry me" signs? It would creep the hell out of me - I'd think that person was unstable and potentially dangerous. Wouldn't you?
Likewise, I have personal dislikes for particular skating styles and choices. But I have never even contemplated stalking someone on the internet to drag them. What kind of person does that? That is just disgusting and vile. And I seriously doubt any rival skater is going to have kind thoughts towards any fan who behaves this way.
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This is something I don't like about the judging system. Skaters generally get a pass until they develop a reputation for being short on rotation. When that happens, the floodgates open for < calls. Personally, I don't think enough jumps are reviewed in the first place, especially if the skater is believed to rotate jumps generally. Bradie got some pretty harsh calls last season while other skaters had their issues ignored.
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I agree with this. I don't like the idea of sharing deceptive gifs. It's pretty unhelpful and counterproductive. I can agree that Alysa does underrotate her quad, and I can agree that looking back in slowmo, you can see that, BUT using the angle where it "looks" the worst, freezing the frame when it "looks" like her blade touches the ice, etc. Just seems incredibly convenient to me. Alysa has had forward landings on her difficult jumps before, it's not that that's the issue, it's the fan manufactured scrutiny that's irritating.
I mean, if people wanted to be fair, why wouldn't they share this slowmo of her quad, where it looks barely < and it looks rotated in clear time?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B12PXP7nMN9/?igshid=e3ollhw8owap Clearly there is an agenda to make her look the worst as possible, regardless of the truth. It's unfortunate because Alysa does have UR problems on her quad, but the outrage is so manufactured around her that I can't agree with the way in which people are discussing it.
Yes they’re misleading. Looking at from another angle you can see she’s just slightly under rotated but nowhere near downgrade.
I made my own screen shots from another angle that shows her true landing.
https://imgur.com/gallery/UTKR071
Edit:I should’ve have tagged this image. People are already commenting.
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Well said, Tonto, although there is one point I would elaborate on.
Some fans do feel a personal connection with a skater that doesn't exist. Some fans feel a personal connection with a NFL player that doesn't exist. Twas ever thus. In skating, I think the tradition of gift giving is a charming one, as long as you know you are just throwing something on the ice for someone who just skated their heart out for you. Which is different than pretending to be their long lost best friend on Twitter.
I see another issue, and we have had it in the past, but for some reason seems more intense now: identification with a skater's group, with a skater's nationality, to the extent of bashing skaters who threaten that "group identity" that some fans have. It is completely a puzzlement to me. Do I feel a little stirring of pride when I hear the "Star Spangled Banner." Sure. But it's not why I like skaters.
I like skaters. From the US (after the this is the US ladies thread
) But also from Mexico, from Japan, from Latvia, from countries all over. I follow the skater, not the country, not the coach, not the training group. The *skater*. And anyone who goes onto social media to tell a skater they don't like them, or who goes onto YouTube to give a thumbs down to a skater, needs to get a grip.
As you said, US Ladies have been dominant, and they have not been dominant. Nothing is forever, and it's a long road that has no turns. Why can't we just enjoy their skates?
/soapbox off
