Agnes Zawadzki
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It's negative if you wish to see it that way, some people consider it a valuable service.
I don't find it appealing personally. It's the best way to describe the vibe her packing puts off to me, so there we have.
The makeup and costuming in combination with how stiff and workman-like she is in her attempts to be playful/flirtatious during her programs...yeah.
There is nothing valuable about publicly insulting a person. My point was that no woman or young girl is deserving of being called those terms. It's demeaning to the individual and to women in general to throw such words around so casually. Any discomfort with or dislike of her attire and makeup can easily be conveyed without resorting to crass and crude name calling.
If I may point it out, critiquing someone's skating may be a valuable service, but calling someone a streetwalker (or any synonym of that noun) has no value whatsoever. In fact, it casts doubt on the dependability of other observations made by the person using the term and hints at a limited vocabulary besides. It is neither relevant nor charitable. Could you try for some more precise and useful descriptions, please?
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I think Blades of Passion inadvertently posted his pre-written criticism of Agnes' yet to be unveiled Lola program.
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Oh God, get off your high horses people. Learn to live life and build up the necessary tolerance needed to hear other viewpoints and the full vernacular of human language. I refuse to reduce my own expressions into something that is less than the full truth of what I want to say, as long as I do not violate any rules of this message board (and none of the words I used were blocked by the censors; if the administrators wish them to be blocked then they should add the words they find worrisome into their ongoing block against personality on these forums).
I've not insulted a person, I've critiqued their work. Everything a skater does on the ice is there to be judged. Agnes is probably a very nice and well-behaved girl, but her presentation on ice reminds me of a low-rent hooker. Get over it. It is what it is. When a film critic calls a film a piece of trash, it doesn't necessarily mean they think the director is a bad person or an immoral person. If I say less than what I mean, then I am lying. Such a thing, much more often than not, is evil. The doctrine you are trying to make me conform to promotes evil. Everything I say comes from a place of reasoning and clear intent, not mindless fandom or brute bullying.
Also, with regards to the comment you responded to, I was talking about the perceived value of hookers (not the perceived value of insulting people). Who are you to unequivocally demean people in that line of work? Some people find it valuable. I do not find it appealing, but then it's not up to any of us to decide for the entire World what is personally appealing or not when it comes to human aesthetics.
There was also a bit of humor to my initial post. I guess this was lost on everyone.
I've not insulted a person, I've critiqued their work. Everything a skater does on the ice is there to be judged. Agnes is probably a very nice and well-behaved girl, but her presentation on ice reminds me of a low-rent hooker. Get over it. It is what it is. When a film critic calls a film a piece of trash, it doesn't necessarily mean they think the director is a bad person or an immoral person. If I say less than what I mean, then I am lying. Such a thing, much more often than not, is evil. The doctrine you are trying to make me conform to promotes evil. Everything I say comes from a place of reasoning and clear intent, not mindless fandom or brute bullying.
Also, with regards to the comment you responded to, I was talking about the perceived value of hookers (not the perceived value of insulting people). Who are you to unequivocally demean people in that line of work? Some people find it valuable. I do not find it appealing, but then it's not up to any of us to decide for the entire World what is personally appealing or not when it comes to human aesthetics.
There was also a bit of humor to my initial post. I guess this was lost on everyone.
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What I like about Zawadski's skate
a) There's a level of maturity present. Like jcoates mentioned, it's nice to see an American girl not go for cutesy. I definitely don't like cutesy. Except Rachel Flatt's Olympic season SP.
b) She's clearly trying to stretch her range. Always a worthy goal to challenge oneself.
c) She's also trying to finish her moves a lot more.
What I hope to see
a) More projection/understanding of musical nuance. I have to admit that I don't think she did "At Last" justice (though, to be fair, neither did Beyonce. There's a reason the Etta James version is the stone cold classic, people!).
b) More fluidity in movement. She's trying to sell a sensual piece but does so rather stiffly.
I believe that Zawadski will challenge for the top of the podium come Nationals, and I'm curious to follow her progress.
a) There's a level of maturity present. Like jcoates mentioned, it's nice to see an American girl not go for cutesy. I definitely don't like cutesy. Except Rachel Flatt's Olympic season SP.
b) She's clearly trying to stretch her range. Always a worthy goal to challenge oneself.
c) She's also trying to finish her moves a lot more.
What I hope to see
a) More projection/understanding of musical nuance. I have to admit that I don't think she did "At Last" justice (though, to be fair, neither did Beyonce. There's a reason the Etta James version is the stone cold classic, people!).
b) More fluidity in movement. She's trying to sell a sensual piece but does so rather stiffly.
I believe that Zawadski will challenge for the top of the podium come Nationals, and I'm curious to follow her progress.
I was intrigued by your mention of Amber Corwin, and I see why you make that connection. I agree with your observations on the extra level that Agnes needs to rise to in order to interpret a song like this, but like you and others here, I agree that she's on her way. Like you, I like that an American is attempting to skate to more mature music--and I was impressed with how exactly on the music her moves were. She isn't just moving around with the music in the background. Her upper body posture is lovely, and I do love her arms.
Ginask8s, I think you're right about her face. She isn't projecting the feeling of the music just yet, or connecting with the audience--not here, at least. But if she keeps going in this direction, I think she'll get there.
And she jumps! Maybe this will be a good season for American skaters after all.
I echo Kalle in asking whether anyone has news of Agnes in any competition this weekend.
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The body sings with the music but the facial expressions need a lot of work and that is nitpicking on our part.
She needs more ballet lesson, try to make everything more natural and not forced. She does look like Amber Corwin. She does skate in a very mature manner and she does look very mature for her age.
She reminds me of a young Evan Lysacek- so much potential and has all the requirements to be a champion- just need the right person to nurture and develop to the fullest.
She needs more ballet lesson, try to make everything more natural and not forced. She does look like Amber Corwin. She does skate in a very mature manner and she does look very mature for her age.
She reminds me of a young Evan Lysacek- so much potential and has all the requirements to be a champion- just need the right person to nurture and develop to the fullest.
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1) Agnes is still young and looking for "her" style. I'm cutting her some slack while she experiments.
2) Agnes is tall and lanky for a ladies skater, and when you have this body type, any wonky position leg or arm, hunched shoulders, bad posture, and broken line is magnified more than if you are a short compact type.
For both of the above, I suggest she study some old videos of Lisa Marie Allen--probably my all-time favorite tall lady skater. (Lisa Marie was 5'-9" or 5"-10" so taller than Agnes, but almost impossible to catch her in any less than a beautiful position.)
2) Agnes is tall and lanky for a ladies skater, and when you have this body type, any wonky position leg or arm, hunched shoulders, bad posture, and broken line is magnified more than if you are a short compact type.
For both of the above, I suggest she study some old videos of Lisa Marie Allen--probably my all-time favorite tall lady skater. (Lisa Marie was 5'-9" or 5"-10" so taller than Agnes, but almost impossible to catch her in any less than a beautiful position.)
I love Lisa Marie Allen too. I watched a tape of hers recently when we were posting the thread about unsung heroes, and she was indeed the splendid skater I thought I remembered. You're right; she's the ideal role model for a tall skater. She was in command of every inch of herself, right out to her fingertips and the blades of her skates.
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True, but none, unfortunately in this one. Only preaching back at the preachers.
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Very poignant, Mathman. :thumbsup:
Oh, here we go again. First, of all Agnes and Christina are not "the younger generation." They are holdovers from the born in 1991-1994 generation. It is just that they were smart enought to wait until they were old enough for Worlds to compete in Nationals.
Second of all, when both of them prove that they can actually beat Rachel, Alissa, and Mirai, they they can be considered to be better than Rahcel and Mirai. Everybody's always hyping younger skaters. Younger skaters always get hype boosts. Yeah, they're good. But, just a few years ago, everyone was saying the same thing about Mirai. Now, all of a sudden, Agnes and Christina are the next World Champions.
