Alina Zagitova

[EdRoz]

I don't think that moving abroad is the answer. First of all, it costs of lot and secondly it doesn't mean that she would have better results than with Eteri.

Yes, you right, no sense to change 5 star all including hotel to hostel

 

[and]

I'm worried about alina's friendship with zhenya. Everybody will be asking her about this for a long time, and given that alina still needs to work with eteri every day, in public she will most likely side with eteri or at best say nothing at all.

 

[Finley]

No , maybe not.. Eteri can not push a member of the team to the street, if the skater wants to train, no one can prohibit, everything is paid for by Rusfed. Sotnikova is still a member of the Russian team and Rusfed pays her expenses if necessary (she does not use it)

Not saying she would force her out. But the day might come when Alina realizes she is not the priority anymore and it might be in her best interests to leave. Not this coming season but in the future.

I'm just feeling emotional about the way Eteri is handling this with Zhenya. Also feeling protective of Alina since Eteri unnecessarily brought her into it. I should probably calm down a little.

Probably if Alina ever does leave she wouldn't be dramatic about it, just bring her flowers and go. Just like before.

 

[madison]

Not saying she would force her out. But the day might come when Alina realizes she is not the priority anymore and it might be in her best interests to leave. Not this coming season but in the future.

I'm just feeling emotional about the way Eteri is handling this with Zhenya. Also feeling protective of Alina since Eteri unnecessarily brought her into it. I should probably calm down a little.

Probably if Alina ever does leave she wouldn't be dramatic about it, just bring her flowers and go. Just like before.

I hope Alina will learn at least 3 axel to have a chance with the new generation.
Given the fact that Eteri seems fueled by the competition with Orser, I think she'll do her best for Alina this season at least.

What do you think about shipping Eteri and Orser? They would be the most famous talented couple of coaches )))

 

[EdRoz]

Not saying she would force her out. But the day might come when Alina realizes she is not the priority anymore and it might be in her best interests to leave. Not this coming season but in the future.

I'm just feeling emotional about the way Eteri is handling this with Zhenya. Also feeling protective of Alina since Eteri unnecessarily brought her into it. I should probably calm down a little.

Probably if Alina ever does leave she wouldn't be dramatic about it, just bring her flowers and go. Just like before.

Alina's dad is also a coach, I hope he can explain to her that there are no untouchables in the sport

 

[EdRoz]

I hope Alina will learn at least 3 axel to have a chance with the new generation.
Given the fact that Eteri seems fueled by the competition with Orser, I think she'll do her best for Alina this season at least.

What do you think about shipping Eteri and Orser? They would be the most famous talented couple of coaches )))

Poor Orson..I do not envy him.. Tursynbaeva mother..Medvedeva mother..it's a real Zoo and under Eteri fire )) Russia attacks Canada ))

 

[Finley]

Alina's dad is also a coach, I hope he can explain to her that there are no untouchables in the sport

100% agree! As an athlete you have to deliver. When you don't there are players on the bench waiting to take your spot. Sometimes you only get one chance.

Another way that I think his experience is helpful to Alina is the understanding that no defeat or victory is ever final. There's always another game/competition coming up. In hockey you get a lot more chances throughout the season but the principle is the same.

Especially coming off an Olympic victory! In hockey it doesn't matter if you won the league last season, you have to go out and do it all over again next season. This is where Alina is now. I think her dad probably has some insight into that feeling.

 

[EdRoz]

100% agree! As an athlete you have to deliver. When you don't there are players on the bench waiting to take your spot. Sometimes you only get one chance.

Another way that I think his experience is helpful to Alina is the understanding that no defeat or victory is ever final. There's always another game/competition coming up. In hockey you get a lot more chances throughout the season but the principle is the same.

Especially coming off an Olympic victory! In hockey it doesn't matter if you won the league last season, you have to go out and do it all over again next season. This is where Alina is now. I think her dad probably has some insight into that feeling.

Also , I see a difference in this situation, Alina always SEARCHED for love from Eteri, and Zhenya BROUGH this love for granted and, as it turned out, did not appreciate it. so when the time comes for Alina to say goodbye to Eteri, I do not expect drama, I think there will be tears and flowers, I hope that this time is still very far away!

 

[flimflam]

I think that one year from now, Alina may very well want to find a new coach for the very same reasons that Zhenya did.
Namely, the three super juniors that are coming up. In the end it is a numbers game with the operating number being 3. Only the top three in Russian Nationals move up to participate in Europeans and World Championships and you do not want to be number four.
Also it can be a mite uncomfortable being stuck in a small enclosure with 3 tyrannosaurus rexes anxious to eat your medals. It might be a good time to get out of Dodge and find a new coach.

 

[madison]

I think that one year from now, Alina may very well want to find a new coach for the very same reasons that Zhenya did.
Namely, the three super juniors that are coming up. In the end it is a numbers game with the operating number being 3. Only the top three in Russian Nationals move up to participate in Europeans and World Championships and you do not want to be number four.
Also it can be a mite uncomfortable being stuck in a small enclosure with 3 tyrannosaurus rexes anxious to eat your medals. It might be a good time to get out of Dodge and find a new coach.

Alina should do only one thing: stay focus on training and exams (and learn the damn 3a), not on changing coaches.

 

[Ladogaboy]

I'm just feeling emotional about the way Eteri is handling this with Zhenya. Also feeling protective of Alina since Eteri unnecessarily brought her into it.

Again, I'm not defending Eteri's actions, but how does it excuse Zhenya's own behavior?

 

[Finley]

I think that one year from now, Alina may very well want to find a new coach for the very same reasons that Zhenya did.
Namely, the three super juniors that are coming up. In the end it is a numbers game with the operating number being 3. Only the top three in Russian Nationals move up to participate in Europeans and World Championships and you do not want to be number four.
Also it can be a mite uncomfortable being stuck in a small enclosure with 3 tyrannosaurus rexes anxious to eat your medals. It might be a good time to get out of Dodge and find a new coach.

You and I are on the same page. The only difference being I think she should wait until at least next season. Stay put for now, but make a long term plan just in case.

 

[EdRoz]

I think that one year from now, Alina may very well want to find a new coach for the very same reasons that Zhenya did.
Namely, the three super juniors that are coming up. In the end it is a numbers game with the operating number being 3. Only the top three in Russian Nationals move up to participate in Europeans and World Championships and you do not want to be number four.
Also it can be a mite uncomfortable being stuck in a small enclosure with 3 tyrannosaurus rexes anxious to eat your medals. It might be a good time to get out of Dodge and find a new coach.

Now they are puppies, they still need to prove that they are T-Rex in seniors

 

[Finley]

Again, I'm not defending Eteri's actions, but how does it excuse Zhenya's own behavior?

This is just my own opinion, but I don't think Zhenya's behavior needs to be excused. I don't know why she didn't respond to Eteri's texts but I assume she had her own reasons for doing so. I've ignored people's texts before when I didn't want to respond. Also, she is 18. We all make questionable decisions when we are 18. We all handle things in ways that we might look back on and think we could have done better.

Hurt feelings don't bring out the best in anyone but Eteri is the adult here. I hated the way she spoke about Yulia after that break-up. Maybe every word of it was true but it wasn't kind and it didn't need to be said. We are talking about a teenager fighting to overcome an eating disorder.

Now, again, she is speaking about a teenager and making things potentially difficult for another teenager (Alina). And it is completely unnecessary! Just say you wish her the best and be done with it! Everyone gets to move on. If Zhenya comes out on Monday and calls Eteri an abusive Cave Troll then she can defend herself.

Eteri needs someone to draw her a map to the high road.

 

[lesnar001]

Now, again, she is speaking about a teenager and making things potentially difficult for another teenager (Alina). And it is completely unnecessary! Just say you wish her the best and be done with it! Everyone gets to move on. If Zhenya comes out on Monday and calls Eteri an abusive Cave Troll then she can defend herself.

Eteri needs someone to draw her a map to the high road.

"Abusive Cave Troll" (formerly known as "Evil Eteri")

I would draw her a map to the high road myself except I am afraid I would be eating that map for dinner with the pen sticking out of my forehead

 

[EdRoz]

"Abusive Cave Troll" (formerly known as "Evil Eteri")

I would draw her a map to the high road myself except I am afraid I would be eating that map for dinner with the pen sticking out of my forehead

I'm not surprised that she is alone..maybe she need some..love?

 

[thedude]

I almost admire Eteri's Machiavellian ruthlessness. She's trying to poison the friendship between Alina and Evgenia, and to certain extent the other skaters in Eteri's group. She's manipulating the situation making it Team Tutberidze vs Zhenya, isolating Zhenya from all that she knows.

By making it sound like Evgenia was threatened and jealous of Alina, Eteri is basically telling Alina that she was her favorite student this entire season. She's probably telling Alina that Alina is the best skater she's ever coached and can't wait to repeat as OGM, at the same time she's winking at Trusova behind Alina's back

 

[lusk8]

Wow this thread is moving fast, me likey.

Anyway, my two cents on recent developments (Eteri's comments, etc):

Alina is super smart, beyond her years in fact, and this is one of the reasons I admire her so. When she was asked about Russian flag not being reinstated for the closing ceremony she got out of that like a pro, she is a master at avoiding though binds (see further evidence on the questions about boys in Japan) and shark infested waters (people basically had to throw Ashley's comments in her face to get a quote and she answered like a pro). On Alena's recent broadcast she was as quiet as the cast of "A quiet place", not one little peep, she didn't make any effort to be in it but didn't obviously run from it either. I call that smart, genius level smart.

This is Alina's year, now more than ever, and if she plays her cards right she will be set for life. Being in the media, getting media interest, training hard (even harder than ever before), getting results, she will have her pick of coach, country and anything else she wants another year from now. She could probably have the first two right now if she needed them, but, point is, she doesn't. She loves her country (as she should), is thankful for the opportunities she has, trains with people that are pushing the technical boundaries in her sport (Eteri's comment about it being easier to run away than to catch up is genius), is still in school, should be near her family, has never been over trained (she wasn't doing crazy jumps as a little kid), and she already won an Olympic Gold Medal. All she needs to do is keep it up, and by the way she has been training these past few days we can see that her mind is in the right place. And she is not even 16 yet, imagine that.

I wish her a nice down time when she gets it (Alena seemed to mention first 10th and then 15th as quitting time), can enjoy a nice family vacation and come up fully charged to receive Masaru and all the media attention they'll both get. As an aside, I think the fact that she had a press conference about that at the Russian Olympic Committee's headquarters is a great sign of her great prospects in Russia.

 

[Sugar Coated]

I almost admire Eteri's Machiavellian ruthlessness. She's trying to poison the friendship between Alina and Evgenia, and to certain extent the other skaters in Eteri's group. She's manipulating the situation making it Team Tutberidze vs Zhenya, isolating Zhenya from all that she knows.

By making it sound like Evgenia was threatened and jealous of Alina, Eteri is basically telling Alina that she was her favorite student this entire season. She's probably telling Alina that Alina is the best skater she's ever coached and can't wait to repeat as OGM, at the same time she's winking at Trusova behind Alina's back

This all this. Eteri is shocked, SHOCKED, by Zhenya’s competition with Alina. Except Eteri has gone on record explaining how she used to feed into this competitiveness to push them both.

I don’t get the impression that Alina and Zhenya dislike one another. Of course they are competitive but the sense I get is that are bonded through shared trauma.

 

[Ophelia]

I almost admire Eteri's Machiavellian ruthlessness. She's trying to poison the friendship between Alina and Evgenia, and to certain extent the other skaters in Eteri's group. She's manipulating the situation making it Team Tutberidze vs Zhenya, isolating Zhenya from all that she knows.

By making it sound like Evgenia was threatened and jealous of Alina, Eteri is basically telling Alina that she was her favorite student this entire season. She's probably telling Alina that Alina is the best skater she's ever coached and can't wait to repeat as OGM, at the same time she's winking at Trusova behind Alina's back

People have eyes and ears. If I were any of Eteri's students, I wouldn't trust her at all. Yesterday Lipniskaia, today Medvedeva, tomorrow it could be any one of them.