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And I think we should leave this aside

Well, let me put some criticism and then immediately say "everybody please move on"? I'm not glad to say it but I must. That's very cheap escape tactics. When one is prepared to put an opinion, a statement, an argument, he should be also prepared to stand by it and to give others the same priviledge to put a potential counterargument, not to escape like this and make potential opponents loking like those who are in fact those who try to start a quarrel, because "it will not add anything new". So what "new" brought the original statement? That is not honest way how to lead a discussion and I must say I really don't like it.
 
"but her posture!" :drama: has become the new "ewww, backloading!" :rolleye:

The girl grew 7 cm in 8 months. She's dealing with an entirely new body, a changed center of gravity, and every other change brought on by puberty. All while breaking in new boots and dealing with the mental and emotional pressure of being an Olympic champion at 16. Careers have ended over less.

Somehow she kept her jumps and they look bigger, higher and cover more ice. She improved her spins. She has come out looking fantastic, breaking records. I'm guessing the posture is part of adjusting to her new height.

And the judges don't seem to be bothered. :cool:

Alina has such great spins...and jumps...and everything else...every time I watch a ladies figure skating competition, I have to go back to rewatch one of her programs. Sorry to all the other ladies out there but there is just no comparison. The quality of Alina's skating is out of this world!

It only makes it better that the judges agree :).
 
This ”me at home doing nothing“ time zone can turn to “me at home bed trying desperately not to fall asleep“, though, if some of the (Canadian, American etc.) competitions start at 3 am for you then. :laugh:

:rofl: I'm basically a vampire, I have to will myself to sleep before 11pm at night through the power of extreme boredom ever since I was a baby (or so I've been told). I have to admit that this is another talent that age did nothing to improve on, while before I could go on 3 hours of sleep and function like nothing was happening the next day now I look like the cast of The Walking Dead minus the torn clothes. At least I hope I don't put on torn clothes too. Sleeping all through the morning after going to bed at 5am though, natural born skill.

I've never noticed how much stuff I have to do from between 12pm until 2pm until I started trying to watch figure skating live. Thank you Alina for pointing out that unhealthy balance in my life were everything seems to happen in, around or right after lunch time every single day of the goddamn week.
 
ISaturday will be a similar issue it seems, not work this time but my Mother-in-Law for lunch at her place, I'd rather wish it was work.

I really want to watch all of this live. That's it, I have to move to Europe now to get into a more "me at home doing nothing" friendly figure skating time zone.

There only one solution to this...use your Saturday lunch to convert your Mother-in-law to the Church of the Collar Problem and the Holy Hamster :biggrin:
 
Well, let me put some criticism and then immediately say "everybody please move on"? I'm not glad to say it but I must. That's very cheap escape tactics. When one is prepared to put an opinion, a statement, an argument, he should be also prepared to stand by it and to give others the same priviledge to put a potential counterargument, not to escape like this and make potential opponents loking like those who are in fact those who try to start a quarrel, because "it will not add anything new". So what "new" brought the original statement? That is not honest way how to lead a discussion and I must say I really don't like it.

Well, I stood and still stand by the comment I made. I explained it thoroughly in several posts. I didn‘t take back my my statement at all. I still think Alina‘s posture is something she could and should work on but I‘m perfectly fine if others disagree with me. The reason why I decided to cut off this discussion was that I saw it turning into talks about hate and intense criticism and I really did not want it to escalate like this just because I offered something Alina could improve on. Especially not when we have a lot of exciting things to talk about anyway, mainly the upcoming competition she and many other great skaters will participate in. I frankly just do not see what else I could have said or done other than explain my intentions in what I felt was a honest and objective way. What “new“ the original statement brought? Well, what does every statement, post, whatever in this forum bring that‘s “new“? An opinion. I explained it, people talked about it and I had the feeling that it was perceived wrongly or at least not like I had intended. That‘s why I offered an explanation on what I meant and moved on. What else is there to talk about or discuss according to you, that I “escaped from“?
 
There only one solution to this...use your Saturday lunch to convert your Mother-in-law to the Church of the Collar Problem and the Holy Hamster :biggrin:

Thank you for this wonderful idea my fellow Alina Witness congregate. Another plus side to this: looking at something in shared mutual admiration silence is a skill that I cannot wait for my Mother-in-Law to possess.
 
Well, let me put some criticism and then immediately say "everybody please move on"? I'm not glad to say it but I must. That's very cheap escape tactics. When one is prepared to put an opinion, a statement, an argument, he should be also prepared to stand by it and to give others the same priviledge to put a potential counterargument, not to escape like this and make potential opponents loking like those who are in fact those who try to start a quarrel, because "it will not add anything new". So what "new" brought the original statement? That is not honest way how to lead a discussion and I must say I really don't like it.

Poor posture means the skater’s weight is not “centered” over the skate. If the head or torso is pitched forward, then weight transfers from the back of the skate to the front, which is less stable. You should be able to draw a straight line from the skater’s head to the centre of the blade that traverses the body. Google figure skating + “posture” and you can find items like this: a band for posture training. As I said, good posture means the skater’s weight is properly balanced, and it’s aesthetically more pleasing; looking down at the ice or letting the body pitch forward are considered bad habits that are often seen in new skaters.

Alina has relatively poor posture during crossovers, which detracts from the performance — it’s hard to project and perform outward if the head is tilted downward — and is noticeable due to interrupting Alina’s otherwise elegant lines. (She has the best Rippons of anyone in ladies, in my opinion. I’m often not a fan of arm variations but I could watch Alina’s Rippons all day.) It also suggests weaker basic skating skills, due to the fact that Alina no longer appears to have her weight over the centre of the blade. It’s something I hope and expect she will improve upon, but it’s a legitimate critique. It is a noticeable issue that detracts from the performance and suggests lesser control over the blade than is expected.

I quite enjoy Alina, but she lacks the soft knee bend and easy flow over the ice that skaters who have impressive skating skills have attained. (She’s also younger, which is why I don’t consider it as vital an issue; I assume she will improve with time.) Her skating skills are not weak by any means, and the relative weakness there doesn’t detract from her performance... except for when her posture worsens. Again, I assume time and experience will do their work. But it is a real critique and not a subjective bias — it’s not a subjective one like preferring one skater’s music or artistry over another. It is an observable, noticeable issue.

There are moments in her DQ performances in which her poor posture lessens the performance for me, given how ballerina-esque she is throughout the majority of it.
 
Regarding Shiseido commercial.. do you think Alina was legally obligated to name drop Eteri Tutberidze?

Anything is possible, but I assumed it was just a factual statement. :confused2: Now that you bring it up, it did strike me as odd that she mentioned her coach in her commercial.
 
:rofl: I'm basically a vampire, I have to will myself to sleep before 11pm at night through the power of extreme boredom ever since I was a baby (or so I've been told). I have to admit that this is another talent that age did nothing to improve on, while before I could go on 3 hours of sleep and function like nothing was happening the next day now I look like the cast of The Walking Dead minus the torn clothes. At least I hope I don't put on torn clothes too. Sleeping all through the morning after going to bed at 5am though, natural born skill.

I've never noticed how much stuff I have to do from between 12pm until 2pm until I started trying to watch figure skating live. Thank you Alina for pointing out that unhealthy balance in my life were everything seems to happen in, around or right after lunch time every single day of the goddamn week.

:rofl: That‘s the funny thing about trying to watch literally anything live for me. If I don‘t have anything to do I’m usually a bit like you, I don‘t get tired at all. But if I tell myself I need to stay awake because I want to watch a competition... I can look at the watch and feel my eyes drooping after about five minutes already. It‘s almost cursed. During Skate Canada I only survived due to switching between hot chocolate and Coca Cola. (me dislikes coffee. :slink: )

I like the walking dead reference even thoigh I don‘t think you‘re putting on torn clothes no matter how tired you are. People would have tried to point it out for you, however polite they might be. :biggrin:
 
Regarding Shiseido commercial.. do you think Alina was legally obligated to name drop Eteri Tutberidze?

Genuinely asking: Why would she be? What does Eteri have to do with Shiseido? :scratch2:

I think she was just telling about how she got to know these products.
 
Well, I stood and still stand by the comment I made. I explained it thoroughly in several posts. I didn‘t take back my my statement at all. I still think Alina‘s posture is something she could and should work on but I‘m perfectly fine if others disagree with me. The reason why I decided to cut off this discussion was that I saw it turning into talks about hate and intense criticism and I really did not want it to escalate like this just because I offered something Alina could improve on. Especially not when we have a lot of exciting things to talk about anyway, mainly the upcoming competition she and many other great skaters will participate in. I frankly just do not see what else I could have said or done other than explain my intentions in what I felt was a honest and objective way. What “new“ the original statement brought? Well, what does every statement, post, whatever in this forum bring that‘s “new“? An opinion. I explained it, people talked about it and I had the feeling that it was perceived wrongly or at least not like I had intended. That‘s why I offered an explanation on what I meant and moved on. What else is there to talk about or discuss according to you, that I “escaped from“?

Fluture, my post wasn't in any way directed at you. It was about "posture" becoming the new band wagon for Alina's critics. It's annoying, but every skater gets it. Whether it's miming or backloading or whatever.

I assume if she can fix it, she will fix it. And if not, it is what it is, and her fans will just have to hear about it from the critics who need to point it out.
 
:rofl: That‘s the funny thing about trying to watch literally anything live for me. If I don‘t have anything to do I’m usually a bit like you, I don‘t get tired at all. But if I tell myself I need to stay awake because I want to watch a competition... I can look at the watch and feel my eyes drooping after about five minutes already. It‘s almost cursed. During Skate Canada I only survived due to switching between hot chocolate and Coca Cola. (me dislikes coffee. :slink: )

I like the walking dead reference even thoigh I don‘t think you‘re putting on torn clothes no matter how tired you are. People would have tried to point it out for you, however polite they might be. [emoji3]

Now that you pointed that last bit out I’ll share a secret with you: I once went to work wearing two different shoes. In my defense I have this habit of buying the exact same shoe in different colors when I find I model I really like.

So there I was at a client board meeting when I felt one shoe way tighter than the other and decided to look down to see why my right foot felt so much tighter than my left one. When I did I found out that I had one black shoe on my left foot and one red shoe on my right foot. Trendsetting is my middle name, but hey it was the 90s so maybe that was in fashion somewhere.

Moral to the story: never get dressed in the dark in a hurry.
 
On the Eteri and Shiseido bit: my money is on it being the truth. It is an upscale (and expensive) top brand so I doubt Alina knew about it from her fellow teen friends.

Choosing Alina as a spokesperson is a move by Shiseido to address precisely that: appeal to a younger demographic and launch a more accessible (in price) product line. They have a reputation for being a top quality premium brand, now they want young people to also consider them an option.

Alina is perfect for this.
 
Ok ISU fess up you are cooking the books

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bpo803lHiEt/

I just did the math and realized that Alina will start skating at 12pm my time, I'll be mobile again...meaning on my phone...last time YouTube lives saved my day because they work great on my phone (streams on websites not so much). Wish me luck guys!!! Saturday will be a similar issue it seems, not work this time but my Mother-in-Law for lunch at her place, I'd rather wish it was work.

I really want to watch all of this live. That's it, I have to move to Europe now to get into a more "me at home doing nothing" friendly figure skating time zone.

Well for me she will be skating at 4am [emoji23] I am 16yo and I’m not allowed my devices in my room at night [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849] (though I could easily sneak my computer in) and I don’t think waking up at 4am would be any good for me as I have school exams next week. If my parents caught me up watching FS at that hour I’d be dead [emoji85][emoji23] ahh, New Zealand has the WORST most incompatible time zones for figure skating competitions in Europe. Ones in east Asia and North America are during the day for me, but it just so happens that Alina isn’t competing in anything there [emoji28]
 
Fluture, my post wasn't in any way directed at you. It was about "posture" becoming the new band wagon for Alina's critics. It's annoying, but every skater gets it. Whether it's miming or backloading or whatever.

I assume if she can fix it, she will fix it. And if not, it is what it is, and her fans will just have to hear about it from the critics who need to point it out.

Thank you. I just got a bit confused and decided to clear it up that I didn’t mean it in a bad way and would never ever hate on Alina. No harm done.

I always considered this to be annoying as well. For me, it‘s fine if someone says “Oh, I think skater xy could improve on this (e.g. backloading, miming, posture)“ but then moves on and talks about other things again. But there are people who think that Alina Zagitova = backloading and bad posture or Evgenia Medvedeva = miming and flutz or Satoko Miyahara = tiny jumps and underrotation and nothing else and they never see anything positive and always repeat these things like a broken record. It‘s a shame but it‘s what it is. Even though I‘d prefer it to be different obviously. If you‘re successful it automatically means you‘re getting envy, jealousy, excessive criticism and hate. If you don‘t, you‘re doing something wrong apparently.

And that was exactly why I wanted to move on from this topic. Because I didn‘t want hate to be even discussed in Alina‘s fanfest.

Now that you pointed that last bit out I’ll share a secret with you: I once went to work wearing two different shoes. In my defense I have this habit of buying the exact same shoe in different colors when I find I model I really like.

So there I was at a client board meeting when I felt one shoe way tighter than the other and decided to look down to see why my right foot felt so much tighter than my left one. When I did I found out that I had one black shoe on my left foot and one red shoe on my right foot. Trendsetting is my middle name, but hey it was the 90s so maybe that was in fashion somewhere.

Moral to the story: never get dressed in the dark in a hurry.

Oh dear! And nobody pointed it out? :rofl: Did you see your other coworkers go to work with two differently coloured shows the next days? Then you would have had the proof: They didn‘t see it as a mistake at all, they thought you were just setting a new trend. :laugh:

But something like this actually happened to me, too, once. I wore two different ankle boots and only noticed it when I noticed that walking felt... strange that day... as if one leg was longer than the other... Then I looked down and saw why: The two boots had different heels! Both weren‘t really high but still a bit different. But the colours were pretty similar, dark brown and black and it was nighttime so I guess people didn‘t see it at all. I told my friend:

“I‘m wearing two different shoes.“

She was like: “You... what?“

Then she looked at them more closely and had to laugh. :laugh:

And to bring it back to figure skating... my talents are so enormous I once skated with two left boots on both feet and didn‘t notice it for three years until the manager in a shop pointed it out to me when I wanted to get them sharpened. :palmf: :slink: :laugh:
 
Well, I stood and still stand by the comment I made. I explained it thoroughly in several posts. I didn‘t take back my my statement at all. I still think Alina‘s posture is something she could and should work on but I‘m perfectly fine if others disagree with me. The reason why I decided to cut off this discussion was that I saw it turning into talks about hate and intense criticism and I really did not want it to escalate like this just because I offered something Alina could improve on. Especially not when we have a lot of exciting things to talk about anyway, mainly the upcoming competition she and many other great skaters will participate in. I frankly just do not see what else I could have said or done other than explain my intentions in what I felt was a honest and objective way. What “new“ the original statement brought? Well, what does every statement, post, whatever in this forum bring that‘s “new“? An opinion. I explained it, people talked about it and I had the feeling that it was perceived wrongly or at least not like I had intended. That‘s why I offered an explanation on what I meant and moved on. What else is there to talk about or discuss according to you, that I “escaped from“?

Well, I wrote an answer but forum won't allow me to post it and I seriously can't find a reason, rewritten it three times, but no... So it is me who has to put an end to this :)
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaand of this post, we are caught up with Russian ladies. :biggrin:

Thank you everyone for your hard work in gushing. Hail Queen Alina!
 
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