Alina Zagitova

[schizoanalyst]

How so? I believe that it's almost the same. I guess it's worth 0.1 points more in BV in the free but on the other hand, the points are essentially only half as valuable so you could argue that the benefit is greater to doing it in the SP than the FS(at least in relation to PCS). As such, why do you feel this way? What am I missing? I only see an additional 0.1 points of BV benefit, or 0.11 points on the second half.

If she switches to 3Lz+3T in the free, that means she can no longer do a second 3F since she's doing two lutz's and two toes. That reduces the BV by 1.1. That's actually pretty small so I overstated it by my phrasing, so not a significant advantage but we've seen competitions decided by less. Partially this depends on the GOE she gets on a solo triple loop since that's what has to replace the second flip. I guess my point was that there is *some* advantage to doing the combo in the free and it makes sense to train only one triple-triple combo. I'd personally switch to 3Lz+3T in both if it's a more consistent jump though.

 

[madison]

If she switches to 3Lz+3T in the free, that means she can no longer do a second 3F since she's doing two lutz's and two toes. That reduces the BV by 1.1. That's actually pretty small so I overstated it by my phrasing, so not a significant advantage but we've seen competitions decided by less. Partially this depends on the GOE she gets on a solo triple loop since that's what has to replace the second flip. I guess my point was that there is *some* advantage to doing the combo in the free and it makes sense to train only one triple-triple combo. I'd personally switch to 3Lz+3T in both if it's a more consistent jump though.

I think the flip is one of her best jumps. So it makes sense to have two 3f in the program. And i don't know either if her single loop is really good.
I'd change the combo in the short with 3lz3t and even she misses the first jumping pass she can easily add a 3t to the 3f. It's more secure this way.

 

[PavelKoller]

I think it is very unlucky that the system prizes -3lo combo so little. I was watching the last GP on TV with my friends. They know almost nothing about this sport and cannot even differentiate the jumps. But when they saw Alina's 3lz-3lo reactions were: "how come she did it so fast?", "she barely touched the ice and was back in the air". This is really eye-catching element and the advantage is only 0.8 point... For me only 3A is a more "wow" thing. But here the advantage is 5.2 . Couldn't they add a bonus for -3lo combo, like 1-2 points? The current system discourages girls from doing it

 

[atsumiri]

I think it is very unlucky that the system prizes -3lo combo so little. I was watching the last GP on TV with my friends. They know almost nothing about this sport and cannot even differentiate the jumps. But when they saw Alina's 3lz-3lo reactions were: "how come she did it so fast?", "she barely touched the ice and was back in the air". This is really eye-catching element and the advantage is only 0.8 point... For me only 3A is a more "wow" thing. But here the advantage is 5.2 . Couldn't they add a bonus for -3lo combo, like 1-2 points? The current system discourages girls from doing it

agree!!!

 

[Lily flowers]

I think it is very unlucky that the system prizes -3lo combo so little. I was watching the last GP on TV with my friends. They know almost nothing about this sport and cannot even differentiate the jumps. But when they saw Alina's 3lz-3lo reactions were: "how come she did it so fast?", "she barely touched the ice and was back in the air". This is really eye-catching element and the advantage is only 0.8 point... For me only 3A is a more "wow" thing. But here the advantage is 5.2 . Couldn't they add a bonus for -3lo combo, like 1-2 points? The current system discourages girls from doing it

When my friend saw the -3Lo combo she was like “oo this is different” and she knows absolutely zero about skating. I do agree that they should receive extra points for more difficult combos.

 

[dorispulaski]

CaroLiza_fan updated Alina's OP. There are lots more videos!

And if we are missing anything, don't hesitate to tell us!

 

[Leonardo]

Thanks for link to the interview and the translation. Alina seems so insecure about this SP

Really cute interview! I wonder about who is the foreign skater she wrote to. She is actually much more interesting than I imagined. About the SP, I'm sure she can do her combo, but 3lz-3t could be a good option. She has TES to spare.

 

[russianfan]

https://vk.com/video-118768737_456249527

 

[tsangpogorge]

https://vk.com/video-118768737_456249527

This is the full feature if anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4w2ob51it4

First part is mostly Med but the remainder is dedicated to Alina.

 

[zytolda]

This is the full feature if anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4w2ob51it4


thanks for link. I have no idea what they are talking about in the movie but Alina is super cute

 

[PavelKoller]

This is the full feature if anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4w2ob51it4

First part is mostly Med but the remainder is dedicated to Alina.

OMG! The video moment 11:17 - 11:23. Technically she is a genius. If only she could hold her nerves, stay calm before/during her SP.

 

[xeyra]

OMG! The video moment 11:17 - 11:23. Technically she is a genius. If only she could hold her nerves, stay calm before/during her SP.

3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo.... :eeking: :clapper:

 

[YesWay]

3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo.... :eeking: :clapper:

Yeah, that was a real "WOW!" moment...! First time I'd seen her do anything like that...

Apparently part of the Tutberidze "practice skating at 150%, so that you can easily skate 110% in competition" method (3Lz-3Lo should be easy, if you can do 3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo !)

 

[russianfan]

wow... that just blew my mind :eeking:
now i think there are no reasons to not believe her when she says that she does 100 out of 100 3Lz-3Lo at training
i wonder what Trusova's training looks like considering that she does 4S at competitions... probably some attempts to do 5 rotations?

 

[madison]

wow... that just blew my mind :eeking:
now i think there are no reasons to not believe her when she says that she does 100 out of 100 3Lz-3Lo at training
i wonder what Trusova's training looks like considering that she does 4S at competitions... probably some attempts to do 5 rotations?

What does Alina say in the video? And who is the woman that is with her at the restaurant? Her grandmother?

 

[Lily flowers]

wow... that just blew my mind :eeking:
now i think there are no reasons to not believe her when she says that she does 100 out of 100 3Lz-3Lo at training
i wonder what Trusova's training looks like considering that she does 4S at competitions... probably some attempts to do 5 rotations?

The sky is the limit with Eteri

 

[PavelKoller]

What does Alina say in the video? And who is the woman that is with her at the restaurant? Her grandmother?

Yes! Could someone translate russian-language fragments in the video? I mean, just what Alina and Eteri are saying? This is really an interesting material, I've never seen before how trainings in the best ladies figure skating school look like

 

[AKTKN]

No translation assistant today, so if there are a lot of mistakes - please blame me directly.

3:30 ET - Secret of our team strength? I think it is work. Tired or not, in a mood or not you have to work. If you haven't worked today, your competitor has.
4:15 ET - No, we are trying ..., if you think that it is Russian's weaknes, we are doing 150% in a training to do 110% in a competition. It is easyer psychologicaly if they will know they are able to do much more than what is required.
6:50 SD - What happened with you?
ET - I do not understand. You are in a top shape, yet you ... You did choreo well, but you were not present. You have done everything, but it is boring for you. And it is boring for me too. It is just a set of elements.
7:40 AZ - She understands me, and i understand her too. I think she has become a second mother for me. Even her presence gives me a strength.
8:30 AZ - I don't know.
?? - Who taught you to use chopsticks?
AZ - Father. We had eaten in Izhevsk, gathered with entire family.
9:25 AZ - I am in a very happy mood, because now i can compete with more experienced athletes.
10:30 AZ - And disappointed i didn't do in SP everything i am capable to do. Probably i was worried too much.
13:35 AZ - Getting into GPF is very important to me this season. Every competition is very important but this is a big progress for me.

 

[madison]

No translation assistant today, so if there are a lot of mistakes - please blame me directly.

3:30 ET - Secret of our team strength? I think it is work. Tired or not, in a mood or not you have to work. If you haven't worked today, your competitor has.
4:15 ET - No, we are trying ..., if you think that it is Russian's weaknes, we are doing 150% in a training to do 110% in a competition. It is easyer psychologicaly if they will know they are able to do much more than what is required.
6:50 SD - What happened with you?
ET - I do not understand. You are in a top shape, yet you ... You did choreo well, but you were not present. You have done everything, but it is boring for you. And it is boring for me too. It is just a set of elements.
7:40 AZ - She understands me, and i understand her too. I think she has become a second mother for me. Even her presence gives me a strength.
8:30 AZ - I don't know.
?? - Who taught you to use chopsticks?
AZ - Father. We had eaten in Izhevsk, gathered with entire family.
9:25 AZ - I am in a very happy mood, because now i can compete with more experienced athletes.
10:30 AZ - And disappointed i didn't do in SP everything i am capable to do. Probably i was worried too much.
13:35 AZ - Getting into GPF is very important to me this season. Every competition is very important but this is a big progress for me.

Thank you so much!

 

[russianfan]

the most interesting part is when Eteri criticizes her after she does her FS at training...
Eteri says almost the same as some haters in this forum, like "You has shown no emotions, you wasn't there, you got bored, i got bored. You're just doing a set of elements, etc.."
i guess she's the biggest hater out there