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Your idea is pretty great. She should keep her 3Lz+3Lo in bonus land because by being there it’s worth almost as much as a 4Lz (important strategy for the future).
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Your idea is pretty great. She should keep her 3Lz+3Lo in bonus land because by being there it’s worth almost as much as a 4Lz (important strategy for the future).
That is the smartest layout indeed.
I feel that putting all three combos in the second half is too risky.
I wonder with what kind of crazy transitions and jump entries Eteri will come up with for Alina's first half jumps.
But we all know Eteri.
I think it will be like that:
2A-3T
3S
3F
2A
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3Lz-3Lo
3Lz
3F-2T-2L
Question: Is Alina really going to suffer from the rule change? I assume her programs get better (higher PCS) and her jump quality gets better too if she doesn't have to fire 4 jumps within 20 seconds. In the end, Alina must feel relieved
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Question: Is Alina really going to suffer from the rule change? ... In the end, Alina must feel relieved
I don't think she cares much. Most likely she enjoy's the mess she created like the fat boy from the "Stand by me" movie, puking balance programs to each other.
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I’d say she’ll be just fine for next season, and will probably stand to gain.
If she can do all her jumps in the second half pretty well I’d wager she can do them even better when they are spaced throughout the program.
Goals for her, if it was up to me, this next season should be: increase consistency in all her jumps, focus on skating skills, increase jump height, increase jump distance and, possibly as result of last two, increase speed of entry into jumps.
If she can do all her jumps in the second half pretty well I’d wager she can do them even better when they are spaced throughout the program.
Goals for her, if it was up to me, this next season should be: increase consistency in all her jumps, focus on skating skills, increase jump height, increase jump distance and, possibly as result of last two, increase speed of entry into jumps.
Very risky layout....
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My personal belief is that these rule changes are going to benefit Alina in the long run.
I haven't followed all the changes in the scoring that are going to result - it would make my head hurt too much.
But it is obvious to me that with these changes the emphasis is going to be more on QUALITY rather than QUANTITY.
If skaters want to try quads and triple axels - go right ahead - but if you are sloppy or unsuccessful in the attempt your score will really suffer.
I really hope that Alina gets choreography that is less "busy" so she has a chance to hold her positions longer.
Personally - I hope that some day "spiral sequences" have more importance in the scoring like they used to. I think Alina could really shine with a nice extended spiral sequence.
Alina has exceptional body control and I really want her programs to showcase this.
Also.... her rippons and tanos are executed really nicely - and that should be rewarded too compared to just tossing the arm up.
edited to add....
Backloading was 2016-17 and 2017-18 and basically it put Alina's name on the map.
The scoring difference between 0-7 and 2-5 really wasn't huge.
Plenty of other ways to gain points.
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I don't think Eteri is that naive. That might work for some girls that never miss, but Alina's not one of them, and she needs a second place for her combos, even just for the mental clarity that it's there if something should happen. Giving both 3Lz's combos is incredibly risky because she can't make up the lost 3Lz combo.
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Hm, I don’t think so. The only thing that could change was the position of the 3T (2A3T to 3Lz3T).
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Perhaps you're correct. Only 2 combos backloaded, and one Lutz saved for the end where a combo can be inserted might be more ideal. Still, it's actually quite nice how risky it is to go for a high-scoring backload with this system.
Yeah, it just matters for the backload because Lutz would get more bonus than a 2A. But with a 0-7 that doesn't make a difference.
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Cripes....
Some so-called knowledgeable people on twitter comparing "Zagitova Rule" to "Zayak Rule"
NOT EVEN CLOSE
If Alina had been performing a 3lz-3lo-3lo-3lo-3lo in competitions and they passed a rule against it - THAT would be much closer to the "Zayak Rule"
This "so-called" figure skating expert (who I never liked) just had an epic fail.
Some so-called knowledgeable people on twitter comparing "Zagitova Rule" to "Zayak Rule"
NOT EVEN CLOSE
If Alina had been performing a 3lz-3lo-3lo-3lo-3lo in competitions and they passed a rule against it - THAT would be much closer to the "Zayak Rule"
This "so-called" figure skating expert (who I never liked) just had an epic fail.
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Well, "great" thing how to make all programs layout the same...
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I don’t know about Alina, but my poor heart will not survive this.
I think it will be nice if she does 3Lz-3Lo and 3lz-3t, because this two things are usually mutually exclusive. But very risky.
I don’t how much this new rule will affect Alina, but we will have to include +5/-5 GOE thing to do the maths. She will lose on BV but she might gain with the GOE (?)
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Someone said that the judges will have more opportunities to be unfair now because will give more weight to components scores than technical.
I don’t know, we will really have to wait and see Alina’s new programs. I hope Eteri/Sergei/Daniil figure it out both technically and artistically how to make this work
P.S Alina's free skate will be the only fully backloaded senior long program in history, right? I’m proud.
I don’t know, we will really have to wait and see Alina’s new programs. I hope Eteri/Sergei/Daniil figure it out both technically and artistically how to make this work
P.S Alina's free skate will be the only fully backloaded senior long program in history, right? I’m proud.
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As long as Figure Skating has been a sport - the judges have always had opportunities to be unfair. Just a fact of life.
Alina is in the record books again!!!!
And 36 years from now people will still be talking about "The Zagitova Rule"
edited to add....
Actually the rule should probably be the "Trusova-Kostornaya-etc.... Rule" because this is why I really think it passed.
If just Alina was doing it - not really a problem - but they were worried about the "army" on the horizon.
Alina was just the "scout"
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I have faith in Daniil and Eteri to deliver on maximum points opportunities.
While the ISU folks are going with the corn kernels, Eteri is already coming back with the popcorn.
Alina has stamina to do plenty, how that plenty will look like I'm curious to find out.
I wouldn't put two 3Ltzs in sequence to one another, wouldn't the set up for both be too specific and done in succession make her program layout weird? Agree that her signature combo has to be on the back half for it to be worth the mountain load of points that it is worth, also agree she should have another place to add it in case she needs it.
While the ISU folks are going with the corn kernels, Eteri is already coming back with the popcorn.
Alina has stamina to do plenty, how that plenty will look like I'm curious to find out.
I wouldn't put two 3Ltzs in sequence to one another, wouldn't the set up for both be too specific and done in succession make her program layout weird? Agree that her signature combo has to be on the back half for it to be worth the mountain load of points that it is worth, also agree she should have another place to add it in case she needs it.
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