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Alina Zagitova

Now, come on, guys, calm down a bit. I know TAT isn‘t the nicest woman there is and she could have stated here opinion on Alina more politely. But she has said some good things about her, too (which of course don‘t excuse comments like the ones she made at worlds) and I don‘t think she‘s this evil, evil monster. She can‘t shut her mouth, that‘s all. Not a very likeable quality but not the worst there is on earth. Alina has tons of fans who support her and Daniil comforted her today, too. She won the OGM all on her own, she doesn‘t need TAT to win anyway. Let‘s not focus so much on her.
 
She likes Alina. Her commentary during Alina's Olympic LP was epic.
Here is a subtitled video starting where Alina did the 3lz-3lo.

https://youtu.be/caEXMSkyGiU?t=240

"mamma mia" "defender of the fatherland"

She don’t hates Alina , she hate Eteri.. people said — because of Bujanova, it’s revenge ,
it’s not a big secret what Diana’s (Eteri daughter) father is a Buyanova husband :shocked:
 
But she is right. Alina's gliding is really not good. It often seems as if she is walking over the ice. Eteri and Daniil are quite smart though because all of Alina's programs hide that weakness wit

I have to disagree. Her ice show performances to OTHER choreography shows what she is capable of in terms of flow and holding positions.
If anything I think Eteri & Daniil can bog her down with choreography that can be "too busy".

Besides - according to my google translation this is what TAT said....

Alina, we must work on the slip. You made very good programs, very good ones. But somewhere slip went away. We must work, "Tarasova said

Assuming "slip" is "gliding" - I think she is referring to how Alina did today - and she WAS somewhat lethargic following 2 major mistakes at the beginning.

At least that's how I see it.
 
I actually see more potential in this program now when I first wrote this. And I see it in the choreographic sequence. Put a big split jump in there and a backwards spiral after the ina bauer and it becomes a big moment. I don't think it's worth changing to a different program.

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Hmmmm... the FS is not as bad as Medvedeva's first FS from last year(I hope it was my relentless trolling that sparked that change while most everyone else was like"owe it's fine... give it time") before Medvedeva switched to Anna Karenina. But it's not good nor is it going to get good. And it doesn't look like Alina has a backup plan like Medvedeva last year who repurposed an exhibition. The only thing this program communicates is that her team is too lazy to come up with anything interesting(Zagitova said in an interview that she wanted to do it last year... but still, she should be given better guidance). The POTO short program has a little charm of being kind of like a fast-action movie trailer of other POTO programs.... but this has nothing.

The waiting 5 seconds before moving from Eteri skaters is getting annoying. It ceases to be artistic when everyone in a camp does it.

Some of the transitions and positions are lame at best and comical at worst. There's a lot of low hanging fruit here where the program could be improved but I don't think enough for the program to ever really be good. It's kind of worrying that the program is in this state.

The skating is very labored and too often there's no intentionality in the skating. There's way too much skating through the music.

There are people here saying they like the music cut... but it sounds exactly like any other Carmen. The music cuts seem far more random than the POTO program where there's at least a purpose to the cuts.

They put the step sequence at the very end... which is something you often see in Canadian skaters. I actually wanted to see Russians try this and even wrote that in one of my troll posts against Medvedeva's FS last year. But it does not work well here. She needs the step sequence earlier to rev up the energy a bit.

On the positive front, she did two rotated 3Lz+3Lo in her warmup... which was something I was worried about since they're going to be stricter on rotation this year and the one she did in the SP looked a little UR.

And before 2018 signup contingency call me a hater... I've been watching Zagitova since January 2015 right before she went to Eteri... when she posted her broken arm on vk right after she went to Eteri... when she was doing 2A+3Lo combos in fall of 2015 to finally landing a legit, rotated 3Lz+3Lo at a competition not even listed at fskate.ru in may 2016... to her first JGP to the JGPF to Junior Worlds. etc. I also went through post-2014 Lipnitskaya fandom which was super depressing.... and while I believe Yulia is equally to blame for what happened, Eteri could have been a better coach then and I'm unsure she's learned any lessons from that period. I get a really bad sense of deja vu when I hear that they haven't even thought about their costume yet. I'm both an Eteri fan and and who is extremely skeptical her(and her team's) creative process after they've achieved success with a skater. They need to call in some help sometimes or they're going to keep ruining or come close to ruining careers right after they make them. It's easier to choreograph short programs... so please start on the FS first and experiment with it and get feedback on it earlier.
 
Hmmmm... the FS is not as bad as Medvedeva's first FS from last year(I hope it was my relentless trolling that sparked that change while most everyone else was like"owe it's fine... give it time") before Medvedeva switch to Anna Karenina. But it's not good nor is it going to get good. And it doesn't look like Alina has a backup plan like Medvedeva last year who repurposed an exhibition. The only thing this program communicates is that her team is too lazy to come up with anything interesting(Zagitova said in an interview that she wanted to do it last year... but still, she should be given better guidance). The POTO short program has a little charm of being kind of like a fast-action movie trailer of other POTO programs.... but this has nothing.

The waiting 5 seconds before moving from Eteri skaters is getting annoying. It ceases to be artistic when everyone in a camp does it.

Some of the transitions and positions are lame at best and comical at worst. There's a lot of low hanging fruit here where the program could be improved but I don't think enough for the program to ever really be good. It's kind of worrying that the program is in this state.

The skating is very labored and too often there's no intentionality in the skating. There's way too much skating through the music.

There are people here saying they like the music cut... but it sounds exactly like any other Carmen. The music cuts seem far more random than the POTO program where there's at least a purpose to the cuts.

They put the step sequence at the very end... which is something you often see in Canadian skaters. I actually wanted to see Russians try this and even wrote that in one of my troll posts against Medvedeva's FS last year. But it does not work well here. She needs the step sequence earlier to rev up the energy a bit.

On the positive front, she did two rotated 3Lz+3Lo in her warmup... which was something I was worried about since they're going to be stricter on rotation this year and the one she did in the SP looked a little UR.

And before 2018 signup contingency call me a hater... I've been watching Zagitova since January 2015 right before she went to Eteri... when she posted her broken arm on vk right after she went to Eteri... when she was doing 2A+3Lo combos in fall of 2015 to finally landing a legit, rotated 3Lz+3Lo at a competition not even listed at fskate.ru in may 2016... to her first JGP to the JGPF to Junior Worlds. etc. I also went through post-2014 Lipnitskaya fandom which was super depressing.... and while I believe Yulia is equally to blame for what happened, Eteri could have been a better coach then and I'm unsure she's learned any lessons from that period. I get a really bad sense of deja vu when I hear that they haven't even thought about their costume yet. I'm both an Eteri fan and and who is extremely skeptical her(and her team's) creative process after they've achieved success with a skater. They need to call in some help sometimes or they're going to keep ruining or come close to ruining careers right after they make them. It's easier to choreograph short programs... so please start on the FS first and experiment with it and get feedback on it earlier.

I really like her FS surprisingly because for me I always think of Katarina Witt when someone skates to Carmen and I never enjoyed others doing it 😂 I also have a love hate relationship with POTO SP. I love POTO it is my favorite Musical and the movie has the best songs imo but the music cuts are too extreme and rushed to give Alina time to get into the mood and character I think they should have choosen The Point of No return as her SP song for POTO and leave out the music cuts, however it is just september she just learned these programs and has time to get adjusted to them. But I loved both of her skatings. She has a lot of transistions which I on one hand love because I do not get bored watching the programs because there is so much happening 😂 on the other hand it worries me because she has to do so much which could be overwhelming if her nerves get to her, at least ISU removed the backloading of all jumps because I cannot bear another WC 2018. It broke my heart when she struggled through all of these backloaded jumps and fell and fell 😭 I also think they should let her hold some positions longer alla Sasha Cohen, would look amazing if she would hold her raised leg longer.


I agree. I think they need to add new members to their coaching team. With them getting more and more talented skaters I feel like you can see that they are overworked I mean Daniil has to choreograph SPs and FSs for 2 senior girls and 3 junior girls and I think 4 Novices? And then they also have a few boys and on top of that he has to choreograph Exhibitions for all of them. That are a lot of programs to do for just one person I think they should add at least 1 choreographer to give Daniil a break and not drain his creativity, some of the girls programs looked similar this season or even similar to their old programs I think because he has to make so many (they recycled 2 of Evgenia's old programs this season Dasha got James Bond and Alena The Leftovers). With Eteri getting more and more popular as a coach they really should expand their team to be able to do everything in time.
 
Just saw the close up version of the FS. And I know why I thought she had back injury. I think after 2 seasons of 100% backloading her programs, she's not used to putting so much crossovers in her program. She looks tired and this affects her crossover posture to make it look very stiff and bendy.

Other than that the music cut of FS was better than Zhenya's. The choreo of FS was better than Alina's SP, and the jump distances of those landed were huge.

The problem of this bending stiff back and just the general stiffness of her arms and hands has to be addressed by GP or Japan Open. I think she needs more posture or ballet lessons and she will be good to go to defend her GPF title.
 
Nothing to do, she has a huge, gigantic influence in figure skating in Russia, she is in the USSR and Russia team since 1967, her students won more than 40 gold medals at the Olympics and World Championships, and her father was coach of the USSR national hockey team. Papa was a tyrant, and daughter too
He wasn't just a coach, he created the Soviet hockey system, from scratch. So he is basically a George Washington-esque figure in Russian sports. TAT is both riding his coattails and copying his manners. But at least he was a tyrant with results. TAT has mostly...just been sitting and talking for the last few years.
 
She don’t hates Alina , she hate Eteri.. people said — because of Bujanova, it’s revenge ,
it’s not a big secret what Diana’s (Eteri daughter) father is a Bujanova husband :shocked:

What? Are you serious? I did not know that. That is amazing that Diana's stepmother is her mother's rival coach.

Is this man who is Diana's father American because she has the last name of Davis?
 
Is this man who is Diana's father American because she has the last name of Davis?
No, Sergey Buyanov, a former ice skater. It's speculated that the whole Davis thing is a cover-up by Eteri. Just wanted to point out that it's a wild rumor and hasn't been confirmed.
 
Nothing to do, she has a huge, gigantic influence in figure skating in Russia, she is in the USSR and Russia team since 1967, her students won more than 40 gold medals at the Olympics and World Championships, and her father was coach of the USSR national hockey team. Papa was a tyrant, and daughter too

Tarasova has an incredible record that's really unprecedented in figure skating coaching history. But her time is past her time has come and gone. when she was in her prime as a coach Russia was the dominant country followed by America now there are more countries that are good at figure skating including countries such as Japan and Korea and that was not the case when TAT was a great coach.
 
No, Sergey Buyanov, a former ice skater. It's speculated that the whole Davis thing is a cover-up by Eteri. Just wanted to point out that it's a wild rumor and hasn't been confirmed.

Thank you. Diana needs to be loved and know who her fsther is. I like Eteri she is a great coach and quite attractive. But if she's playing games with her daughter and not letting her know who her real father is that would piss me off. Alina is good friends with Diana. They both probaby need good friends
 
He wasn't just a coach, he created the Soviet hockey system, from scratch. So he is basically a George Washington-esque figure in Russian sports. TAT is both riding his coattails and copying his manners. But at least he was a tyrant with results. TAT has mostly...just been sitting and talking for the last few years.

Oh please. Tatiana Tarasova has single handedly coached more World and Olympic champions than any other skating coach. She mouths off a lot, but she has a TON of clout and coaching experience to cover for it.
 
I've admired TAT for a very long time for her coaching achievements and choreography. I was crushingly disappointed in her lack of support for Alina after she won gold at the Olympics. I lost respect for her after her comments to Alina's father on that televised talk show. She flat out pissed. me. off. with her commentary about 'missing Zhenya' during Alina's terrible skate at world's in Milan.

And it seems that TAT plans to take up right where she left off when it comes to Alina this season. Sigh. Whatever. I guess she will deal with it and so will we.

TAT is not in my good books right now, but I have to say this, to her credit, at the end of the test skates TAT asked for a moment of silence for Denis Ten. His last standing ovation. That was very classy, and well done. Thank you to TAT for that moment.

Let the future unfold as it will.
 
Seriously... do it... that moonlight music is epic enough to use twice and that step sequence is the most artistic thing she's ever done. Everyone(judges included) will be more understanding about reusing a good old program than doing a bad Carmen. If she wants to beat Medvedeva, go with Black Swan.

I'm optimistic that Zagitova could have a long grand prix career if she wants it. But if she wants a world medal she ought to change the FS.

I think if she wants to defend her GPF title, she ought to change the SP, not FS. She has until November to change her SP, as she will only skate FS in Japan Open. The SP step sequence doesn't match the music. And worse of all, it's a recycled step sequence. I wish Danill put more effort in making new, exciting choreo for POTO.
 
Recycled from what? The SP step sequence has problems... there's no change of speed at all and she's not exactly able to keep up with all the movements given to her... but conceptually, I like the movie trailer like aspect of the SP and there is a sweetness to the SP step sequence.

The FS on the other hand is less carmen and an 80s exercise video program to the music of carmen. It has no direction.

If you watch all Alina's SP from Samson and Delilah onward, you can see that the step sequences are recylced. Not all of them, but many of them. Danil copy and pasted alot of them into POTO. He didn't do that with the FS, but it looks as if he didn't add many new types of StSq into POTO.
 
If you watch all Alina's SP from Samson and Delilah onward, you can see that the step sequences are recylced. Not all of them, but many of them. Danil copy and pasted alot of them into POTO. He didn't do that with the FS, but it looks as if he didn't add many new types of StSq into POTO.

Back when Yulia trained there it was well known that Eteri set the StSeq’s. Has that changed? It’s one of the reasons that even with various choreographers her skaters have similar steps. I’m not sure if that’s true any more or if maybe that was something only limited to Yulia. I’m pretty sure she did this StSeq too since she was the choreographer but her signature is there if you were to ask me. I love this program BTW :)
 
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