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American Idol April 20/21

I disagreed with the judges. Not only was this John's best performance, I really liked it (Toni, get up off the floor!). I did still hear some pitch problems, but they didn't stand out, and John looked/sounded confident, and the song went well with his voice. I even "felt" this performance. This was WAY better than his Casablanca song last week. Whatever Manilow told him about singing has given me hope that John can become a better singer. I didn't vote for him, and at his best, I still think 5 of the singers left are way better than he is, but this was great.


I'm up... and pinching myself... are you ok???? LOLI agree with the feeling... I really felt him reaching out to me this time (but then again I was watching on the big screen so...)


I'm tired of the American Idol powerhouse competition... Kelly won, deservingly so, because she sounded great and she totally outsang the competition in every way... Ruben was not the power house... but I wonder if Clay fans just screwed that whole thing up... with jamming his lines... and it was so close anyway... Clay was also that huge voice coming from no where... and it worked... but if every AI winner is going to be someone like that then it's going to backfire because people are going to get tired of it... I'm not saying that all of the top 7 singers aren't great... and the ladies certainly have the lungs for the competition... but I like the mellower (is that a word??? LOL) style that John has... and before the Elton John night, what Jasmine had... I don't like the vocal gymnastics... Clay's stuff last year sent chills down my spine... but let's face it... it's not every day a pop artist sings like that... they normally sing through their nose... or a down low body part if you know what I mean
 
Well, I work Tuesday nights, so I just got to watch it on video...interesting, I didn't remember some of these songs as being Barry Manilow (although he wrote and didn't sing some of them). Anyway, my order, and will put it in (outdated) skating terminology:

1. Fantasia (and I'm shocked I'm doing this, because I don't like her)....5.7 Technical, 5.9 Presentation (Great energy, daring rendition)
2. Latoya....5.9, 5.8 (I think Simon is right, she is the best actual singer....but a little restrained in her performance)
3. Jasmine....5.8, 5.8 (MUCH better performance for her)

GAP

4. Jennifer....5.7, 5.6 (Seems to swallow the words in the beginning, and screamed too much in the latter half)
5. Diana....5.8, 5.0 (And I think this was one of her LESS robotic performances)

GAP

6. George.....4.5, 4.9 (YIKES! I hope he was sick or something!)
7. John.....WD (Sorry, I have seen coma patients with more expression)

I can see the bottom three being either John, Diana and George or John, Diana and Jennifer. Either way, I think it's time that Opie left the building. Nice kid, nice voice, needs to grow up and develop more stage presence and personality.

Kasey
 
Tonichelle said:
I'm up... and pinching myself... are you ok???? LOL
I told you I'd be the first one cheering if John sang well! ;)

Still nervissssssss for George tonight.....

guinevere
 
I hate to say it... but I think John will be the one to go home... I only got to vote for him for 45 mins as I am cleaning a house and I didn't get done until 9pm last night... and so it took a while before the tape got to John :(
 
Tonight's show was INSANE

I am in shock

It was a big mistake to not vote for Jennifer. I think she would have been this season's Kim Locke...she would have kept on getting better every week.
 
Un-Freakin Believable!

This is what happens when they allow people to vote continuously. It is totally bogus and unfair. Far too many talented singers are being sent home. When the 3 best singers are getting the least amount of votes, you know something ain't right.
I just don't know how you all justify this.
One vote per phone number is the only fair way.
 
I started a new thread for this by mistake so I'll move it here.
SPOILER




















They divided them into two groups. Group A was Fantasia, LaToya, and Jennifer. Group B was Diana, Jasmine, and John. George was then told he was SAFE and.....

SENT TO GROUP B!!!

OMG!!! The bottom three were :
Fantasia
Jennifer
La Toya

Latoya was safe.

Jennifer was sent home. Fantasia was very classy in that she hugged Jennifer and proclaimed her to be HER American Idol.

EVERYONE was in shock. They said on one night that Jennifer had the most votes and then tonight the least. Very sad.
 
I am sorry but some singers's fans (THAT WOULD BE JOHN STEVENS FANS IN PARTICULAR) need to GET A FRICKIN LIFE!

I am sorry, but am slightly outraged right now. That was the most utterly ridiculous farce of a results show that I have ever seen. The three best singers in the bottom three?

Un. Believe. Able.
 
The funny thing is that I'm not even a Jennifer fan! :laugh: I voted for Fantasia a bit, then a couple for Jasmine because I liked them the best. But to see someone like Jennifer be kicked off over John Stevens, just boggles the mind.

:eek:
 
This comes down to people just assuming that someone is safe. As Seacrest always points out when something like this happens, do not assume someone is safe, get up and vote for them.

The argument about 1 vote per phone doesn't hold up. What if you have three cell phones, etc. The way it is now is the nicest method, although I'd love to have it changed to voting for who you think should go.

I think it's safe to assume that this was the worst bottom three this show has ever seen. Can we say TAMYRA?!

John's toast next week. This show usually finds a way of righting itself, and John will stink it up with something, finally forcing America to get rid of him. It's Salsa week next time; all I have to say is "See ya!"
 
mike79 said:
The argument about 1 vote per phone doesn't hold up. What if you have three cell phones, etc. The way it is now is the nicest method, although I'd love to have it changed to voting for who you think should go.
Then you get 3 votes, but not hours of voting by one person!
Changing it to voting for who goes is no different than what you have now. The same people will votes for hours for the people they don't want.

John should have been gone a long time ago. He wasn't even in the bottom 3 for crying out loud! :mad:
The only good news is we won't have to hear Jennifer do salsa.
The bad news is, we'll have to hear John do salsa :rolleye:

(sorry Toni, I am not out to bash you. I realize it appears that way, but I'm not.)
 
This show wouldn't be half as popular as it is if people could only vote once. People like to think that they have a real chance to affect the final vote.

The thing they really need to get rid of is text messaging. The tweens are rabid with that option. Who are the tweens voting for? Diana and John, maybe Jasmine; three people who need to go.

I just wonder why John Stevens fans vote for him to stay in this competition. He is the least talented singer on the show, and by far the most boring. Can anyone honestly say that he deserves to stay longer than Jennifer?

Paula actually said something worthwhile tonight. She mentioned that JPL's fans might have switched to John. I tend to agree with that idea.
 
AI 4/20 Only

I wrote this about last night's competition before tonight's results were revealed, but had to get off line to make some phone calls.

Diana -- First time I heard some real communication from her. Twinnie, every time Barry Manilow (Barely Manenough as they used to joke where I once worked;) and of whose songs and singing I am not a fan) told one of the contestants "think about what you're singing; tell a story!" I wanted to say, "You go, Barry! You go, guy! That's my Twinnie talkin'!" My neighbors and I watched it together and they said basically the same thing: That Diana has a great gift but she's like a pom pon girl out there with high kicks and a nice smile, although tonight the light seemed to dawn. I was actually kind of glad to hear her hit that one really awful note because I felt as if perhaps she indeed was thinking about telling a story rather than the fireworks. The communication was sporadic, but at least she had some. Props for Diana for breaking her own mold, but IMO she still needs about four-five more years of the right kind of training (emphasizing communication and singing from the heart), experience, and maturing before she can really put those gifts together on a CD that will sell.

George -- I started off not liking George, then closed my eyes and just listened and liked him, but tonight I think he tried to hard to do too many things. I don't think he has the vocal control to master an interpretation like that, at least not yet. I hope he goes back to simple and direct because in his case, communication is one of his strongest assets.

Jasmine -- She came back very nicely after a couple of bad weeks and I was thrilled to hear her do that. I may not be a fan of Barry Manilow the singer/songwriter, but he definitely coached some of these singers to a substantial notch above where they were.

Jennifer -- I liked her. Not her best, but she was soft in the beginning and saved the powerhouse for the end. My only criticism would be that I would have liked a more gradual build-up. That is, it went from soft to BIG in one beat. OTOH, that's difficult to do with short versions of songs. Still, I felt she knew what she was singing about, told the story well, and has both an unusual and beautiful low range that I just love. The latter is admittedly a matter of personal preference and it can get out of hand. But if she gets with the right producer, I think she could be absolutely stunning.

LaToya -- Although somewhat like Simon I would also say that LaToya is the best vocalist (not sure about singer--to me that encompasses much more) in the competition and I enjoy her singing, IMO she's getting predictable. It's as if there's a map for every song: Start out slow and easy, build it up, big finish. Certainly it works, but she's better than that. When I think of her songs, none really stands out, although on the whole she's the most consistent. I guess now is the time I want her to break out with something different, sort of the way Kelly Clarkson did with "Stuff Like That There" and Clay with "Vincent," which I actually liked even though I don't like the song. It's risky, but I'd still like to see her try.

John -- I thought John and Barry's comments in the pre-song clip were VERY interesting. John was first and foremost impressed that Barry immediately knew the pitch and meter of the song. Barry, off camera from John, said (basically), "I told him to forget about the pitch and the meter. Just remember what the song is about and tell the story. As soon as he did that, his phrasing changed and he got much better." I think this is the musical version of the "smoking gun" for John. I remember his choral teacher saying how John was always on pitch and if another student was having trouble, she would always use John to demonstrate perfect pitch. So I think that much like Diana has always been praised for her power lungs, John has probably always been praised for his "perfect technique," and that he also admires singers with perfect enunciation, pitch, tone, etc. Those are great things to have, of course, but with "Mandy," for the first time I heard John let go and sing the song as if he was telling a story from his heart. Especially at the beginning and the end I thought, "This is how REALLY GREAT this guy could be if he keeps on this path." As you know, I had not been at all impressed with John since he sang, "Always a Woman to Me." In fact I was getting increasingly UNimpressed with him. But props to him this week for breaking out of his box. I think this was his best performance yet, but unfortunately, still very week. Even so, called in a vote for him.

Fantasia -- I think Randy put his finger on it when he said "Not enough melody." I think she sang it the way Manilow directed her to sing it, very gospel, very much church-stomping and spiritual. But again, I think the problem with some of the truncated songs is that there's not enough time to do both. Ideally, this song would have started out slow and melodically, then gradually built up to where Fantasia actually started the song. Given the *mellow* energy of the night, I didn't mind it, but it was not the best representation of her, except that it showed he spirit, connection, and comfort on the stage. I wanted to smack the producers for using her little girl like that. If somebody's going home, that's one thing; but to cut to Fantasia's mother holding Zion in the green room while she was singing was quite another. If anything, I think it costs a contestant votes when the producers do that because it looks like the singer is doing it so s/he can get votes.


Overall predictions: Last night was only the second time this season that I voted for over at least an hour. The first time was the week after Jennifer Hudson was second to last; that next week, I voted for Jennifer from 10-11pm EST (if you want to get votes in during EST, that is the time to do it). Last night I felt as if there was going to be some kind of response to the "three divas" comments from the judges; I remembered that last week was spring break for a lot of students; and the *Tamyra Gray Factor.* I don't remember it happening last season, though I could be forgetting someone, but then last season seemed to clearly be about Ruben and Clay from about the fourth show. I don't want to analyze it any further--it would just be guessing anyway--except to say I just felt that things were in for a shake-up. So I spent 9-10pm voting for Jennifer (bad sign--got through every time and I was doing nonstop redial) and 10-11pm voting for Fantasia (same thing getting through as with Jennifer). I don't know if this means anything, but last week when I gave myself a "whoop whoop" for picking the B3 and who would go home, I neglected to mention that those were my personal picks and that my predictions were "no way are John Stevens and JPL ever going to be in the B3."

Bottom line: Hell if I know, lol. But I do think it would make an interesting study to map voting trends week to week and ask a scientifically generated samply of people who they voted for, how many times they voted, and why they voted for a given person each week. My personal B3/GH: Diana, George, John, with John, as much as I admire his improvement this week, John GH.
Rgirl

PS: Last week I agreed with Guinivere who said "If the top four are anybody but LaToya, Fantasia, Jennifer, and George it will be a travesty." Then Show said she wouldn't mind if Jasmine were in the Top 4. Now I'm vascillating. George has had two off weeks and Jasmine did very well with Manilow and I loved her in the early weeks--though those lower registers are not her friend. George or Jasmine--I could go either way.

As for my neighbors: They haven't been watching regularly but they LOVED Jennifer and Fantasia, although they too thought the baby shot was cheap. Except they were laughing; they were like, "Go, mama! Use everything you got! It's an evil biz!" Needless to say they were joking a lot and kept me in stitches. They did not like LaToya at all. They thought she sounded *arrogant.* (These guys are a couple and tended to speak as "we" a lot.) They liked Diana and Jasmine; didn't like George and John, though they thought John was *cute.*
 
I was never a fan of Jennifer, but that was messed up! I guess that's what happens when you add personality into the mix. Now salsa week should be interesting! I wonder if there will be dancing by all the contestants... especially one in particular... I have a feeling next week may be very amusing :laugh:
 
Becca84 said:
I was never a fan of Jennifer, but that was messed up! I guess that's what happens when you add personality into the mix. Now salsa week should be interesting! I wonder if there will be dancing by all the contestants... especially one in particular... I have a feeling next week may be very amusing :laugh:

I'm with you on that one. I'm thinking salsa week should be pretty entertaining as long as the contestants don't sing Ricky Martin. I know it won't happen but I'd love to see someone try Shakira's 'Objection'.
 
Why not Ricky Martin? How could we live w/out another 'She Bangs' :laugh:

Even better than singing something from RM, would be if someone attempted his dance moves :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Becca84 said:
Why not Ricky Martin? How could we live w/out another 'She Bangs' :laugh:

Even better than singing something from RM, would be if someone attempted his dance moves :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Trust me, if JPL was still around we would be seeing someone trying to do Ricky's dance moves!

As for 'She Bangs' I must quote Marlon Brando/Kurtz: 'The horror...the horror...':p
 
:laugh: Now I just might have my hopes up too high for next week :laugh: & poor JPL could go w/ the Marlon Brando quote ;)
 
AI 4/21 Only

Given the outcome, no wonder Jennifer and Fantasia's lines were completely open from 9-11pm. Earlier, on Entertainment Tonight, Paula said she felt John should be voted off. She didn't expound on why, she just said, "I think it's time for John to go." Each of the three judges said something about AI having turned into a popularity contest and I think they're right. No matter what age a person is, they can vote for "that nice young (man or woman)." Will they go out and buy that nice young person's CDs? Not if they can't sing. Look how popular Ruben was, and he had a decent voice. But IMO the lack of sales of his CD had nothing to do with him singing the wrong songs. It had to do with the fact that people LOVED his personality (I did too) and transposed a lot of his personality onto his singing, which just wasn't that strong. IMO, when you just heard Ruben without seeing his smile and seeing his attitude, it just wasn't strong enough to hold people's interest. Clay, OTOH, has a very powerful voice, was also a "nice young man," and just needed to get some professional training, at least a superficial makeover, a good producer, and a good amount of experience.

As I said in my other post, I had a feeling there would be some sort of reaction to JPL being booted off and JS being second to last, but I had no idea how it would manifest itself. Mike, I think you're absolutely right about the text messaging thing. That's definitely a tween/teen thing BIG TIME, especially in urban areas or large suburban metropolitan areas like Denver or LA. AARP does not contact it's members by text messaging.

Sadly, we have a name for it now: The Tamyra Gray Effect. Jennifer was not as gifted, IMO, as Tamyra, but taking out all personal preferences, Jennifer is definitely better than at least one or two other people still up there. Although I agree with you that the show has a way of righting itself, in AI-1 we wound up with a final match-up of Kelly Clarkson and "I Can't Sing But I Look Good on a Teen Magazine" Justin Guarini, which was no match-up at all. John was the best he's ever been last night, IMO, and I even called in one *improvement* vote for him. Never again. His improvement is still not up to the level of this competition.

I thought the whole JS thing would wear itself out, but now I don't know. Actually, it would interesting to see what happens if JS wins because the producers are counting on the American Idol and/or runner-up making them MONEY. I can see JS's first single doing well whatever it is if they get it out fast enough, but after that I just don't see his popularity sustained. And if Simon Cowell loses big bucks on a non-selling American Idol, I do wonder if they will change the format next season. In an indirect way, AI also makes money off text messaging. AT&T charges for TM and AT&T sponsors the show.

Anyway, I find Jennifer being voted off to be a pathetic indication of tween/teen music appreciation, or lackthereof. But it's nothing new. In the late 1960s, there was a music contest that came down to a singer whose name I've remember for 30 years until just recently when I tried to think of it--Julie Something [EDIT: Brilliant Piel just reminded me it's JULIE BUDD--so I'll fix her name from here on]--and Sly and the Family Stone. Even though I was a huge rock/soul fan and not a fan of the traditional sound of Julie Budd (she was like a milder version of Barbra Streisand; Twinnie, I bet you know her--short brown hair, pretty), when Sly and the Family Stone won, I was outraged. I was only 13-14 at the time, but it was obvious Julie Budd, who was only about 18 at the time, was really gifted. She'd even been on Ed Sullivan as a solo act at age 16 (that was a big deal back then). Sly et al. were good and had some great hits (and were amazing at Woodstock!), but it wasn't owing to any one person. So even back then, I think it was a popularity vote because Julie X just wasn't *cool.*

What happened to Julie Budd? She never got her big break, played clubs, and put out a few records. But she had/has a very loyal fan base and got enough club dates and sold enough records to continue making her living from singing. A few years ago on the NYC-area 24 hour news station, NY-1, and also on one of those shows like "Dateline" they did a profile on Julie Budd. She had long come to terms with her life, was married, had children, and was happy. But she could have been really great. She was pretty, great personality, the whole package. The reason I remembered her name for so long--until I needed it, of course, lol--was that her loss made such an impression on me. I was at that age where even though your parents and teachers say, "Life isn't fair, you know," you're still mostly a kid and think it isn't that UNfair. When Julie Budd lost it was one of my, "Boy, they're not kidding. Life really is unfair because this girl is obviously SO much better than even the band I like."

And it's not a matter of taste, at least for me. As I said, I am no fan of Barry Manilow's singing or his songs, in fact I can't stand either. But I've always been able to hear that he has tremendous talent. The saddest thing about Jennifer's last show for me is that the show went long and they had to cut her goodbye song off after about 15 seconds. Talk about a double-boot. Very sad. I think she had so much to give and was at the point of being able to improve a lot. At least she'll be going on the tour and that will be great experience and exposure for her. But I'm still bummed for Jennifer. She did a lot to remake herself too.
Rgirl
 
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