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That rotation speed ... unbelievable! :eeking: Anna keeps to amaze us every single time. :hap57:
Anna Shcherbakova
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That rotation speed ... unbelievable! :eeking: Anna keeps to amaze us every single time. :hap57:
Eteri and co keep to amaze me every single day... they are something:shocked:
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Oh she could do whatever she wants...
assuming she has her 4T back by JGP:
4Lz-3T-3Lo
4T (could put the combo on here if she misses it on the first one)
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3Lz-3Lo
3F-3T
3Lz
3S
2A
assuming she has her 4T back by JGP:
4Lz-3T-3Lo
4T (could put the combo on here if she misses it on the first one)
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3Lz-3Lo
3F-3T
3Lz
3S
2A
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no. she can't do it.
2 x 3T
2 x 3Lo
2 x 3Lz
more logical would be Sasha's lay out.
4Lz
4T (if she has her 4T back)
3Lz+3Lo
3Lz+1lo+3S
3F3T
3F
2A
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Jesus, she went really HIGH there!
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19/30 frames of air time, same as Trusova during all of Trusova's quads including the Lutz...Jesus, she went really HIGH there!
And look at this graph! She's dead last in jump height out of every junior, made off this past season...
What is she actually capable of? What is she actually going to be capable of? I was not expecting her to be jumping this high at all. I was NOT expecting a quad Lutz this off season, honestly. I would have been happy with her getting the 4T back... With 17 frames of air time. And yet...
Also, this quad Lutz has less pre-rotation than her 4Ts from a year ago. And is better rotated.
Now, what I'm asking is... Is this it? Has she fully recovered now? Or is there still more to come? And how much more...
Let's go with a dreamy-eyed layout prediction:
4Lz-3T
4Lz
4T-1Lo-3S
4T
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3Lz-3Lo
3F
2A
And have a good laugh at those who want to limit backloading to only 3 jumps...
edit: My initial layout was dumb, changed.
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I wonder how much her height and rotation speed changed comparing to her old 4T? (it would be very illuminative to see that way her progress per year or degree of her recovery). And what about her 4Lz height/rotation speed comparing to Trusova? In real time rotation speed seems to me much faster (it's pretty 3Lz for untrained eye), while Trusova height was little higher? Hmm :think:
Also, comparing her and Trusova's 3Lz with 4Lz seems to me rather interesting too
Anyway, what remains for us is just look forward to bloodbath that RusNat 2019 will be 
And how much quads they will try to place in her program will be very important. I don't think it will be more than 2 considering that only 4S demanded half a year to train for Trusova in competitions. And most likely it will be only one 4Lz+3T combination in first half of season. On the other hand she should have PCS advantage over Trusova but, I am afraid, it will be negligible considering Trusova's international reputation so far.
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ah yeah that was dumb of me
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While it's impressive beyond doubt (and most likely impossible for her - she don't strike me as very sturdy skater at all and this layout will require tremendous stamina) - bear in mind that Sasha can have similar layout but with two extra 4S .. :shocked:
While it's impressive beyond doubt (and most likely impossible for her - she don't strike me as very sturdy skater at all and this layout will require tremendous stamina) - bear in mind that Sasha can have similar layout but with two extra 4S .. :shocked:
She had great stamina before she was injured (One of her older exhibition skates had eleven flawless triples in the back half). It was only after she broke her leg that she started getting tired in the second half. She’ll most likely regain her stamina (and consistency) during the off-season.
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Old 4T: 17/30 frames, a bit over 6 revolutions per second
New 4Lz: 19/30 frames, a bit over 6 revolutions per second. All of of Trusova's quads are 19/30 as well.
Lutz should be the most difficult jump to rotate rapidly so her reaching over 6 revolutions per second on it is nothing short of amazing.
Remember, Trusova, unlike Anna, has not landed a fully rotated 4Lz yet.
The question is, might it be possible for Anna to get more quads than just 4Lz/4T? With this Lutz's airtime being so high, perhaps she could quad even some of her weaker jumps... Might a Flip...?
This is true as well. In fact, Anna looked more tireless than Sasha back during the 16-17 season.
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...who's been declared the second best high-flyer in history after Midori Ito and who is much better and more proportionally developed than rapidly growing and leaning Anna. Wow.
This is what I mean... :yes::gclap:
~180 pre and <90 less visible and more fluent post. 4T was nice but the blade made a visible bow on ice, unlike this one.
After initial happiness, I'm asking myself how much should I pray for those thin bones till August... :hopelessness:
I suspect she has very strong heart and lungs in that tiny body of hers. I'm more concerned about the skeleton with the absence of proportional muscle mass. There is not much to do here though, apart from waiting for nature to do it's work.
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It just doesn't make any sense! It didn't a year ago. It still doesn't.
Before the 19/30 quad Lutz, Alexandra Trusova had a 19/30 triple Lutz in a competition. And in general they were around 18/30 and visibly massive.
Anna? She's just had 15/30 3Lutzes this season that oftentimes were just barely rotated. In her latest competitions, they were 16/30 and looked better, for sure. But a week after, she has a 19/30 4Lutz? Where on earth did this come from? Seriously! I know she was improving on her triples in the past few competitions(in spite of the falls) and had been getting more height, but she was merely getting back to the level the jumps were a year ago. It doesn't make any sense that she can just pull something like this off, a week after the season ended!
Anna just doesn't make any sense to me. The 4T less than 2 years after even learning triples... small triples. And now this? Where does this come from... This has to be even more bizarre than finding out that in 2016 when TAT was talking about a girl already doing quads, it was Anna Shcherbakova.
Does she just have immense mental capabilities to... No, I just don't understand. That 4Lutz doesn't even look tough or like she's muscling through it, putting everything into it. The takeoff is very pretty. In fact, when looking at some of her competitions this season, the takeoff has looked worse than it did last season. It looked closer to what her Lutz takeoff was like during the 15-16 season. I thought that that meant that she didn't quite have the physical capabilities yet to use such a pretty takeoff for the Lutz yet and still hadn't recovered. But this quad Lutz, she suddenly has a very beautiful takeoff once again...
Well, I'll stop trying to understand. I'll just enjoy it, and pray for good health and prosperity for her.
Before the 19/30 quad Lutz, Alexandra Trusova had a 19/30 triple Lutz in a competition. And in general they were around 18/30 and visibly massive.
Anna? She's just had 15/30 3Lutzes this season that oftentimes were just barely rotated. In her latest competitions, they were 16/30 and looked better, for sure. But a week after, she has a 19/30 4Lutz? Where on earth did this come from? Seriously! I know she was improving on her triples in the past few competitions(in spite of the falls) and had been getting more height, but she was merely getting back to the level the jumps were a year ago. It doesn't make any sense that she can just pull something like this off, a week after the season ended!
Anna just doesn't make any sense to me. The 4T less than 2 years after even learning triples... small triples. And now this? Where does this come from... This has to be even more bizarre than finding out that in 2016 when TAT was talking about a girl already doing quads, it was Anna Shcherbakova.
Does she just have immense mental capabilities to... No, I just don't understand. That 4Lutz doesn't even look tough or like she's muscling through it, putting everything into it. The takeoff is very pretty. In fact, when looking at some of her competitions this season, the takeoff has looked worse than it did last season. It looked closer to what her Lutz takeoff was like during the 15-16 season. I thought that that meant that she didn't quite have the physical capabilities yet to use such a pretty takeoff for the Lutz yet and still hadn't recovered. But this quad Lutz, she suddenly has a very beautiful takeoff once again...
Well, I'll stop trying to understand. I'll just enjoy it, and pray for good health and prosperity for her.
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Alina is laughing in disbelief in the end of video!
A M A Z I N G !!!
I noticed that.
Alina must be thinking Eteri's baby girls like Anna are going to be tough to deal with.
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I watchef this video it was great to see her do that. Anna got you 12 likes and counting. Anna is like dont forget about me!
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It means all she gained after a year was height. Interesting but logical considering that she should get some muscles on her legs along growth - i.e. strength to jump more.
Well, maybe your problem is that you have preconcieved notion about how each and every skater must exert almost maximally possible for them strength to jump every triple. And therefore their quads potential depends on height of their triples greatly. Which probably the case for many skaters - but not for all. I mean most likely Anna didn't exert all her power for triples or maybe even did them in a slipshod manner or she used to rely mostly on rotation speed when doing them and applies different technique between quads and triples? It's all possible.
P.S.: or maybe Dudakov invented revolutionary new method to learn quads fast and easy during last week
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Anna had been the last skater of them all I'd have thought of and I was already an uber fan back then. Wonderful artistic girl, but a quad jumper? No way...
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Not quite true. A Lutz is more difficult to rotate than a Toe Loop. Over 6 revolutions per second on a Lutz isn't the same thing as over 6 revolutions per second on a Toe Loop. And the Lutz does seem ever so slightly faster rotated.
But the truth is, it's surprising she's gained anything at all. I'd have expected her to still be playing catch up at this point. And it wasn't certain whether she was going to reach over 6 revolutions per second - But now we can breathe a sigh of relief.
That appears to be true, indeed. But she wasn't jumping them "not close" like she was a year ago. She's struggled with rotation a bit here and there. She even fell on a Lutz lately. And she's received low GOE for her jumps. Also, the 4T a year ago wasn't a whole lot bigger than her triples at that time(When her triples actually were bigger than they've been this season).
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