Any Sasha updates?

[i love to skate]

Sasha's 3x3 is somewhere along the lines of Patrick's quad.
Let's believe it when we see it. :yes:

Well we do have a practice video of Patrick Side note: I don't think we'll see his quad in Vancouver - he is unable to train it properly.

Don't want to sidetrack the thread though - back to Sasha

 

[janetfan]

Well we do have a practice video of Patrick Side note: I don't think we'll see his quad in Vancouver - he is unable to train it properly.

Don't want to sidetrack the thread though - back to Sasha

Speaking of Sasha's edges - it is a style of skating that only Mao seems capable of matching. I mean the way Sasha appears to float over the ice at times.

If I recall, it seems there were several hundred posts here saying they prefer Mao's lighter skating to the deeper edged skating that Tat's choreo puts such emphasis on.

To say Sasha is not well received by judges just seems very unrealistic to me.
She is one of the few skaters who can afford major technical mistakes and still make a podium.

I mentioned Miki and Rachael earlier. It is a fact that when either of them make technical mistakes they slide way down in the standings. In the past that was also true of Joannie. I think her skating has reached a level now that she can make a few technical mistakes and still get decent marks.

That is the sign of a superior skater. Joannie and Sasha may be different but they both have alot of strengths the other girls don't have.

 

[Mathman]

All of this analysis of how Sasha matches up with other skaters is based on what Sasha could do in 2006.

In her Olympic LP she did 3Lz, 3F, 3Lo, 3F+2T, 3T+3S (seq), 2A, 3S. In the SP she did 3Lz+2T, 3F, 2A.

The question is not whether she floats over the ice or whether the judges like her style better than Miki Ando's. The question is whether Sasha can do half of that content now.

 

[demarinis5]

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The question is not whether she floats over the ice or whether the judges like her style better than Miki Ando's. The question is whether Sasha can do half of that content now.

Yes that is a good question. But don't' forget lately the top ladies have been medaling with 3 triple programs something I am sure Sasha is aware of.

 

[janetfan]

All of this analysis of how Sasha matches up with other skaters is based on what Sasha could do in 2006.

In her Olympic LP she did 3Lz, 3F, 3Lo, 3F+2T, 3T+3S (seq), 2A, 3S. In the SP she did 3Lz+2T, 3F, 2A.

The question is not whether she floats over the ice or whether the judges like her style better than Miki Ando's. The question is whether Sasha can do half of that content now.

OK, that is your question - and it is the right one. :yes:

Following the posts other issues were addressed which I responded too.

It is still my opinion that Sasha can be below 2006 levels and win Natls. Assuming that she actually shows up. That is another point that keeps coming up and I agree there is reason to have some doubt.

As to 2006 Sasha - she walks over them all except for Yuna and a top flight Mao.
Just my opinion and I realize it is not relevant since it is almost 2010.

But anybody who loves skating should not be hoping for Sasha to bomb. That is another point I have been addressing.

 

[Blades of Passion]

I brought up the 3-3s because Sasha said she is doing them in practice. As far as the 2006 Olympics, it really wasn't an event that was skated well so it's not a surprise she finished 2nd considering she was leading after the short. Oh, and who had the best performance in the long program and landed 6 triples? Joannie Rochette :yes:

Joannie hardly had the best performance in the Long Program at 2006 Olympics. She wasn't even the best technically.

1. Arakawa
2. Cohen

and then everyone else.

 

[i love to skate]

Joannie hardly had the best performance in the Long Program at 2006 Olympics. She wasn't even the best technically.

1. Arakawa
2. Cohen

and then everyone else.

She had the second best technical score:
1. Arakawa 62.32
2. Rochette 55.29
3. Cohen 55.22

She was the only lady to land 6 triples in the top 10. Pretty good result for someone who had finished 11th at the previous Worlds.

 

[Mathman]

But anybody who loves skating should not be hoping for Sasha to bomb. That is another point I have been addressing.

I don't think anyone is hoping that Sasha will bomb. I think the concern of the skeptics is that Sasha is fooling herself (and us, too) about her chances of getting back into competitve form this season.

 

[R.D.]

Yes. And the main problem I have with the speculation (apart from talking about her "chances" in the first place) is it's all based on stuff she could do 4 years ago, NOT on what she can do right now.

 

[janetfan]

Yes. And the main problem I have with the speculation (apart from talking about her "chances" in the first place) is it's all based on stuff she could do 4 years ago, NOT on what she can do right now.

Well if we already knew what she could do why would we be discussing this?

Sasha if nothing else has always been one of the more interesting personalities in skating imo.

What is surprising is that we seem to have a good idea of what Caroline can do and yet her thread goes on and on. :yes:

 

[chuckm]

Sasha's 3x3 is somewhere along the lines of Patrick's quad.
Let's believe it when we see it. :yes:

Patrick doesn't even have a consistent 3A, let alone a quad.

We don't even know if Sasha has a consistent lutz or flip within the context of a 4-minute FS. It's one thing to land jumps individually in practice, it's another thing to land them easily in a FS with linking steps.

Anyway, I think Sasha's 3/3 is really a 3S^3T sequence, much like Rochette's. Sasha tried that combo that several seasons ago, but had only a 50% consistency with it. And that's when she had been practicing consistently all season.

 

[Bennett]

If I recall, it seems there were several hundred posts here saying they prefer Mao's lighter skating to the deeper edged skating that Tat's choreo puts such emphasis on.

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I mentioned Miki and Rachael earlier. It is a fact that when either of them make technical mistakes they slide way down in the standings.

I don't think that Mao is light because she has shallow edges. Mao's skating looks similar to Yuka Sato's in that both look smooth, gentle and effortless. Her spirals don't indeed seem to have very deep edges. But as for the basic skating, she is gentle to the ice and doesn't do many cross over to get the speed. Everything looks so effortless that it could look kind of slow. But her ice coverage is not small.
Jeff also looks light, but has great edges. He wasn't too fast after the COP era perhaps beause he had more intricate in-betweens instead. These again looked effortless.
Regarding comparison between TAT's and Nichol's --- I assume that you are talking about steps and linkage footworks ---- Nichol's fast, light steps indeed seem to have suited Mao's style better. But I don't know if this comparison is relevant to the skater's edges quality.

Miki has had serious meltdowns that wouldn't allow any judges to give her a medal. But when she makes just a few mistakes, her standings remain fine. After all, she has medaled a lot and more often than not has gone to GPF. This season, she won two events with rather underwhelming performances. Although her reputation scores may have fluctuated due to the dramatic ups and downs, she does receive good reputation scores. Even when she had a serious meltdown at 2007 NHK, I thought that her PCS was higher than Sarah Meier's, who delivered a performance pleasant to watch. If she had been more consistent, she would have received more reputation scores. I feel that her GOEs, esp on jumps, could be higher.

 

[evangeline]

Anyway, I think Sasha's 3/3 is really a 3S^3T sequence, much like Rochette's. Sasha tried that combo that several seasons ago, but had only a 50% consistency with it. And that's when she had been practicing consistently all season.

Sasha did indeed have a 3S-3T sequence (e.g. 2006 Olympic LP) but I'm not even sure if it would count as a sequence anymore under the seemingly stricter technical calls of today--if I recall correctly, Sasha had a BIG break between the two jumps of the sequence. It might get invalidated like Joannie's at 4CC earlier this year.

 

[Iscariot]

sasha had a 3t-3s sequence in 2002 with her rachmanioff program
here at 2:20, she did a 3fl-3t thougt at the beginning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEZoyGyxsAo

 

[Iscariot]

Sasha did indeed have a 3S-3T sequence (e.g. 2006 Olympic LP) but I'm not even sure if it would count as a sequence anymore under the seemingly stricter technical calls of today--if I recall correctly, Sasha had a BIG break between the two jumps of the sequence. It might get invalidated like Joannie's at 4CC earlier this year.

actually joannie did pretty much the same combo as sasha's olympic program at skate canada and got it ratified, 3t-steps-3salchow

 

[623]

Anyway, I think Sasha's 3/3 is really a 3S^3T sequence, much like Rochette's. Sasha tried that combo that several seasons ago, but had only a 50% consistency with it. And that's when she had been practicing consistently all season.

No, it is actually triple flip triple toeloop combination.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...asha-cohen-at-her-word-when-cohen-announ.html

I have a month until Skate America. I am able to resume my training full-on right now. I think it should be good. My triple-triple (flip-toe) is really close.

 

[katha]

I thought Cohen was with both Nicks and RA? At least that's the last I heard...So her talking about her training with him would make sense even in recent interviews, since she seems to be splitting her time between the two coaches?

 

[Wicked]

I don't think anyone is hoping that Sasha will bomb. I think the concern of the skeptics is that Sasha is fooling herself (and us, too) about her chances of getting back into competitve form this season.

I would love to see Sasha get into competitive form and skate. But I would hate to see her try to compete if she's not in proper form. Luckily, I think she's smart enough (for all our sakes!) not to try it unless she's in tip top shape. To see her go out there and bomb would seriously hurt my heart.

 

[Mathman]

Anyway, I think Sasha's 3/3 is really a 3S^3T sequence....

No, it is actually triple flip triple toeloop combination.

I have a month until Skate America. I am able to resume my training full-on right now. I think it should be good. My triple-triple (flip-toe) is really close.

I think ChuckM is talking about what Sasha realistically might put into her program. I think the quote from Sasha about how "close" she was back then was mostly public relations.

 

[Mathman]

^ Hey, what happened to "the suckage that is the GP?"

OT, but we really are suckers to be interested in the Grand Prix when the skaters themselves care so little about it that they can't be bothered to show up at the finals.