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which boards i would like to looks..just interesting
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Oxade - That is so good to hear. There is so much praise for Russian skaters and teams here, I had imagined there wasn't any praise for nonRussians in Russia. I was wrong.
Joe
WOW, it is like hearing from some Americans question like " Do they ride bears in Russia?"
Believe me, while there is a bias and everyone wishes their own athletes win, there is a lot of love for foreign skaters. Especially, when you can not deny the talent. Del/Shoes has huge cheer group, Pechalat has some really persistent group of supporters. During Kwan/Slutskaya era, there was huge group who was rooting for Kwan, and Sasha Cohen probably had the biggest fan club in Russian internet.
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You have a way with demonstrative words. Riding Bears in Moscow???? Why, we have American Grizzlies. Now, enough sarcastic nonsense.
Cheering in all Arenas is high for all skaters. Some of us love the sport and respect all skaters so cheers go up for ALL not just fan sections. I've been in Tokyo, Moscow, Dortmund, and in all the arenas there is cheer for everyone. What exactly were you trying to get at with that statement. It's what's in a person's heart, I was talking about, not cheering fans in arenas.
Also, in that same post, I admitted I was wrong. Could you ever admit you are wrong?
Joe
We are not discussing the arena crowds here where majority of people have a very basic knowledge about this sport. I am talking about figure skating fans who discuss the sport in internet chat rooms and boards, just like we do here.
My sarcastic nonsense was directed at your amusement by the fact that Russian figure skating fans can enjoy and root for someone else other then Russian ones. I find these kind of comments a little offensive and ignorant. Mind you, I am not saying that you are, I am saying that those comments sound like one.
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I think that's an incredibly important distinction to make. In the states, if we go by "the public", we get disasters such as when the public was allowed to vote in the Fall cheesefest, resulting in very much under-prepared Kwan winning over fabulous Cohen, and the very strong Savoie (judges' favorite) not even making it to the second round.
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I take exception to the idea that people in the arenas at ISU Championship events have only a basic knowledge of skating. To go to Moscow, Dortmund, and Tokyo takes a major commitment of time and money, except for the locals (money), and people don't spend that kind of (vacation) time and money, on the whole, to go to a city and spend day after day in an arena, especially watching 40+ Ladies' SP's (and in the recent past, 40+ Ladies qualis).
A cheezefest has a more casual audience -- with a core of die hard skating fans -- like Stars on Ice and Champions on Ice.
A cheezefest has a more casual audience -- with a core of die hard skating fans -- like Stars on Ice and Champions on Ice.
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Practically all of Russia's international FS events take place in Moscow or Petersburg. Both cities have ample "native" population. I don't think there are too many out-of-town locals there; even if there are, there are always a million reasons for Russians to visit their capitals.
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I was in Moscow in 2005 with a rather large group, and we were only one of five tours from North America. That didn't include the groups who had travelled from Japan, France, Great Britain, and Switzerland, as well as a number of people from FSU from Western Europe who made their own arrangements. There also seemed to be small pockets from Ukraine, based on what a Ukranian speaker I met said, and some from China, although it was hard to tell whether or not they were organized groups, since they tended to be small. There were also pockets of people from Spain and Italy, as well as the North Americans who travelled on their own.
From what I've been told, there were many more groups in Japan. That doesn't surprise me, because I know a number of people who gave up after they saw the visa form for Russia and realized they'd have to send their passport off for up to a month.
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Hockeyfan, I though the discussion was about the attending fans from the country where the competition is taking place. The whole point of the argument was that the local audience may be rooting for local athletes more than that country's fans at large. Since there is no special reason why American or Japanese audience members would cheer for Russian athletes just because they're Russian, I do not see your point changing the argument here.
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oxade21 wrote "We are not discussing the arena crowds here where majority of people have a very basic knowledge about this sport. I am talking about figure skating fans who discuss the sport in internet chat rooms and boards, just like we do here."
oxade21 didn't argue that arena crowds were partisan because they were local, but that they "have a very basic knowledge about this sport." I would argue against that point vehemently, based on my experience at years of attending ISU championship events.
oxade21 didn't argue that arena crowds were partisan because they were local, but that they "have a very basic knowledge about this sport." I would argue against that point vehemently, based on my experience at years of attending ISU championship events.
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True, except that the whole conversation was about the Russian fans and who they tend to cheer for.
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I did write that 'I was wrong' to believe that Russian fans all root for the same skaters. My only rationale was this forum and nothing to do with arenas. It's been pointed out to me that in forums in Russia there is diversification in opinions..
Joe
I just wonder how many Russian fans like skaters/teams who are competitive with Russian skaters/teams. I doubt very much that Belbin/Agosto have much of a fan base in Russian audiences or on Russian discussion boards.
It's easy for Russian fans to love DelShoes because they are another top European team, but they aren't much of a threat to DomShabs.
I'm sure Denkova/Staviiski had Russian fans---but then Max is Russian.
It's easy for Russian fans to love DelShoes because they are another top European team, but they aren't much of a threat to DomShabs.
I'm sure Denkova/Staviiski had Russian fans---but then Max is Russian.
There has been a lot of talk of conspiracy/collusion/fixing, especially at the latest GPF event. I heard cries of the Russian conspiracy (in dance), the Asian conspiracy (in the SP's), the European conspiracy (in the LP's), etc. So I thought it'd be interesting to sit down and look at the hard statistics, and figure out for individual skaters/teams, how consistent their scoring was across the GP season. 
I did this for Caroline Z, whose scoring I've paid the most attention to throughout the season. What I discovered was rather shocking: she was judged extremely consistently in the 3 GP events, in terms of spiral/spin/ss levels and GOE's, jump calls/GOE's, and even PCS. My prediction for her clean SP score, based on previous GP's, was almost spot on with her actual score, and my prediction for her clean LP score was just 2 points lower than the actual score (had she skated clean), and those 2 points came mainly from a rise in the PCS, which I also thought was correct, because she skated with more speed and confidence than previously.
This is only one skater in one discipline, so while this consistency is really quite remarkable, I'd love to see how consistently other skaters/teams have been scored. It's a lot of work going through the protocols in detail, but I'm sure that some of you do lavish this kind of attention on your favorites as I do on mine.
So I would love to hear what you discovered in this regard for your faves.
I anticipate that there will be lots of discussion of GPF results, so I opened a new thread on this topic in the GPF area, so as not to spoil the fun of those who have yet to watch the ESPN broadcast. Please post your thoughts there! I look forward to hear what you found.
I did this for Caroline Z, whose scoring I've paid the most attention to throughout the season. What I discovered was rather shocking: she was judged extremely consistently in the 3 GP events, in terms of spiral/spin/ss levels and GOE's, jump calls/GOE's, and even PCS. My prediction for her clean SP score, based on previous GP's, was almost spot on with her actual score, and my prediction for her clean LP score was just 2 points lower than the actual score (had she skated clean), and those 2 points came mainly from a rise in the PCS, which I also thought was correct, because she skated with more speed and confidence than previously.
This is only one skater in one discipline, so while this consistency is really quite remarkable, I'd love to see how consistently other skaters/teams have been scored. It's a lot of work going through the protocols in detail, but I'm sure that some of you do lavish this kind of attention on your favorites as I do on mine.
So I would love to hear what you discovered in this regard for your faves.I anticipate that there will be lots of discussion of GPF results, so I opened a new thread on this topic in the GPF area, so as not to spoil the fun of those who have yet to watch the ESPN broadcast. Please post your thoughts there! I look forward to hear what you found.
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Ladies
FS: BUL, ITA, ROU, RUS
SP: AUT, CAN, CHN, TPE, EST, GER, HUN, KOR, SVK, SWE, SUI, UKR Note: No USA, JPN!
There seems to never be a USA judge at worlds in the ladies event -_-
FS: BUL, ITA, ROU, RUS
SP: AUT, CAN, CHN, TPE, EST, GER, HUN, KOR, SVK, SWE, SUI, UKR Note: No USA, JPN!
There seems to never be a USA judge at worlds in the ladies event -_-
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Since I am fairly new to all this I wondered if someone could direct me to the GP forum ..... thanks
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