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Does breathtaking skating make you cheer or cry?

dlgpffps

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Hey everyone,

I was gleaning the Mao forum for Japanese Nationals news when I came across this: "Let’s face it, no one has a more charming, disarming smile than Mao Asada. All of Yu-Na’s dark, dramatic, divaness is no match for the megawatt power of Mao’s beautiful, beaming smile!! Yu-Na Kim might make the audience jump up and cheer, but I think only Mao can leave the audience speechless and in tears."

I don't want any Kim vs. Asada catfights. I've had enough of those, really (and I really love both skaters. I despise those silly bot fights). I'm actually curious as to what you guys think of this skating fan's comments. What's the biggest difference between Yu-Na and Mao? Can this difference be applied to the greater skating field? Are there two different groups of skaters? The ones that make you jump to your feet to root for them and the ones that reduce you to tears? If so, which skaters fall under each category? Rather, which specific performances? Is the demarcation actually very faint, and does brilliant skating accomplish both?

Are the big stylistic "camps" of ladies' figure skating "divaness" and"beauty and grace"? Is one to be valued over the other? Or is that a product of figure-skating-stereotyping -- the whole ladies skaters should be in pastel colors, gliding on the ice to soft ballet music?

I actually thought Mao would fall under the cheer "category", as her skating is an amazing feat of athleticism centered around jumps (the dominating thought is "will she successfully execute that 3A?"). Of course, that's not to say that her performance is just that; it's so much more, but no one can deny that key to her performance is that single jump, the 3A. I was jumping all over my living room when I saw her 2008 GPF LP (she became the first lady to ever land two 3As in one program. Simply mind-boggling). Kim's performances have reduced me to tears, not so much because the content itself was touching (it still was, but that wasn't the only factor), but because of the context of the performance (the 2007 World FS, the amazing "Lark Ascending", which is arguably the most emotion-evoking of her programs. Such a lyrical, graceful, delicately beautiful piece. Kim started out so strong, but eventually fell twice because of her injury. I thought her gold was fixed until she fell. She was just so beautiful that I cried.) Her success story is also touching. This is a skater who considered quitting after her junior world champion gold because she couldn't afford to skate. The mind-boggling talent almost came to an abrupt end because she could never get decent boots. I actually cried while watching a documentary named after that program, "Lark Ascending."

Well OK enough of my ranting. What do you guys think?
 
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Cheer: Elena Leonova, Evan Lysacek, Delobel and Schoenfelder, Irina Slutskaya, Emily Hughes, Fusar-Poli and Margaglio, Chait and Sakhnovsky.

Cry: Gordeeva and Grinkov, Yuka Sato.

Laugh: Scott Hamilton, any French male skater. :rock:
 
As much as I enjoy skating, it has never made me cry. Cheer, perhaps :clap:, but never cry...
 
I don't think I have cried when watching skating - I am more of a complainer :laugh:

I think the worst I ever felt watching skating was back in 1980 at the Lake Placid Olympics when Randy and Tai had to withdraw from the Pairs competition due to his injury.

They had a real shot at a Gold or Silver medal and I still remember Tai crying her heart out after the warmups when Randy told her he couldn't skate the LP that evening.

Maybe the closest I came to shedding a few tears was towards the end of "Fields of Gold" when I saw Michelle had teared up and how the crowd was cheering so loudly for her.

I cheer for almost all skaters and when I see a really good, heartfelt performance it makes me feel good. I really have only felt that once this season and that was for Akiko at the GPF.
 
I think I cry more than cheer. Tara's winning lp made me cry, many of Sasha's performances, shen and zhao gordeeva and gringov, tanith and Ben made me cry with tosca last year. But I cheer for Evan, for mclaughlin and brubaker, for Mao for Joannie. I never really thought about this before. Interesting.
 
I both cry and cheer for Mao Asada's performances.
Mao has such a deep, pure love for skating that permeates everything she does on the ice. In particular, this season, how she continues and how she is fighting despite the massive wave of critics hounding her and her disappointing placements during the GP circuit. Mao's programs have a do-it-or-die-trying attitude that is pretty inspirational. Not only her jumps but the overall quality of her skating--spin positions, spread eagles, spiral positions--is breathtaking, as not many skaters can achieve those kind of moves without loosing their balance.

For me, Yu-Na is more under the cheer category because her skating is fast and her jumps are so high and thrilling that it gets your blood pumping. To be honest, and I'm probably going to get mauled online for saying this, Yu-Na's skating just doesn't move me emotionally. I feel like her choreography is emotional, but not her actual skating. Especially this season's programs, they just seem a bit show-offy to me. So I've cheered for her, but never cried. :)
 
Personally, I find Mao's subtle and graceful moves to be a thing of beauty.
Yu-Na is very expressive in her skating but frankly I do not think I will cry over her performances. Only a few performances have made me cry; some over just pure happiness a la Mao's lp at 2007 World and others of just the pure beauty of the program like Shen and Zhao (nutcracker and turandot).
 
I've only been moved to tears, really, by one skater: Scott Hamilton... twice. His return to the ice after his battle with cancer in 1997, and his retirement from touring in 2001.

there are a ton of skaters that make me cheer

and many who give me goosebumps.
 
Cheer: Elena Leonova, Evan Lysacek, Delobel and Schoenfelder, Irina Slutskaya, Emily Hughes, Fusar-Poli and Margaglio, Chait and Sakhnovsky.

Cry: Gordeeva and Grinkov, Yuka Sato.

Laugh: Scott Hamilton, any French male skater. :rock:

I'm with you on G & G and Yuka for "cry." Of all people, Elvis Stojko once made me cry; I think it was the 1994 Worlds, where he was badly injured and won the gold anyway. Michelle Kwan also made me cry during that competition. She was thirteen and just about had to carry the future of U.S. ladies skating on her back, because only she and Bobek were at the competition, and Bobek was somewhere way down the ladder. Kwan, coming in eighth, assured two places for U.S. ladies at the following year's Worlds (including, as it turned out, one for Bobek).

I also agree that Mao is more likely to make me cry than YuNa, though I love both of them. There's something aloof about YuNa, whereas Mao has an endearing quality. Partly it's her smile, partly her intrepid, graceful, airy skating. If she does well later this season, I'll use Kleenex bigtime!

I don't know where Browning fits. He's unparalleled to me, and I can't fit him in either category, cheer or cry. I know: he makes me stop breathing. Or he makes me feel as though I'm defying gravity just by watching him.
 
It really depends on the context and the nature of the programme. In my case, I think more cry than cheer.

I haven't cried watching a programme yet though (moved, yes). Katia's tribute and Michelle's Fields of Gold EX came close though.

I just might come Olympics though. If Shen/ Zhao or Virtue/ Moir deliver a perfect FS/ FD, I think I will sob from joy. Those programmes have what it takes to be truly magical imo.
 
Beautiful thread...

All's I know is that if I were to skate before God, I would want to be Oksana Baiul as the "Dying Swan". To show Him all my love, joy, beauty, life, deep appreciation, everything.

An honorable mention ~ Janet Lynn in "Blue Danube".

"Many skaters attempt new & different kinds of music, but I believe that there is no replacement for the classics, there is no substitute for beauty" -- Toller Cranston
 
I never cry except whan I'm angry.
However I do get near to crying with some performances. I agree with dlgpffps on the difference between Yu-Na and Mao - they are amazing skaters but in very different ways.

My biggest cry skaters: Yu-Na Kim, Stéphane Lambiel, Shizuka Ararkawa, Shen & Zhao,

My biggest cheer skaters: Mao Asada, Thomas Verner, Totmianina & Marinin, Kerr & Kerr

Some skaters make me both cry and cheer, depending on the program:
Brian Joubert, Alexei Yagudin, Anissina & Peizerat

My biggest cry performances:
Delobel & Schoenfelder: The Piano Lesson
Stéphane Lambiel: Poeta
Brian Joubert: 1492

My biggest cheer performances:
Daisuke Takahashi: Swan Lake
Brian Joubert: Rise
Evegni Plushenko: The Godfather (at 05 Euros)
 
Kwan's exhibition at the 2002 Olympics is definitely #1 for making me cry. Such a delicate, soul-baring, exquisite performance.
 
I've only cried for two figure skating performances:

A flawless Shen/Zhao Turandot; and Alexei Yagudin at the 2002 Winter Olympics (after his LP and locked Gold).

Most of the other times when I see an amazing performance, I am simply calm in awe, as my breath has been taken away. So I'm neither cheering nor crying, just trying to fully take in what I've just seen.

Crying is pretty rare for me when it comes to sporting events. I've also cried for that...German weightlifter at the Beijing Summer Olympics. His wife had recently died and he had promised her he would win a Gold. It was quite amazing. He came back from behind to win.

Also, when I first saw a video of Secretariat winning the Belmont. That made me cry. I'm not sure why.

I love both YuNa and Mao, but neither has made me cry (yet).
 
I think it's because we know we will never see another performance like that as long as we live. :rock: :clap: :cry:
Perhaps. :) He is one of the most magnificent creatures I've ever seen. I actually find his Preakness run even more thrilling, but the separation in the Belmont was incredible.
 
Nice topic :)
I agree with many of you.
G/G made me cry several times when I watched Vicalise program.
Yagudin's OGM performance in LP made me cry of happiness for him.
Michelle's Fields of gold made me almost cry with her in the end.
V/M performance of Mahler made me cry at SC this year.
And of course many of Sasha's performances like her Rahmaninov LP,Swan lake and R&J.
Also Sale/Peletier made me cry at Olympics after LP.
Also I was close to crying over Caroline Zhang Ave Maria.
Neither Yuna nor Mao made me cry yet. But Mao has more of a chance.

And many skaters make me cheer for them: Davis&White, Yuna, Sotnikova, Sasha Cohen, Plushenko(sometimes), Rochet(sometimes) Kostner, Nagasu, Berezhnaya/Siharulidze, Totmjanina/Marinin, S/Z and some others.
 
I still remember the news photo of Secretariat's jockey looking over his shoulder and not seeing anyone there. Yes, once in a millenium....!

The skaters in the upcoming Olympics who stand the greatest chance of moving me to tears are Shen and Zhao. Interesting to realize that in 2002, they were the least artistic of the top three couples. Their throws were breathtaking, but their approach seemed businesslike at best. And then they "got" it! I would have sworn that such artistic depth can't be taught, but plainly it can be learned. From about 2003 on, they were the pair that gave me the most delight. I hope they can summon that up one more time, for our sakes as well as theirs.
 
The closest I have come to tears is when Alexei won OGM in 2002, and when Michelle skated to Fields of Gold in Salt Lake City.

Yu-Na Kim hasn't moved me to tears, but she has left tingles up my spine with the quality of her skating.
 
I've never equated tears to great performance.

If the skater wanted people to cry at the end of her/his performance, sure, maybe we can say tears = great. But there are lots of programs that haven't been designed to make people cry. For example, no matter how astoundingly Akiko skates, nobody's going to cry at the end of her Westside Story LP. It's just not that kind of program -- it's a fun energetic program.

Great to me is a program that can move me emotionally -- whether it's sorrow/grief, thrill, excitement, joy, etc.
 
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