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Andrew didn't get marks for 4CC
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Really?
When did he attain it for last year's then. If he got his qualifying score in the 2014-15 season, he is still eligible.
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What? Andrew already has them. He didn't need to earn them again.
It was Jordan who missed the 4CC LP mark (he got the SP mark in Poland).
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Yes sorry get those boys all confused. Andrew is very good
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Yes very interesting results from UAE where remarkably Pasfield managed to get scores with not even an attempt at triple. I'm sure Australia will do really well against the likes of Edmunds and Gold with a 17 year old Junior without an attempt at triple who got marks at the last minute at a questionable competition in the UAE. Come on people!
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I'm in two minds about skaters who barely meet the minimum technical jumping requirements, and are rewarded with international assignments.
On the one hand it is great to send skaters overseas for the experience and the exposure. On the other hand, it may sew seeds of concern in international judges minds that a country sending these skaters simply isn't competitive with the rest of the field. This can only set them up for ongoing disappointment.
Having said this, Pasfield does indeed have two different triples (salchow and loop) which I saw her land in practice at Nationals in December. So, maybe it was a strategic decision on the part of her team to skate clean and earn the minimum TES instead of upping the ante and risk not making it. She is a very well rounded skater in terms of spins, steps, linking elements, interpretation, etc.
These tactics can work both ways, but knowing a lot of the skaters, their coaches and parents, they all have different goals and pathways.
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Im shocked that the scores attained from the competition in Abu Dhabi actually count. Surely not everyone was aware of this. Otherwise why didn't Chantelle Kerry and Jordan Dodds go ??
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OMG their protocols are very interesting to say the least. Is this really count? :shocked:
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Probably because they just all went to Poland plus it seems to be a very in house situation with Susan Lynch & Maureen Sumner really pushing this comp and all her skaters doing well. pasfield also trains occassionally with Sumner and her Dad Michael has lots of connections in Asia with shows. Seems to be more of a social event than serious comp with what appears to be same panel in every level.
Not sure why you are shocked that's scores from Abu Dhabi comp count? It is an ISU event on the ISU calendar so the judging and technical panels have to comply with ISU rules for it to be an international competition. Also there are further ISU requirements on the number of skaters and members per event for it to be counted as an International event to obtain min tes for championship events. This is the same criteria for any other competition on the ISU calendar. Abu Dhabi comp happen to cover these requirements.
Why is the Abu Dhabi comp viewed "questionable"?
Who knows why Chantelle and Jordan did not go. Could it be that the ISA policy cutoff date for obtaining 4cc score to fill quota is 18 Jan which was after Torun but before Abu Dhabi comp? Why was the cutoff date 18 Jan when you have 21 days before the start of 4cc to obtain tes (ISU rule). Is it now fair to send Katie to 4cc? Could Abu Dhabi have been a better option for Chantelle and Jordan if they had the opportunity to choose?
I think the focus should be on ISA on how they are going to deal with this in a fair and transparent way. Either way not everyone is going to be happy. Changing the cutoff date is obviously going to benefit a particular skater. Surely ISA can't be seen to change policies to suit particular skater? The positive for Katie which no one can take away is she has the min tes for junior worlds and 4cc for next season.
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All of the skaters concerned for 4CC had multiple opportunities to get marks throughout the year. Katie got lucky and has obviously had some great advice. We all know some get more support to achieve goals than others. Who knows they may send her to junior worlds instead of Kailani! It's interesting that nothing has been updated by ISA since before nationals - if there is a spare spot at 4cC why not send her. The proof will be in the pudding in that field anyway!
Well a decision would have been made on Katie's entry as the 4cc entry deadline was yesterday. That is assuming if offered the position she would take it. So I expect we will have to wait for the ISU entry list to see if Katie is included because ISA aren't going to widely publish that they have changed their policy for the benefit of one skater. I don't begrudge Katie's inclusion into the team, just circumstances around the selection and fairness to other skaters.
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Very true but I hope Katie gets to go as probably will be only chance with some strong skaters coming up
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why do you say this ?
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I have no ill intention toward any skaters. But whatever the scores judges threw out here are not legit at all to count. I might misinterpret that the other poster said it counted for minimum TES for 4CC (or Worlds).
I like watching small competitions because you can see more skaters who actually show the joy of skatings. But looking at those score sheets sometime buffles you to no end.
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Yes at this competition the marking was erratic. Some of the european skaters were marked very hard.
Quite a statement, not sure who the strong skaters are that you mention other than Holly and she is a good few years away from senior competition. No one in junior at Aus Nationals was anywhere near Kailani.
