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Gracie Gold's Triple-Triple-Triple

But this is repeating four different triples. You're only allowed to repeat two.

Yep, she could do...
3Z/3T/3R
3F/3T
3S/3R
2A
2A
2Z (lol)

So really that combo just gives her an opportunity to add a 2Z as the next best point getting jump. Doesn't seem worth it when you think how winded she would be at the end of a program with that content.
 
I forgot that was even a rule.

And the question mark at the end of the "joke" jump list was about that layout not a question about what jump could be next.
 
Maybe she will hand in her protocol as 3l3t3lp> so it isnt counted as a triple but gets 2/3 bv :laugh:
 
Yep, she could do...
3Z/3T/3R
3F/3T
3S/3R
2A
2A
2Z (lol)

So really that combo just gives her an opportunity to add a 2Z as the next best point getting jump. Doesn't seem worth it when you think how winded she would be at the end of a program with that content.

I'd have to look up the point values, but wouldn't she be better off point wise repeating a 3-Lutz for her final jump, and just doing a 2-Toe after the flip?
 
I'd have to look up the point values, but wouldn't she be better off point wise repeating a 3-Lutz for her final jump, and just doing a 2-Toe after the flip?

Yep, or doing a 2T at the end of the three jump combo. Which is why the combo is pointless under a system that doesn't (but should) reward combinations.
 
Her jumps are spectacular. Technique, height, distance, rotation, speed in and out. It wouldn't even matter if the rest of her skating was sloppy as heck, which it isn't, if she can keep going at the pace she's set this year she will always be a factor.
 
The USFSA should do something! This is the time to make a move for Gracie in preparation for the Olympic games! I love the other US Skaters, but I really believe she could be the one (with Matrix moves hehehee) that would propel US skating back on the world stage, together with Alissa.
 
If you have IN, the midwestern sectionals are up, and Gracie's SP and LP can be seen. She skated last in the SP and 3rd to last in the LP.

The protocols show she got level 3 on the step, level 4 on one spin, level 3 on the other spins. She landed 6 triples, including one of each less the axle, a 3lz3t, a 2A3t, and fell on a double axel.

The only two skills that looked a little weak were her Ina bauer and her I spin (and there's no reason at all to do an I spin if yours isn't good).
 
Faster, Stronger, Higher, isn't that the motto that atheletes live by? Only in skating are your abilites limited by stupid rules.

Assuming that Gracie skates lights out at nationals how awesome would it be if the USFSA assigned her to worlds. In my 35 years with the sports this has never happened. It would certainly put the pressure on the senior ladies.

Does anyone know why she isn't doing seniors? I don't see any advantage to her doing juniors. There doesn't seem to be any glory in being a junior champion in anything.
 
I say let her develop emotionally at her own pace. Let her enjoy the process without strapping her with pressure and expectations. Apparently she didnt start skating till age 8. This is a marathon not a race. Hate to see skaters burnt out and overly criticised by the tender age of 18.
 
Does anyone know why she isn't doing seniors? I don't see any advantage to her doing juniors. There doesn't seem to be any glory in being a junior champion in anything.

She didn't make it in Juniors last year. She was struggling with consistency last year at Mids (4 falls) and her team made the decision to continue working through her technical issues at the Junior level this season. There are PLENTY of reasons to stay Junior:
1) work through technical inconsistencies under less stressful circumstances
2) gain a positive reputation as Junior National Champion versus being say 5th in Seniors and get a likely berth to Junior Worlds as Junior National Champion
3) develop a good International reputation with berth and great skate to Junior Worlds
4) people are already nitpicking her "Juniorish" IN, CH, and PE.

She will not be assigned to Senior Worlds from Juniors at Nationals. It just wouldn't happen based on the way USFS does things. The length of program is different and the grading on a curve for PCS is different between Junior and Senior. Her PCS would likely drop in Seniors due to #4 above which would reduce her "splash"

She doesn't need to be a Senior this season to start making her mark internationally and with only 2 spots for Senior Worlds, she's better off as a Junior, especially if she "takes out" Lipniskaya, Tuktamisheva, and/or Sotnikova at JWs this year since all three have been proclaimed as the next big thing.
 
Gracie Gold's 3-3-3 really is a beauty! All jumps look fully rotated, wow. Good for her, and I'm glad to hear she is pacing herself and not forcing a plunge into the Senior ranks before she is fully ready.
 
I think even with < and << the jump is still counted as a triple because it was an attempt.

Yes.
The very first year or two of the new system they counted downgrades as the lower-value jump, but then there was a problem with a downgraded quad being counted as a triple, leading to too many triple toes in a program and throwing out one of the triple jump passes, which was not the intention, so they started using the < sign to note

And then a couple years ago they introduced the < vs. << distinction so that triples between 90 and 180 degrees short still ended up being worth more than doubles.

However, there's still no scoring advantage to doing a downgraded (<<) triple vs. doing an intentional double. If anything there's a disadvantage because it requires negative GOE whereas an intentional double is likely to earn 0 or positive GOE.

So if you know that your jump is going to be at least 180 degrees short, you also know that you're going to lose points by trying it. If you're able to rotate it, or come closer than 180, at least half the time in practice, then it's a risk worth taking.

Otherwise, the only reason to try a jump in competition that you expect to be downgraded would be for practice, making it that much more likely you'll be able to land it when it counts next year or whenever in the future you develop the skill to rotate it fully or close enough -- assuming that time ever comes.

If the results of this competition are important and you are pretty sure the jump is going to be downgraded, it would be throwing away points to try it.

(I'm not talking about Gold specifically, but general strategy for jumps that aren't quite ready for prime time yet.)
 
Aaaaahhhh.....i was joking around :) Very aware of the ur/dg rules. Just trying to add some comedy.
 
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She is an all around skater, with the beauty, charisma, super skating skills, technique, good choreography, excellent spins, regal, classy etc etc.

She has the "IT" factor!

I am so excited for Junior Worlds :) It's going to be a battle between Adelina, Elizaveta, Gracie and Julia!
 
When and where is Junior Worlds this year? How can we watch it? Will Universal Sports cover it? The Junior Ladies competition looks really interesting.
 
When and where is Junior Worlds this year? How can we watch it? Will Universal Sports cover it? The Junior Ladies competition looks really interesting.

For me, Jr. Worlds is the most exciting competition this season on the ladies side. The competitors are the first generation of skaters who trained under the new system from the beginning of their careers and it shows.
 
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