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Help me choose new blades

Casey

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https://imgur.com/a/xy9HGT3

So I compared my "Pattern 99" (Paramount 27) blades to MK Professionals, and was alarmed at the results shown in the linked image. Note that the Professionals are only 1/4" shorter than the 27's, so very close in length.

I have never liked the Pattern 99 profile as it wrecked my spins, and was a big step down from both the Gold Star and Gold Seal blades I used before. But that's really all due to the spin rocker. The stability is not that different from the Gold Seal, while the Gold Star felt more nimble/agile. I remember the Gold Seals taking some time to adjust to, but I did my best spins ever on them once I did, centering better than I was able to on the Gold Stars. That said, the Gold Stars were 3/4" longer as the boots I had them on were too large (and I have the Haglund's deformity to prove it 😢), so I can't really make an apples-to-apples comparison.

Later when my skates with Gold Seals were stolen (😡), I replaced them with identical boots but decided to try Paramount blades (of identical length to the Gold Seals) with a Pattern 99 profile as I was really curious about it but like really deep edges and Paramount uses taller stanchions. I have always regretted that decision as my skating never recovered on them and contributed to me mostly abandoning the sport for years (to be fair, the biggest factor there was obviously myself)...

Anyways, my wife and I have recently been looking to finally buy new skates as both of ours are now 18 years old. After much deliberation, we decided to go with Avanta boots. Now it's just a matter of making a final decision on blades. I have been leaning towards returning to Gold Seals, while my wife is leaning towards Gold Stars, thinking that tho Gold Stars would feel closer to her current Professionals (as both advertise a 7' rocker) but allow for better spins and footwork. But we're both pretty undecided. We do almost certainly want traditional design all-steel blades, no more lighter-weight alternatives like the Paramounts or Revolution models.

I decided to trace our blade profiles to compare, and am alarmed at the results. My blades which we thought would be flatter due to an advertised 8' rocker are actually not as flat as the Professionals! There is a sharper curve for the spin rocker, but it is so far forward that this is nearly useless since you cannot access it without being on the toepick.

I can say from my own experience that it was easier for me to find the more pronounced sweet spot of the spin rocker on Gold Seals. My wife is also having a tough time with spins, only achieving less than half the revolutions as me, and I wonder if this explains why. I loved the Gold Stars while I had them, but the sweet spot would have been too far forward due to the misfit boots, so I imagine proper-length ones would feel considerably different, maybe even better than the Gold Seals for spins.

So clearly, the advertised rocker size doesn't seem to be what it's cracked up to be, and what seems to matter more is what's going on at the front of the blade and where under the foot the most pronounced curvature is.

Thoughts? Any similar observations? Do you think I ought to return to Gold Seals which I know worked well for me, or consider returning to Gold Stars now that the balance and feeling will be better with a proper length boot? Either seem like a relatively safe bet as I am confident I will enjoy either more than what I currently have, but should I maybe even consider other options? I love all aspects of freestyle skating, but spins most of all. My wife also is biased towards spins, due to back injury which prevents doing many jumps.
 
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https://imgur.com/a/xy9HGT3

So I compared my "Pattern 99" (Paramount 27) blades to MK Professionals, and was alarmed at the results shown in the linked image. Note that the Professionals are only 1/4" shorter than the 27's, so very close in length.

I have never liked the Pattern 99 profile as it wrecked my spins, and was a big step down from both the Gold Star and Gold Seal blades I used before. But that's really all due to the spin rocker. The stability is not that different from the Gold Seal, while the Gold Star felt more nimble/agile. I remember the Gold Seals taking some time to adjust to, but I did my best spins ever on them once I did, centering better than I was able to on the Gold Stars. That said, the Gold Stars were 3/4" longer as the boots I had them on were too large (and I have the Haglund's deformity to prove it 😢), so I can't really make an apples-to-apples comparison.

Later when my skates with Gold Seals were stolen (😡), I replaced them with identical boots but decided to try Paramount blades (of identical length to the Gold Seals) with a Pattern 99 profile as I was really curious about it but like really deep edges and Paramount uses taller stanchions. I have always regretted that decision as my skating never recovered on them and contributed to me mostly abandoning the sport for years (to be fair, the biggest factor there was obviously myself)...

Anyways, my wife and I have recently been looking to finally buy new skates as both of ours are now 18 years old. After much deliberation, we decided to go with Avanta boots. Now it's just a matter of making a final decision on blades. I have been leaning towards returning to Gold Seals, while my wife is leaning towards Gold Stars, thinking that tho Gold Stars would feel closer to her current Professionals (as both advertise a 7' rocker) but allow for better spins and footwork. But we're both pretty undecided. We do almost certainly want traditional design all-steel blades, no more lighter-weight alternatives like the Paramounts or Revolution models.

I decided to trace our blade profiles to compare, and am alarmed at the results. My blades which we thought would be flatter due to an advertised 8' rocker are actually not as flat as the Professionals! There is a sharper curve for the spin rocker, but it is so far forward that this is nearly useless since you cannot access it without being on the toepick.

I can say from my own experience that it was easier for me to find the more pronounced sweet spot of the spin rocker on Gold Seals. My wife is also having a tough time with spins, only achieving less than half the revolutions as me, and I wonder if this explains why. I loved the Gold Stars while I had them, but the sweet spot would have been too far forward due to the misfit boots, so I imagine proper-length ones would feel considerably different, maybe even better than the Gold Seals for spins.

So clearly, the advertised rocker size doesn't seem to be what it's cracked up to be, and what seems to matter more is what's going on at the front of the blade and where under the foot the most pronounced curvature is.

Thoughts? Any similar observations? Do you think I ought to return to Gold Seals which I know worked well for me, or consider returning to Gold Stars now that the balance and feeling will be better with a proper length boot? Either seem like a relatively safe bet as I am confident I will enjoy either more than what I currently have, but should I maybe even consider other options? I love all aspects of freestyle skating, but spins most of all. My wife also is biased towards spins, due to back injury which prevents doing many jumps.
Seems like you already made your mind up with the Gold Seals. Reason they are easier to spin on is the first and secondary rockers as well as the higher stanchion on the blade. Just get Gold Seals. I could go into explaining about others and some misinformation here but won't bother. I am kindly saying that you know what you want and it will benefit you both, so get those. I will say that I'm pretty shocked (as others would probably be here that gave you advice previously) that you are going with Avanta for boots, since those were not suggested as something that would be best for your foot, but if that's what you chose so be it.

Good luck! :)
 
Seems like you already made your mind up with the Gold Seals. Reason they are easier to spin on is the first and secondary rockers as well as the higher stanchion on the blade. Just get Gold Seals. I could go into explaining about others and some misinformation here but won't bother. I am kindly saying that you know what you want and it will benefit you both, so get those. I will say that I'm pretty shocked (as others would probably be here that gave you advice previously) that you are going with Avanta for boots, since those were not suggested as something that would be best for your foot, but if that's what you chose so be it.

Good luck! :)

I was open to other possibilities with the boots, but decided to try Avanta for a few reasons, some of which I shared and some of which are just based on personal feelings. There wasn't an awful lot of feedback here (not blaming that as everyone has real lives that take precedence), and when looking for critical reviews, I couldn't find anything as clearly egregious as with SP-Teri. I think at least some of the negative opinion comes from the Karen Chen incident and/or what happened with Charles Sinek, both of which were unfortunate but ultimately don't affect the construction of the boots. In the end, it's always going to be a gamble to buy something new and I felt most comfortable throwing money at. I talked to Will at Avanta at length and sent a long list of questions which they thoroughly answered in a timely fashion, which is a better experience than I had with other manufacturers. So we will give them a solid chance. I'm not sure how any fully custom boot, built on on a custom last, can be considered "not best for my foot". If quality is poor, that is one thing; but assuming the fitting is done correctly, then there really shouldn't be any "best for my foot" brand.

I ask for feedback because I sincerely want it. This was true with the boots, and is now true with the blades. Just because I ultimately make a choice that is not what somebody else suggests does not indicate that I do not consider their input seriously. I weigh any inputs I can find but then ultimately make my own decision, which is exactly what every person ought to do, IMHO.

I am really not sure about Gold Seals vs. Gold Stars vs. something else that isn't "too much blade" for my skill level that can offer a similar experience. I've shared only my personal experience so not sure what about that can be considered misinformation. If I have seemed incorrect about any statements/assumptions, then I welcome feedback about that.
 
I second @Ic3Rabbit – just get Gold Seals then.

If you're old enough to have worn Gold Seals in the early 90's or prior, then Gold Stars are actually closer to those, although not nearly as well made as they were back then.
 
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