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JGP # 2 - Rumänien

I just watched the Adam Rippon tape on YouTube & agree with Joe. He's clearly channeling Johnny Weir & no, he isn't Johnny but considering that he's only 17 I think he'll catch up. ( I, also, think we have a Jr. Ryan Bradley in Austin Kanallakan). That's one of the reasons I love to watch/follow Jr. skating.
 
It's too bad Skate Canada takes the view that Junior ladies should have flip and lutz, because the fact is few Junior ladies competing at the World level have those jumps with any kind of consistency, and not all that many Senior ladies have them, either.

Chrissy Hughes won the gold medal at JGP Roumania without the big jumps, while silver medalist Leonova had the 3F but could not land a 3L, and landed just one clean 2A out of 3 tries. Rumi Suizu's big trick is the 3T3T in her SP, but she could not land a 3L in either the SP or FS. In the FS, her only consistent triple was the 3T; she doubled the flip and the salchow.

Yet these skaters edged out Samson, who supposedly "has" a 3Z and a 3F. Myriane fell on the lutz in the SP and underrotated and doubled it in the FS; she fell on her first 3F attempt in the FS and doubled the second one. In her last few international competitions, Samson has not landed the lutz and flip with any kind of consistency at all. She gets good marks for presentation, but then she should, as she just turned 19 and most of her competitors in this event were more than two years younger.

The field at JGP ROU was weaker than the JGP USA field, because no 'superstars' such as Nagasu were on the roster. Going into the event, I thought that Samson would surely win a medal. You have to wonder if Samson would have had a better shot if she had developed a Junior FS program with jumps that she can do consistently and well.
 
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. Going into the event, I thought that Samson would surely win a medal. You have to wonder if Samson would have had a better shot if she had developed a Junior FS program with jumps that she can do consistently and well.

Not trying to be snarky... You can tweak these things all you want, but at age of 19, I'm not sure how far she can go without big jumps...
 
Not snarky, netnuts--just expressing your opinion and observations. However - if Lesley Hawker were written off at 18 or 19 - where would Canadian senior women be now? She didn't get her triples until then - and is still improving in consistency and quality....and she's now a ripe old married lady!!! lol
 
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The problem is that the Canadian junior ladies with just triple salchow and toe aren't necessarily consistent even with those jumps. Witness the entirely triple-less ( both SP and LP ) programs at the Western Challenge. You would at least expect some triples to be landed at a challenge.

Furthermore the PCS scores of those ladies is low. Even though Dana ( our junior champion) landed all her toes and salchows ( 2 of each in the long program), the most she could muster as a total score ( SP + LP) is 109.40 at nationals. And we know that national scores tend to be higher than those that would be dished out at an ISU competition. So even Dana's best effort at nationals is way behind Samson's flawed effort at this past JGP.

The problem is that our junior ladies are just not of international standard. They can't even make up their lack of jumps with stronger PCS scores.
 
All that may be true, but the fact is that age 19, Samson STILL hasn't won a JGP medal, and the likelihood now is that she won't even get another shot. From now on, the competition is only going to get deeper as the previous medalists return for their second event.

Wouldn't it be better to let some of the younger girls have the experience of international competition than to keep sending older ladies like Samson and Belair (who turns 19 later this month) who have reached the limit of their skills? Belair's 106 points may have been good for 4th at Skate America, but if Samson's 117 points couldn't win a medal, Belair is no better a prospect than Samson.
 
But they already have (well, not his GP skate, but the last summer's Liberty Open LP)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hnJYfF_Tifk

As you can see, he's not Johnny, not even close. Unfortunately.
Thanks for the youtube. That is a Morozov Adam (make him a cossack), Those arms constantly throwing up throughout his program irritate me so much. Last season with his original Russian coach he was soft on movement and jump landings. Now he pounding away a la Plushenko. OK, if you like that style, but not for me, and with that Beethoven music. horrors!!

Joe
 
Yes. But the kid has won a shiny pretty medal for doing all those horrific moves.
 
Yes. But the kid has won a shiny pretty medal for doing all those horrific moves.
That style is always a winner. Very maculine. It's typical Russian win and all Russian skaters look alike. I take my skaters to be different from each other. Johnny is not like Evan; not like Weisl, not like Todd; etc.

Russian, imo, find a mould and use it for everyone - even their ballet dancers, all look alike to me.

Do you really like the arms thrown up for every 3turn and a bracket turn? :confused:

Joe
 
Do you really like the arms thrown up for every 3turn and a bracket turn?

Have you watched Lambiel's new SP? There's no sinful Russian touch there, none. It's all the same.
 
Wouldn't it be better to let some of the younger girls have the experience of international competition than to keep sending older ladies like Samson and Belair (who turns 19 later this month) who have reached the limit of their skills? Belair's 106 points may have been good for 4th at Skate America, but if Samson's 117 points couldn't win a medal, Belair is no better a prospect than Samson.

Skate Canada did give Rika Inoda ( our novice champion who is 14 or 15 years old based on a March 2007 Canada Games profile which gives her age(14) but not her birthdate) an assignment so they are not ignoring youth. In the junior ladies BC summer skate she scored 42.84 in the short and 72.39 in the long for a total of 115.23 which is higher than what any of the junior ladies scored at the last nationals. Actually our top novices showed more promise IMO than the top juniors so picking the top novices does make sense. She is about equal with Belair's senior ladies national total of 119.63 when you consider the extra spin allowed in senior LP programs.

Of the other ladies ( other than Rika) who got assignments, Diane SZMIETT is the youngest who turns 17 later this month. Kang turns 18 in October. Kang scored a total of 118.84 in senior ladies in BC summer skate and Szmiett scored 127.50 combined in the senior ladies in the Western Ontario summer skate.

Meanwhile many of our top juniors from the last nationals ( and the top novices moving up) don't even crack 100 combined score in their summer events.

I am saying that these choices are the best we can do.
 
thank you so much nadster for such detailed information on Canadian ladies field. I really appreciate it.:):):)
 
Have you watched Lambiel's new SP? There's no sinful Russian touch there, none. It's all the same.
Do you have a link for Lambiel's new SP? Stephane is a mature seasoned skater and knows what he can do, and he is different from any other male skater
you can name. I like skaters who are unique. I don't want to sit and watch 14 boys all skating the same way. Lambiel will be different. His performances go beyond the quads. Unfortunately, I suspect Rippon will be one of the 14 ununique skaters even if he wins.

Joe
 
Adam got the Gold and he deserves it! Look at those numbers - he obviously is doing right by the judges eyes. Have you seen his edges - look at his feet.
 
Adam got the Gold and he deserves it! Look at those numbers - he obviously is doing right by the judges eyes. Have you seen his edges - look at his feet.
He's a very talented young man and the win does not surprise me, but I was't talking about the judging. He's gone into flailing arms and that does not please me. If you prefer to see that 'look ma, no hands' style, so be it. I don't. There are many ways to move the arms beside throw them up in the air to get attention. Congratulations to Rippon for becoming one of the good standard competitive free skaters.

Joe
 
Miki Ando (same coach) threw her arms around the same way and became World Champion. And Miki is always at risk for dislocating her shoulder again, every time she moves her arms abruptly like that.
 
And Miki is always at risk for dislocating her shoulder again, every time she moves her arms abruptly like that.

Looking at the way Miki performed in the Hackensack show, she doesn't seem to do it that way this year. :)
 
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According to the Skate Canada press release on the JGP in Romania, Samson apparently landed 4 triples, including the flip. :scratch: Throughout the whole competition, she only landed three triples, none of which was a flip. :confused:

http://skatecanada.ca/en/news_views/press_room/news_releases/2007/sep8.cfm

Can anyone post the url of the protocol please?

Thanks for the link to Skate Canada. I somehow believe that she hasn't reached her limit yet. Someone brought up Lesley Hawker as an example of late bloomer. Samson landed her first triple at a ripe age of 14, whereas the great Yu-na Kim mastered all the triples except A at 12. If I were a Skate Canada official, I would feel inclined to give her time to develop...
 
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