Johnny Weir article...o dear o dear

[Lilyvalley]

I think it wasn`t fair that Johnny`s PCS marks were lower than Lysacek, Plushenko, Lambiel, Chan, Takahashi and Abbott. Why? The answer for this question - because he was only the 3 number of the US team and US federation didn`t work for him.
And doesn`t anybody who writes or speaks about the Johnny`s and Lysacek`s jumps in OG see that their jumps ( and everything) were equal exept Lysacek`s 2Lo instead Johnny`s 2T?
So if Johnny was the first number of the US team and the marks were fair Johnny should be on the Olimpic podium.
( Everybody who saw the US Champ 2010 understood why Johnny was only the 3 number of the US team. They didn`t want him in the Olimpic team at all).

 

[Bluebonnet]

Oooooh, it's a dead horse. Don't you know that?

Personally, I'm so ready to say good-bye to Johnny and Evan, and move on to the new skaters who are much more skillful, powerful, artistic, all around, and exciting to watch.

 

[Jaana]

I think it wasn`t fair that Johnny`s PCS marks were lower than Lysacek, Plushenko, Lambiel, Chan, Takahashi and Abbott. Why? The answer for this question - because he was only the 3 number of the US team and US federation didn`t work for him.

Weir succeeded in his jumping, but choreographically he had an easier (actually a rather empty) programme than those mentioned above (with the exception of Plushenko of course, LOL), hence Weir´s lower PCS. For his PCS scores Weir can blame only himself...

 

[seniorita]

So their diference of marks were in choreography? how about we judge effortless jumps and beautiful edges. Weir was slower thats all , but his program had character, a meaning and he had personality, too bad these are not in pcs. Thats the problem with cOp , you can bang your head, do a squat and throw your arms in balletic so called poses and automatically you have A choreography more than others with no connection to the theme and not stepping on music. At least Plushenko doesnt have one....

 

[janetfan]

Oh dear - still the whining over the Olympics. :scratch:

I bet Evan goes to bed every night and cries himself to sleep because he single handedly destroyed skating for so many fans

Johnny went to Wilson in the off-season before the Olympics for his new programs.
He even did an interview (you can find it at: www.icenetwork.com) and promised us we would see a "brand new Johnny" paying more attention to the CoP.

We saw NO SUCH THING.

The excuses are getting beyond lame already. :disapp:

 

[seniorita]

oh dear yes because I listen the same things repeated since February

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because he single handedly destroyed skating for so many fans

I can guarantee you it was a massacre, still counting casualties

 

[Blades of Passion]

Hmm, that was weird. The forum auto-deleted my post for quoting janet's post, which had a link to icenetwork. Typing it out again without the link quoted...

Oh dear - still the whining over the Olympics. :scratch:

I bet Evan goes to bed every night and cries himself to sleep because he single handedly destroyed skating for so many fans

Johnny went to Wilson in the off-season before the Olympics for his new programs.
He even did an interview and promised us we would see a "brand new Johnny" paying more attention to the CoP.

We saw NO SUCH THING.

The excuses are getting beyond lame already. :disapp:

I'm not sure what your point is.

No, we didn't see a "brand new Johnny", but he DID tailor his training to CoP. He made sure to do all of the jumps and made sure all of his levels on spins/footwork were where they needed to be.

Johnny had better Skating Skills, Performance, and Interpretation than Lysacek did. He was not rewarded for it, plain and simple. The judges ignored what he actually did and went with pre-conceived placements. Lysacek wasn't even outstanding in the areas of Transitions/Choreography that Johnny was criticized for. The label of "all around skater" was placed on Evan, but it wasn't a correct label. He has never been and never will be a great all around skater. Consistent? Yes. Great quality? No.

 

[janetfan]

Hmm, that was weird. The forum auto-deleted my post for quoting janet's post, which had a link to icenetwork. Typing it out again without the link quoted...



I'm not sure what your point is.

No, we didn't see a "brand new Johnny", but he DID tailor his training to CoP. He made sure to do all of the jumps and made sure all of his levels on spins/footwork were where they needed to be.

Johnny had better Skating Skills, Performance, and Interpretation than Lysacek did. He was not rewarded for it, plain and simple. The judges ignored what he actually did and went with pre-conceived placements. Lysacek wasn't even outstanding in the areas of Transitions/Choreography that Johnny was criticized for. The label of "all around skater" was placed on Evan, but it wasn't a correct label. He has never been and never will be a great all around skater. Consistent? Yes. Great quality? No.

I guess it just proves that you can't go around crapping on skating officials for 4 + years and then expect to be their favorite. Do I like that? Not really. Is it the way the world works? As far as I have noticed, yes, that is the way it goes.

If you make your own bed then why bother whining about having to sleep in it? Month after month, year after year, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What is amazing to me is that Johnny and his fans are surprised by the way he was scored. It is really surprising that the "rebel" who went out of his way to PO so many in the skating establishment seems so clueless about all of this. What did he expect? What do his fans think?

That CoP suddenly made skating fair? Lord have mercy
Can I get a witness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-gVSQShRb0

 

[Blades of Passion]

Yes, let's blame the rape victim because they were wearing sexy, revealing clothing. It's all their fault.

Completely different situation but that's the line of reasoning you are employing here.

 

[janetfan]

Yes, let's blame the rape victim because they were wearing sexy, revealing clothing. It's all their fault.

Completely different situation but that's the line of reasoning you are employing here.

It might depend on our POV's - our perspective. If you read my post you might have noted I said I did NOT approve.
Understanding what might be going on in no way shows support of such actions.

Be fair, OK?

 

[bigsisjiejie]

Yes, let's blame the rape victim because they were wearing sexy, revealing clothing. It's all their fault.

Completely different situation but that's the line of reasoning you are employing here.

You're likening Johnny to a rape victim? Oh my.
While I like Johnny's skating, I do think over the last few years, he has put a little too much emphasis on pulling the tail of the tiger's establishment, and you can't be all surprised when the tiger turns and bites you...or at the very least, doesn't give you any breaks. Johnny has always had a choice in his words and actions, and sometimes, he just didn't play the system too well. Team Lysacek knows how to this, say what you will about Evan's skating.

 

[janetfan]

You're likening Johnny to a rape victim? Oh my.
While I like Johnny's skating, I do think over the last few years, he has put a little too much emphasis on pulling the tail of the tiger's establishment, and you can't be all surprised when the tiger turns and bites you...or at the very least, doesn't give you any breaks. Johnny has always had a choice in his words and actions, and sometimes, he just didn't play the system too well. Team Lysacek knows how to this, say what you will about Evan's skating.

Well said bigjj.
Perhaps blades has no idea about the difference in real life between a rape victim and Johnny's whining. We are talking about skating here and NOT a violent crime. :sheesh: :sheesh:

Good lord, what will his supporters come up with next? Johnny as a holocaust survivor? :scowl:

 

[Blades of Passion]

Sigh. It's about the logic of the reasoning behind the statement, not the situations themselves.

NOTHING that happens off the ice should affect the scores given to the competitors on the ice. It doesn't matter if you dislike something Johnny said, that has nothing to do with the performances or what the outcome of the judging should be.

Saying "I understand why Johnny was underscored" or "what did he expect after the comments he made" as if that somehow justifies the outcome of the competition, even in some small way, is bad logic.

When a kid seems depressed and you find out it's because he has been getting bullied at school, the correct response is not "oh, that's why he's depressed." The correct response is "that's no good, this should be fixed!"

This statement in particular is laughable to me:

Johnny has always had a choice in his words and actions, and sometimes, he just didn't play the system too well. Team Lysacek knows how to do this, say what you will about Evan's skating.

It's like "oh, it doesn't matter that Evan's skating is lackluster, his competition results are deserved because he campaigns better."

That's like saying Twilight is a better film than The Diving Bell and the Butterfly because it had better marketing. Or that Sandra Bullock was the Best Actress of 2009 because her films made the most money and she campaigned the best.

:sheesh: indeed

 

[Mathman]

...Sandra Bullock was the Best Actress of 2009 because her films made the most money...

Actually, I believe that might be Emma Watson. Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince grossed a billion dollars US....

...beaten only by Zoe Saldana as Naytiri te Tskaha Mo'at'ite, princess of the Omaticaya, grossing $US 1.3 billion in 2009.

Zoe = the Lysacek of filmdom.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Zoe Saldana is a great actress. I've loved her ever since her first film performance in Center Stage. (although if she had won the Oscar last year it would have been just as ridiculous as the performance Bullock won with)

I was SO happy with how 2009 went for her, delivering 2 good performances in films that each made a boatload of money and catapulted her to stardom.

 

[seniorita]

I dont believe you mention The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, I had not seen it 2-3 years ago in cinema but i had it in mind and I just watched it some weeks ago on the plane, everyboody was shocked with this movie but for me from all the despair and shocking images the movie got me something really positive and light, like hope.

Actually, I believe that might be Emma Watson. Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince grossed a billion dollars US....

...beaten only by Zoe Saldana as Naytiri te Tskaha Mo'at'ite, princess of the Omaticaya, grossing $US 1.3 billion in 2009.

Zoe = the Lysacek of filmdom.

According to your maths, so Plushenko is the half blood prince? poor Hermioneeee...

 

[Blades of Passion]

I can't believe you mentioned The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, I had not seen it 2-3 years ago in cinema but i had it in mind and I just watched it some weeks ago on the plane, everyboody was shocked with this movie but for me from all the despair and shocking images the movie got me something really positive and light, like hope.

It's one of the most inspirational films ever (and my very favorite film of 2007)! "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction": the avant-garde imagery and despair serves to let us into the immensely tragic circumstance of this man's life, so that when we see what he is able to accomplish (writing an entire novel simply by blinking his eye) it is all the more impressive and poignant.

And since Goldenskate is actually an ice skating board I should remind all of the other skaters who are reading right now to remember that physics quote - "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" - and hopefully take this piece of advice from yours truly:

Don't twist and force your body into the rotation on your jumps; that's really bad because you're just creating extra stress for your knees and ankles to absorb on the landing and/or creating extra work for your body to stop the rotation when you "check" the jump. The important thing about jumps is JUMPING, not twisting. You need to harnass the momentum created by the takeoff of the jump and "go for the ride".

 

[PolymerBob]

They posted this over at FSUniverse. Johnny will receive an award from the Human Rights Campaign. Click on Guests & Awards.

www.hrcseattle.org/dinner

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

The Diving Bell and Butterfly is a mediocrity - it's not even avant-garde imagery, it's arthouse tritness. I'm Not There or There Will Be Blood or The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford or 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days was the best film of 2007. Depending on my mood.

Back to the topic, I think the reason many bring up Wier's "off ice" performances is simply because they suspect they detract from his dedication to his on ice ones.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Arthouse triteness is a better adjective for The Assassination Jesse James (although I don't dislike the movie) as it has very good performances and excellent cinematography but doesn't ultimately say much. The scene where Robert Ford explains to Jesse James about how similar he thinks they are (a confession of how much he wants to be him) is essentially the only point of the movie and it just goes on and on to repeat that many times. The Assassination of Jesse James basically wants to be a Terrence Malick film but it never comes close to achieving Malick's amazing characterization of nature in relation to man or any of the profound insights his films constantly achieve.

I was greatly disappointed by 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days as it could have said so much about women's rights and the oppressive nature of the society the girls live in, but it just didn't. Seeing an aborted fetus is harrowing, for sure, but ultimately the mere shock of that didn't translate into all that much for me. I'm Not There was similarly disappointing. As for There Will Be Blood it's a great film for sure but it did have flaws, especially in its pacing. We could of course go on and on and on about this, though, as film is very subjective and this isn't the correct board to discuss it.

Back to the topic, I think the reason many bring up Wier's "off ice" performances is simply because they suspect they detract from his dedication to his on ice ones.

That's fine, but it still shouldn't have anything to do with evaluating the actual performance that was given on the ice. Many skaters persue school while skating and we never criticize them for *gasp* spending time doing something other than skating.