Men Short Program

[Ximena]

There are clips of interviews but almost all of them are in Russian, however, there's a video here of Johnny after the SP, but well since it's Johnny the first half is in Russian but then he switches to English

http://fsnews.ru/index-m-single-id-732.html

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

I've heard people who've seen Kozuka live complain about his presence on the ice. I was slightly underwhelmed by this short program, truth be told. I liked it better than Plushenko's program as a program, but it's hard not to be impressed by Plushenko's boldness on the ice. Kozuka comes off as timid by comparison, and I could definitely see that affecting the interpretation and p/e.

 

[SamuraiKike]

Wow, I just read the icenetwork article about the Men's short and I can't believe that for the first time I agree with everything on it:thumbsup:

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091023&content_id=7533180&vkey=ice_news

Oh and Kozuka got only level 2 on his step sequences ( I totally disagree with that) which I believe made more damage to him than his PCS which by the way were higher than Oda's, the supposed #2 japanese skater.

 

[prettykeys]

Am curious - if he had done a decent 3L what would his score have been today? Pretty close to his score in Torino?
He is obviously doing more than enough to score very well under Cop vision of skating - whether it was the '06 version or today's version.
Why should he bother to change, other than cleaning up a few things here and there when he is the apparently the ideal skater of the new scoring system?
This can be considered a rhetorical post as I do not want to sound like a big wiseguy. But if you are not happy with his score and the placements today you need to be honest and I think it goes past reputation alone.

I know you are not addressing me but I wanted to say a few things (btw, I find myself agreeing with many of your posts.)

Plushenko is one of my favourite male skaters, and I admire him a lot. In 2002 I preferred Yagudin just a bit, but it seems that Plushy's passion for skating has proven more enduring, as shown by his return and his collaboration with Edvin Marton and their famous shows.

I didn't look at the scores or analyze them, so I'm not interesting in disputing or affirming the placements. But I guess I had high expectations of Plushenko, and since he really has nothing more to achieve on his resume, I would love to see him expand and grow because winning tournaments should no longer be his endpoint. I see him as one of the few skaters these days that can push athletic limits and artistic depths, so why settle for something that just wins? :frown2: I love him!

 

[formersk8ter]

BTW, Kozuka deserved to win the SP. This guy is amazing. He is currently quite underrated in terms of his artistry. I got chills during his SP.

I love Kozuka, but I respectfully disagree.

His footwork was a bit sluggish, jumps looked a little loose, and more than that, I don't buy him as a hard rocker at all! To each his own, I guess. I loved his "Take Five" SP, but this one leaves me meh.

Plushy, on the other hand, compelled me to watch him from start to finish, couldn't take my eyes off of him. I was all ready to laugh at his sit spins, but I've never seen such good ones out of him. Huge improvement. He just commands the ice in a way no one else does.

 

[Spun Silver]

In 2002 I preferred Yagudin just a bit, but it seems that Plushy's passion for skating has proven more enduring, as shown by his return and his collaboration with Edvin Marton and their famous shows.

This seems a bit unfair. I have the impression Alexei would give years off his life to return to competitive skating, but his beaten-up body won't let him. He seems to skate in shows whenever he can. I can't believe his passion for skating is less than Plushenko's.

Which is not to deny that Plushenko's return in such great shape is amazing.

 

[Buttercup]

Plushenko is one of my favourite male skaters, and I admire him a lot. In 2002 I preferred Yagudin just a bit, but it seems that Plushy's passion for skating has proven more enduring, as shown by his return and his collaboration with Edvin Marton and their famous shows.

OT - Actually, it's Plushenko's hip that has proven more enduring. Yagudin wrecked his body trying to skate competitively, and was forced to retire - though he continues to do many shows; I for one am happy none of his work is with Marton . Yagudin actually had hip replacement surgery a couple of years ago in the hope of getting back to a higher level of skating. In the end he had to face the fact that it would not happen. But at least his career, while cut short, was a really amazing one.

 

[*Sniper*]

I don't know about placement, but I was left feeling underwhelmed by Evgeni also. Perhaps rustiness or being out of training for a while left him a bit sapped for energy during his step sequence (so it's understandable)...but he's still doing that thing where he packs all his jumps in at the very beginning of the program with deadspace in between them.

With nothing left to prove, and no missing golds, I wish he'd found more motivation to experiment artistically rather than doing the tactical thing.

Kozuka - what a charming performance.

A question: would that possibly have anything to do with the current state of the Russian figure skating, at least the men's singles?

Since Plushy's Torino gold, they've been hanging on for a dear life, and maybe Russian Federation is hoping for big results from him again as long as he's coming back.
So why change something that worked so well.

Ah well. Just my two cents.
Regardless, it's good to see him back on the ice, and I see that his hair style has also not changed.

 

[katha]

I think it's fruitless at this point to demand that Plushenko overhaul his concept of artistry and choreography. I could do without the Marton music as well, but it seems to make him comfortable. And he scores big points anyway, so why change a winning strategy? Really liked his costume, though. The two first jumping passes were crazy, a class apart from most of the other men IMO. As for his PCS, I think that he definitely deserves his high marks for Skating Skills and Performance. Marking for Transitions is probably a bit iffy. It's the Yu-Na Kim effect, I guess: He deserves his lead but should probably have two or three points less.

Kozuka is a very admirable skater, but seems to skate "small". He cannot let loose and really perform to an audience. The judges seem to expect that from the best skaters. I thought his music selection for this year's SP is less than stellar as well. I like the smoothness and quietness of his skating, but he should perhaps try to skate with more conviction. Eh, I can't really describe what I think is missing from his skating for me...perhaps it's just nervousness and the knowledge that he's not his country's number one and will be judged accordingly.

 

[Kinga]

I agree with Plushy's technical edge, although the double lutz should have weighted more than it did. But his PCS's marks are outrageous in comparison with Kozuka. Poor Taka is nailed iespecially on the Interpretation and performance mark.,You tell me how much better he can interpret that music for hheaven's sake??

This is actually something that bothers me a lot - some skaters are shy and a bit introvertic, but if they started skating like a showman, it just simply does not work, because this does not fit their personality. This is Takahiko Kozuka - he interprets the music with his body and skating skills. I prefer him this way rather than he starts learning posing or forcing fake face expression etc. A pity is, that such style gets rewarded, whereas something genuine but not very 'catchy' does not. And really, if you watch a performance live, how close do you have to sit to see face expression?? First few rows maybe??

 

[life684]

Rustiness, my @#$!!!! and judges agree. If not for Plushenko, we might soon have men and women competitions combined. Welcome back, Plushy!!!!!!!

would't agree more Oxade21, the return of Plushy and Lambiel has at least ensured quad combo in sp, which was absent from the competition for a long time. with yuna scoring 210 points without triple axel and with missing a jump (Make it two because women have one jump less in their Lp), i wonder whether present crop of men could actually beat Yuna.

 

[enlight78]

^ ITA; skaters that interpet with there face always seem to get more points than skaters that skate with their actual body eventhough this is athletic sport; Figure Skating is one of the few sports where facial express is as important as what your body is doing.

 

[enlight78]

won't agree more Oxade21, the return of Plushy and Lambiel has at least ensured quad combo in sp, which was absent from the competition for a long time. with yuna scoring 210 points without triple axel and with missing a jump (Make it two because women have one jump less in their Lp), i wonder whether present crop of men could actually beat Yuna.

Do Oda and Joubert and Verner not exist

 

[life684]

Do Oda and Joubert and Verner not exist

they do exist, but they have a problem of consistency. The above mentioned men either don't do quad in sp or have serious problems when they do it sp. If these men where jumping things to their potential i wonder whether like of Plushy would have retuned.

 

[prettykeys]

Actually, it's Plushenko's hip that has proven more enduring. Yagudin wrecked his body trying to skate competitively, and was forced to retire - though he continues to do many shows

I stand corrected. Gosh, I think I even remember hearing about this hip but then I forgot.

A question: would that possibly have anything to do with the current state of the Russian figure skating, at least the men's singles?

Regardless, it's good to see him back on the ice, and I see that his hair style has also not changed.

Perhaps...but I do wonder if he would lose that much of a competitive edge. Haha! I noticed his hair, too!

katha - :thumbsup: scoring analysis.

 

[jennylovskt]

I have just watched Plushenko, Kozuka, and Weir's SP on Youtube. The first impression:

Amazing come back for Plushenko. He 100% deserved to be first. I am a little too sensitive about the flailing arm now which made me dislike his SP choreography a little. But no matter what, he gave me the chill and goose bumps. I admire him in many ways. I'm happy for him.

I like Kozuka's SP, sophisticated and beautiful. But to beat Plushenko? No way, not a chance.

Johnny is Johnny. I think we have already seen all he can do by now. So that's what he can do. I still like his skating. It gave you an unearthly beauty, doesn't belong to anywhere. It's purely beautiful. But he cannot compete. Just enjoy his skating while he is here.

 

[Blades of Passion]

I like Kozuka's SP, sophisticated and beautiful. But to beat Plushenko? No way, not a chance.

He had FAR better spins and better presentation. Why did he not deserve to win? Plushenko doubled his Lutz, so that takes away from his technical advantage in the jumps.

 

[seniorita]

he covered the lutz with big Goes in the the other two jumps.
But i would be fine with Kozuka first in Sp cause he was just awesome, his sp is maybe one of the best this season along with takahashi.
His lp is not so powerful, something with the music is wrong, it doesnt climate, and I hate he wears two size larger shirts, he looks small that way. Only judging by the program, best Lp is Amodio;s by far, the man is an artist, his program is great and works the audience and he is really having the best choreo!
By the way did Johhny decided to do the plushy way in Lp..?First 4 jumps (i think) in a row?