Men's FS
- Thread starter SailorGalaxia518
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How about that Jeremy Abbott!!! Now this one I can congratulate happily. 
And it's over. Great skate for Mabee coming from 8th in the short to be 3rd in the long, finishing 5th overall. Personally, I'm really pleased with this result for Buttle. This is his first international competition of the season, and obviously his program scores really well with the judges. It was obvious even at Canadians that his jumps were not yet 100 per cent again yet following his injury and it's still showing, but now he's got time to train for worlds.
Congrats to Lysacek for another great skate of his LP as at U.S. nationals. He's just shown his win there wasn't a one-time performance fluke.
Sandhu needs to decide if his heart is really in skating, and if it is he needs to train, and hire a real choreographer to give him some decent material.
Congrats to Lysacek for another great skate of his LP as at U.S. nationals. He's just shown his win there wasn't a one-time performance fluke.
Sandhu needs to decide if his heart is really in skating, and if it is he needs to train, and hire a real choreographer to give him some decent material.
As was previously mentioned, PCS is scored for the non-jump elements. Jeff has superior spins (though Evans are also pretty good). Footwork. Transitions. Program execution. CHOREOGRAPHY!
Yes, he definitely needs to get the axel more consistent. But the guy hasn only been back on the ice for what, 2 months? And it was on the axel that he injured himself in the first place. So For me, I think it's a wee bit acceptable that it's not 100% at the moment (I know, it's never been 100%, but still!)
Like others have said, you're entitled to your opinion. However, that doesn't mean you can force it in our faces trying to make others change their minds to say 'oh, I guess Jeff is really just an absolute crap skater. I'll stop liking him now and only like those who jump like someone's shooting at their feet. Whatever was I thinking?'
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Evan's scores actually offend me quite a bit as a skating fan. I have favorites but I cheer for fair competition and fair judging. The many unwarranted scores bestowed on Evan Lysacek are an insult to true skating fans everywhere, and an insult to the integrity of the sport. It is the behind the scenes manipulation that is beyond the comprehension of skating fans, as they dont see it on the ice, to boost the stature of skaters such as he, that is a real turnoff to your interest level in the sport.
There are others I have seen this with in recent years-Irina Slutskaya, Grushina/Goncharov as examples. Now also Domnina/Shabalin(spelling)who receive almost equaly extreme overscoring as to that of Evan Lysacek in fact. Enough is enough. This sport will have no fans if judges continue to offend the knowledgable skating fan, who are quickly becoming all who the sport has as it no longer attracts casual fans.
There are others I have seen this with in recent years-Irina Slutskaya, Grushina/Goncharov as examples. Now also Domnina/Shabalin(spelling)who receive almost equaly extreme overscoring as to that of Evan Lysacek in fact. Enough is enough. This sport will have no fans if judges continue to offend the knowledgable skating fan, who are quickly becoming all who the sport has as it no longer attracts casual fans.
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Congratulations Evan, Jeremy & Ryan! :agree:
He can jump. Watch a program.
He never really has a 3A, how can you expect him to get one in two months?? LOL.
Of course I am not trying to change those who like him. But my point is judges should never elevate such axel-less skater to elite status. His medal history is a shame to figure skating.
He can always do show, or he can medal in ladies' event, but please please don't let this guy shamelessly occupy world podium without a simple 3A!!!!
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I would say Evan Lysacek's inexplicable PC scores show PCS are only a result of jumps and being able to do a quad. However he received those inexplicable PC scores even before he was doing a quad. Tragic and truly sad for the sport, but true.
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The party is over. I daresay the Mens was better here than at Euros.
I hope all these skaters can take away something from the competition and make way for the Tokyko love-in.
Joe
I hope all these skaters can take away something from the competition and make way for the Tokyko love-in.
Joe
It just hit me how much you must really love Jeff, to be using such reverse psychology to make his fans love him and support him even more than we already did! Wow, thank you!
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It's normal that each of us have our own preferences about what aspects of skating that we like. Some of us prefer the technical, artistic, or both aspects of skating. It's okay to like one or the other or both. There's no right or wrong when it comes to personal taste and preference so don't let it upset us too much. Whatever our preferences, the skaters do deserve our respect for all their hard work and effort at least (skating is definitely not an easy sport). 
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The real tragic is to reward axel-less skaters like Buttle. I mean, I have nothing against him, and I actually enjoy his LP a lot. But without jumps, I don't think he deserves medal at world stage. If judges keep on rewarding him, it will only kill the sport.
I mean, if you want to see beautiful programs, there are a lot of shows. But figure skating is still sport.
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Elevated such axel-less skater. What are you talking about? Buttle earn his points just like every other skater. The whole point of COP is to have fair judging for the skaters. There should be no elevating or putting down based on jump content alone. Let the points add as they add and leave it at that.
Ten years ago, almost every medalist can do a quad. Now a major world gold medal contender can not even do a 3A!!!
No wonder you're seeing empty seats, he is killing the sport.
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Buttle had a much lower TE score then Lysacek so he was rightfuly docked for missing key jumps and not attempting a quad. That however does not justify the PC scores of Lysacek for a Carmen program I have seen enough times skated to know it does not warrant anywhere near the PC scores he receives for it, and probably to get that score highly questionable GOE scores to go with that. For skaters of the quality of Lysacek to receive the scores he receives in GOE and PC scores repeatedly is an insult to the integrity of the sport. Like I said he is not the only one, Grushina/Goncharova previously, and now Domnina/Shabalin are also receiving scores that bring discredit to the sport we all love so much. The judges are really offending the serious skating fans by giving out marks that do not reflect the quality of skating to certain individuals, and I find it quite offensive as a skating fan.
I do not blame the skaters. It is not fair to cast blame on the skaters, even the beneficiaries for what they gain from unmerited scoring of judges. The blame must be cast where it belongs, with the people who control and are ruining our once great sport.
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