Men's LP Results - SPOILER

[Spun Silver]

I can't do GPF math - where does this leave Johnny???
(Note to mods: we need a Nail-biting smilie!)

ETA: We also need EEK or SHRIEK. It's one thing to get the Silver... it's another to lose by 40 points! It looks like skating has a new king.

Men - Free Skating

1 Brian JOUBERT FRA 237.83 1 1
2 Johnny WEIR USA 196.28 2 5
3 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 187.45 4 6
4 Tomas VERNER CZE 186.50 6 3
5 Emanuel SANDHU CAN 185.45 3 8
6 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 184.70 5 7
7 Andrei GRIAZEV RUS 184.02 8 4
8 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 182.39 9 2
9 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 162.98 10 9
10 Christopher MABEE CAN 161.16 7 12
11 Gregor URBAS SLO 159.22 11 11
12 Ryo SHIBATA JPN 158.43 12 10


Result Details

1 Brian JOUBERT FRA 160.13 82.73 77.40 8.00 7.20 7.95 7.70 7.85 0.00 #12
2 Sergei DOBRIN RUS 123.03 61.93 61.10 6.40 5.75 6.20 5.95 6.25 0.00 #6
3 Tomas VERNER CZE 122.05 57.75 64.30 6.60 6.15 6.45 6.35 6.60 0.00 #10
4 Andrei GRIAZEV RUS 121.43 61.83 60.60 6.40 5.75 5.95 6.20 6.00 1.00 #5
5 Johnny WEIR USA 121.18 49.48 71.70 7.25 6.80 7.10 7.35 7.35 0.00 #7
6 Ilia KLIMKIN RUS 120.00 55.50 67.50 6.90 6.50 6.60 6.90 6.85 3.00 #11
7 Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE 117.45 58.65 58.80 6.05 5.40 5.95 5.85 6.15 0.00 #8
8 Emanuel SANDHU CAN 114.15 46.95 68.20 6.85 6.55 6.70 6.95 7.05 1.00 #9
9 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 109.29 54.09 55.20 5.80 5.15 5.45 5.50 5.70 0.00 #4
10 Ryo SHIBATA JPN 109.11 55.91 53.20 5.60 4.95 5.45 5.20 5.40 0.00 #3
11 Gregor URBAS SLO 107.83 56.53 51.30 5.50 4.55 5.20 5.25 5.15 0.00 #1
12 Christopher MABEE CAN 98.36 42.16 56.20 5.90 5.20 5.45 5.75 5.80 0.00 #2

 

[rain]

I'm not sure where this leaves everyone overall in the GP, but what a bizarre SP and LP combination. Movement all over the board, with the exception of Joubert who looks as if he was in a class by himself in this event. The math that makes Klimkin third, for example, seems crazy if you look at the placements (of course point total is what matters, but still kind of funny that a fourth and sixth were enough to give him the bronze.

 

[Mathman]

...where does this leave Johnny???

On the bubble.

Joubert and Lysacek are in, Oda and Lambiel almost surely are in.

Johnny is now tied with Preubert, both with a second and a third. But Preabert is way ahead on the tie-breaker with 424 points to Weir's 394.

Johnny's only chance is if Takahashi fininshes third in NHK and also gets a very low score.

 

[Tonichelle]

why did Johnny score so low without any (apparent) deductions? did he pop/miss some jumps/elements?

 

[enlight78]

Johnny is tied with preaubert but looses the tie breaker in scores.

 

[zandor]

Bravo Brian!

Congrats Brian for beating your person record and 4sw. He is the best!

 

[enlight78]

I can't do GPF math - where does this leave Johnny???
(Note to mods: we need a Nail-biting smilie!)

ETA: We also need EEK or SHRIEK. It's one thing to get the Silver... it's another to lose by 40 points! It looks like skating has a new king.

I wouldn't say he is the new king. He only beat oda's total by six points.

 

[Mathman]

why did Johnny score so low without any (apparent) deductions? did he pop/miss some jumps/elements?

Good question. To put Johnny's performance (121.18 points) in perspective, Miki Ando got 125.85 in her LP at Skate America.

But Johnny did beat Rochette's 118 at Skate Canada, Meissner's 118 at Skate America and Kim's 119 in Paris.

Johnny's technical score was ninth in this contest, with only Sandhu and Mabee worse.

 

[Mathman]

Congrats Brian for beating your person record and 4sw. He is the best!

Only Plushenko has ever scored higher than Brian's 237.83.

 

[cloudkicker09]

YEAH BRIAN!!!!
VIVE LE BRIAN JOUBERT WINNING TWO GRAND PRIX IN A ROW!!!!!


OK I know that it is Russia, but seriously Klimkin making that big of a jump in the standings...something does not smell right.

 

[sussweden]

"OK I know that it is Russia, but seriously Klimkin making that big of a jump in the standings...something does not smell right"

Well I see Klimkin as one skater that actually can make this kind of jump (both ways too).Must add, I do like his skating.

/Lena

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I can't do GPF math - where does this leave Johnny???

I don't do this by Stats but by old fashioned Arithmetic.

Definitely in the Finals

Joubert (30), Lysacek (28), Preaubert (24 - higher scores than) Johnny (24)

Still to Skate

Oda (15 so far) Needs a 4th place to tie with Alban and Johnny}

Lambiel (15 so far) Needs a 4th place to tie with Alban and Johnny)

Takahashi (13 so far) Needs a 3rd place to be in the mix.

For your perusal

At their best they will finish 1,2,3.

If Takahashi wins he will tie with Lysacek; If he silver medals he will be ahead of Alban and Johnny. If he gets 3rd, he will be tied with Alban and Johnny. Less than bronze, he's out.

If Lambiel wins, well, you got it. A silver will put him with Lysacek. A bronze will put him with a definite place in the finals. 4th place he ties with Alban and Johnny. Less than 4th, he's out.

If Oda wins, well, you got it. And the same as per Lambiel above.

I think much depends on the trip from Geneva to Nagano will have a bearing.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

How about this?

Kevin van der Perren wins NHK, followed by Takahashi, Lambiel and Oda.

These four plus Joubert and Lysacek are in, Preaubert is out.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

How about this?

Kevin van der Perren wins NHK, followed by Takahashi, Lambiel and Oda.

These four plus Joubert and Lysacek are in, Preaubert is out.

Yeah that is arithmatically correct. And if Preaubert is out so is Johnny. Hooray for Kevin the GPF champ. Well, not exactly. He will not get gold.

If one believes that all judges are equal then the total scores in the respective results are correct.

Joe

 

[thpme]

Like what Mathman said, only Joubert and Lysacek are definitely in the final. Lambiel and Oda are highly likely in. Takahashi, Preaubert, Weir and KVDP (a remote possibility) are probably vying for the last two spots.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Like what Mathman said, only Joubert and Lysacek are definitely in the final. Lambiel and Oda are highly likely in. Takahashi, Preaubert, Weir and KVDP (a remote possibility) are probably vying for the last two spots.

Other than KVDP, I drew the same conclusions in an earlier post.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

If one believes that all judges are equal then the total scores in the respective results are correct.

Actually, the judging does seem to be pretty consistent from one event to another this year. I have no complaints about that so far.

But the results of past performances don't dictate what the future will bring. If that were the case, they would just give the GP Final to Joubert now (based on his scores in previous events this year) and save themselves the trouble of skating.

 

[Kasey]

I wouldn't say he is the new king. He only beat oda's total by six points.

True. And when a 3 quad program is only 6 points ahead of a no-quad program, that's not really so great. TES, yes. PCS, well....I'm not sure an 8 for skating skills was accurate...but maybe it was for THIS performance.

OK I know that it is Russia, but seriously Klimkin making that big of a jump in the standings...something does not smell right.

It doesn't have to be Russia for Klimkin to make that jump. He was not far out of it after the short program, and unlike many others competing here, Klimkin is capable of quads, 3As, and also unique and interesting choreography, thus, higher PCS marks. Besides, looking at the LP scores, a lot of skaters crapped out big time on their TES. Why wouldn't Klimkin be third after all that? Not everything has to do with political judging.

 

[hockeyfan228]

But the results of past performances don't dictate what the future will bring. If that were the case, they would just give the GP Final to Joubert now (based on his scores in previous events this year) and save themselves the trouble of skating.

Like last year they would have given the GPF to Slutskaya and saved everyone the trip.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

But when you think about the Finals. There was Sandu and not Plushenko in one year, and little Mao and not Slutskaya in another. Things happen in Finals.