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Mikhail Kolyada

I wasn't one who wished he'd ended the season earlier, instead of going to Worlds, but personally I really wish he weren't going to WTT (even though I'd love to see him skate his programs again). He could use a good r&r with the season he's had instead of training/traveling for a fluff competition. Also, he said his boots were pretty much done, so he'll either have to break in new ones or try to get by on his old Oly ones for the competition. (I remember his saying he was in the process of breaking in new boots when he was called up last minute to the team event in Spokane after Boston 2016, so this appears to be around the time of year for him to get new boots anyway.) I'm a little concerned about the risk of injury for him to train through his boot transition, when he's already more fatigued post-Worlds than normal from being chronically sick during a lot of the season and coming off the Oly season. Misha himself didn't come across to me as overly excited about going. Also, this would have been more good exposure for Lazukin on the international scene. OTOH, I guess the prize money is decent, so there's that, and maybe he'll be able to relax and have fun (though it's not treated as all fun and games, since skaters usually do bring their coaches with them and want to put on a good showing).
 
The flip with the call is worth less than a double axel, which makes a case for a triple loop instead, but we can't know how would he react if he messed up the loop again. It's not like this season he was able to recover from failing a jump as he did on the lead up to the Olympics. I remember his FS back in Rostelecom 2017, he had three falls, but he rotated all his jumps and didn't pop a single one of them. And I can't see him doing that now when he has multiple falls in a program.
No way he'd have the energy this season to fall three times, get up and do everything else. Last season he never fell on the loop either, just doubled it. For right now it may be the best idea to jump a 2A. Then bring back the loop, he couldn't have literally forgotten how to do it. They had periods where they took it out before, usually early in the season, then they brought it back.

Yeah, I know :/ even at Europeans, though, it’s hard to say if he would have skated this layout clean. He was by his own admission extremely nervous there, going last and leading the field. It was a fall on a 3A that hurt him, after all.

I’m not sure why messing up jumps hit him so hard mentally this season. Maybe because practices were (according to him) going better, and he was frustrated that he couldn’t show the results in competition. I’m sure the World medal added some extra pressure, too. But I’m so glad he could end his season with a mostly clean skate. I remember he said he hadn’t been fully satisfied with a free skate since Boston, and now he finally has one to be happy about, three years later.

BTW, misha was just confirmed for WTT :) not that I’m expecting anything amazing, but it would be great if he could score new season’s bests.
Because he messed up worse in spite of trying harder I would imagine. And he had high hopes that were dashed. I think it was the first time when messing up was so obviously due to a lack of stamina in the FS. If you try to increase stamina while sick all it will do in the end is make you weaker unless you eliminate the underlying cause.

As for the WTT, the money will come in handy after the season he's had, but he must also feel exhausted.
 
I still am getting up to speed with things like edge calls. Even though I’ve been watching skating for decades, only recently have I learned to recognize all the jumps (except for Salchow, which I occasionally have to identify as “the jump I can’t identify.” I know theoretically what it is, but I still need to watch more slo-mo vids to identify it in real time without “cheating” and looking at score box.) Even so, it’s a practically a parlor trick for me to call them out when watching skating with my casual fan family.

So the edge call on the flip. Is that because he takes off on an outside edge, like a lutz (like the opposite of the infamous flutz that never got called—I’m looking at you, Tara!!;))

I think loops are so cool-looking and that Hanyu can do a quad loop astounds me. I hope Misha can master it one day, but I know it’s something I wanted him to remove from his program this year—that’s for sure!
 
So the edge call on the flip. Is that because he takes off on an outside edge, like a lutz (like the opposite of the infamous flutz that never got called—I’m looking at you, Tara!!;))

I think loops are so cool-looking and that Hanyu can do a quad loop astounds me. I hope Misha can master it one day, but I know it’s something I wanted him to remove from his program this year—that’s for sure!

Misha never really had a flip before, and he's very much a lutz skater, because it comes naturally to him. But his loop didn't give him much trouble when he was in better shape, but this year, with so many things to worry about on top of his health, I think he just couldn't do it succesfully.
 
Misha never really had a flip before, and he's very much a lutz skater, because it comes naturally to him. But his loop didn't give him much trouble when he was in better shape, but this year, with so many things to worry about on top of his health, I think he just couldn't do it succesfully.

I think nothing wrong with his loop, it is his least favourite jump and often falls a victim to his nerves in a pressure cooker situation that is all. I hope we will see it again next season. I wonder about his layout for WTT - surely they are going to take out the flip? The edge call is a bit unfair I feel like there must be some allowance made when a jump is particularly beautiful as was his flip in Saitama (BESP guys exclaimed - a gorgeous flip!) 3 points !!!:dev2:

He always had a flip in his arsenal but didn't even try to put it in competition because when he was a junior Lakernik announced to the FS world that his flip is 'e' and that was the end of it
 
I wasn't one who wished he'd ended the season earlier, instead of going to Worlds, but personally I really wish he weren't going to WTT (even though I'd love to see him skate his programs again). He could use a good r&r with the season he's had instead of training/traveling for a fluff competition. Also, he said his boots were pretty much done, so he'll either have to break in new ones or try to get by on his old Oly ones for the competition. (I remember his saying he was in the process of breaking in new boots when he was called up last minute to the team event in Spokane after Boston 2016, so this appears to be around the time of year for him to get new boots anyway.) I'm a little concerned about the risk of injury for him to train through his boot transition, when he's already more fatigued post-Worlds than normal from being chronically sick during a lot of the season and coming off the Oly season. Misha himself didn't come across to me as overly excited about going. Also, this would have been more good exposure for Lazukin on the international scene. OTOH, I guess the prize money is decent, so there's that, and maybe he'll be able to relax and have fun (though it's not treated as all fun and games, since skaters usually do bring their coaches with them and want to put on a good showing).

I am a bit worried about WTT I admit. I'd rather see him going into the next season having his clean LP as the last skate of this one, and his boots? On the other hand the prize money is good and surely he could do with some as this season wasn't anything like the last one money wise. BTW I learned that ISU changed things a bit at Worlds the 6th place was the last to afford prize money (I think it was 8th before) so Mika did well to hold onto 6th (I am still very unhappy about losing to Jin- 0.3 :dev2:)
 
I still am getting up to speed with things like edge calls. Even though I’ve been watching skating for decades, only recently have I learned to recognize all the jumps (except for Salchow, which I occasionally have to identify as “the jump I can’t identify.” I know theoretically what it is, but I still need to watch more slo-mo vids to identify it in real time without “cheating” and looking at score box.) Even so, it’s a practically a parlor trick for me to call them out when watching skating with my casual fan family.

So the edge call on the flip. Is that because he takes off on an outside edge, like a lutz (like the opposite of the infamous flutz that never got called—I’m looking at you, Tara!!;))

I think loops are so cool-looking and that Hanyu can do a quad loop astounds me. I hope Misha can master it one day, but I know it’s something I wanted him to remove from his program this year—that’s for sure!

I am pretty okay with recognising the jumps though I admit I only 'know' a flip by the entry and hopeless about the edge but for some reason have no problem with a lutz :scratch2:
What I really need to 'work' on is spins & stsq - no clue whatsover. BTW can anyone kindly explain why Mika lost a level on his last spin in LP and what he did wrong to only get a level 3 for his step sequence?
 
After Inman left, they talk about Misha changing coaches beginning around 1:13. That part was a lot more worth my time to listen to than their discussion about him w Inman.

I’ve caught myself randomly humming to Carmen during this season, so you’re not the only one :laugh:

Thanks for the pointer. ''A unstoppable force for the future [in the right hands]'' we'll leave it at that
 
There is a thread on the main Edge board about “dream coaching changes that will not (or probably won’t) happen.” It’s purely speculative and just for fun, but there, as here, people bring Raf up as a great fit for Misha. (Someone says it should have happened two years ago—and I agree, and maybe Raf would’ve been cheaper in his Adam and Ashley days before Nathan!)

We say the point is moot because of the $$$ needed and that it might be too late anyway because Raf says he needs two years with a skater. However, I’m curious what you all think of personalities involved. Raf is notorious as a hard nut to crack (I’m trying to think of a way to put it that won’t be flagged!) How do you think a skater like Misha who beats himSELF up so much would respond to a coach who would, oh let’s just say, hand his skate guards to him and not make eye contact if he messes up an element. Valentina is more in the nurturing vein (I mean not Traci Wilson level but not Eteri legendary frostiness whether you skate well or poorly.) Mariah Bell tries to charm Raf by forcing him to say she did well in FS of Nationals and he smiles a bit but says “you fell; you could have won the whole thing.”

Misha’s personality is a bit of an enigma to me. Shy but independent as someone on this thread described him. Those are normally contradictory.

What do you think?
 
I think Orser would be a better match. Just look how supporting is he with all his skaters when they go through bad times. Raf is still to ambitious and want everyone to do their best but also hear him and do what he says. As i see Mika wanting to use his own head, i think he and Raf might collide now and then.
 
There is a thread on the main Edge board about “dream coaching changes that will not (or probably won’t) happen.” It’s purely speculative and just for fun, but there, as here, people bring Raf up as a great fit for Misha. (Someone says it should have happened two years ago—and I agree, and maybe Raf would’ve been cheaper in his Adam and Ashley days before Nathan!)

We say the point is moot because of the $$$ needed and that it might be too late anyway because Raf says he needs two years with a skater. However, I’m curious what you all think of personalities involved. Raf is notorious as a hard nut to crack (I’m trying to think of a way to put it that won’t be flagged!) How do you think a skater like Misha who beats himSELF up so much would respond to a coach who would, oh let’s just say, hand his skate guards to him and not make eye contact if he messes up an element. Valentina is more in the nurturing vein (I mean not Traci Wilson level but not Eteri legendary frostiness whether you skate well or poorly.) Mariah Bell tries to charm Raf by forcing him to say she did well in FS of Nationals and he smiles a bit but says “you fell; you could have won the whole thing.”

Misha’s personality is a bit of an enigma to me. Shy but independent as someone on this thread described him. Those are normally contradictory.

What do you think?

Honestly? I do not know what I think anymore! Sometimes I feel that it is all such a disaster the way it is with Valentina and he needs to get out of it fast and then sometimes I feel like okay it still works for him - where is a guarantee that he would be a better competitor with Raf (or someone else)?
My gut feeling is that his move to Raf should have happened a couple years ago, he wont' adapt to a more challenging environment now when he got a taste of hmm self-coaching.
I respect Raf and think that in many ways they would be a great fit but Raf would expect a total trust in his methods without questioning it and Mika is not like that.
Money wise, I feel, that RusFed after the precedent with Evgenia will not be rushing into funding anyone's training abroad and least of all Mika's it looks like their new
hope is Samarin (quads!), they are losing interest in Mika because he's failed so far to stabilise another quad beside a toeloop (the plain fact that Mika can achieve more with a toeloop than Samarin with 3 types of quads is lost on them :rolleye:)
A coaching change is a big deal and there must be a clear understanding what one is planning to achieve as a result. Mika's got absolutely everything - a great technique in all areas: jumps, spins, SS; no issues with stamina so his off-ice training must be good too, his packaging is getting better all the time (the progress in that is amazing if to compare his programs, costumes etc to his first senior year). So basically he lacks in one and only one area - self-belief. Can it be helped with at all - I wonder...
 
I guess we'll never know if that rumour was true and that he was trying to get approval for moving to Lambiel. Personalities wise I think he would get on with Lambiel much better than with Raf, how productive it would be is another matter. But I think he might be happy there with Stephane and a happy person can achieve some great things

Thinking of our darling Sasha - she moved to TAT from John Nicks and was happy for a while, then to Robin and it didn't work at all as Robin was trying to change and dictate everything and then back to Nicks because he allowed her to do basically what she thought was right for her. I sense a bit of similarity in how independent (and stubborn alas) both are...

I am not sure about Orser at all
 
How do you think a skater like Misha who beats himSELF up so much would respond to a coach who would, oh let’s just say, hand his skate guards to him and not make eye contact if he messes up an element. Valentina is more in the nurturing vein (I mean not Traci Wilson level but not Eteri legendary frostiness whether you skate well or poorly.) Mariah Bell tries to charm Raf by forcing him to say she did well in FS of Nationals and he smiles a bit but says “you fell; you could have won the whole thing.”

Raf can be very supportive too - see Marin after her disastrous LP at SA. I think he varies his methods depending on a student/situation. I don't think he would be too harsh on Mika once he realised that Mika is his own worst critic. I see him though a better equipped (than Valantina) to deal with pre-skate nerves - he's seen it all before... that could be more valuable than anything else
 
Raf can be very supportive too - see Marin after her disastrous LP at SA. I think he varies his methods depending on a student/situation. I don't think he would be too harsh on Mika once he realised that Mika is his own worst critic. I see him though a better equipped (than Valantina) to deal with pre-skate nerves - he's seen it all before... that could be more valuable than anything else

That's true! And also pretty true with Brezina, although Brezina's personality is very much all about taking Raf in stride, as Ashley did. (And yes, I find him very funny and charismatic when he is clowning behind Raf because Raf is giving his attention to another skater.) This can be a coping skill of self-preservation to one's ego too! (I do it all the time to deflect hurt feelings.)

As for Lambiel, yes, it's true that he would be wonderful for choreography and artistry and he knows all about the pressure of competition. But he surely wouldn't have brought about a killer competitive instinct like Mishin (or TAT for that matter). I would worry he would be like Denis, pretty much just accepting that oops! I really messed up those jumps, but hey, everything's cool. (Lambiel and Denis have SUCH sunny countenances--elfin, really. Don't think we would see that in Misha! I seriously looked through his programs to see when he cracks a smile--and yes, it was in the last competition that he says he was happy with his performance: Boston.)

And since choreography and artistry is not the focus at the moment (sadly, which puts Samarin in better position with RusFed), not sure Lambiel would have brought much to the table, unless its to boost his confidence in his abilities and rely on muscle memory. And who knows who can crack that code?
 
The thing with Lambiel is that he never coached a top skater until Deniss, at least not that I remember, and he's still super young, which might impact in his ability to coach and how much he can achieve with a skater--he's barely over thirty, and I'm sure he's going to have a long career ahead of him. However, I think the environment in which he coaches is something Misha was aiming for, something a bit off-track, less limelight, and less daily pressure from Mother Russia. That could be a good thing for him. And we never know how the two would pair up, because Deniss was never a stellar jumper before, so it's a bit of a different learning curve from on to the other.

I wonder though how Misha would fare in Italy, with Franca and Valter--Matteo's father and coach. They've achieved a lot with him. And if Misha wanted to stay in Russia, perhaps Urmanov, who was developing a good relationship with Lipnitskaya, and perhaps this time he has more experience to deal with hardheaded skaters than he did before, haha. But then, the distance from Sochi to SPb is pretty much the same from SPb to Switzerland, or Italy. Money would be the deciding factor, I'm sure.

Alas, at this point, he seems very much self-suficient, up to a point, of course, that I don't know what's the best thing for him. I doubt it would be a coach that's overbearing and super strict.
 
The thing with Lambiel is that he never coached a top skater until Deniss, at least not that I remember, and he's still super young ... which might impact in his ability to coach and how much he can achieve with a skater--he's barely over thirty.

I always forget how young people still are (and in turn, how old I am!). It seems like I’ve been watching and following Lambiel’s career forEVER and it surprised me that, yes, indeed he is only 33!

However, I think Misha was aiming for, something a bit off-track, less limelight, and less daily pressure from Mother Russia. That could be a good thing for him.

Yes, that surely would be! We often talk about Russian skaters’ reluctance to leave their home country—and it *is* a huge step for anyone to take and particularly to potentially be seen as something of a traitor to one’s country (although with that warm reception Evgenia received, I wonder if the response in Russia was as negative as it was depicted to be). I didn’t really think about the freedom that would be involved. I think of language barriers and culture shock and homesickness.

I wonder though how Misha would fare in Italy, with Franca and Valter--Matteo's father and coach. They've achieved a lot with him.

I don’t know much about Matteo at all. Do they coach others? Do they want others to challenge their rising-star son?

And if Misha wanted to stay in Russia, perhaps Urmanov, who was developing a good relationship with Lipnitskaya, and perhaps this time he has more experience to deal with hardheaded skaters than he did before, haha.

Good point! I forgot about Urmanov! That really seems to be best, speaking speculatively, as we won’t be able to do much else post-season. (Btw, sign me up as an entitled fan who wants to see Misha skate at WTT—and wants to see him every chance I can, conflicted about whether it is good for him. I’m always thinking, *This* will be the breakthrough performance where he puts two program together!)

Alas, at this point, he seems very much self-suficient, up to a point, of course, that I don't know what's the best thing for him. I doubt it would be a coach that's overbearing and super strict.

Yes, true. But maybe someone who can bring out the grittiness needed that allowed him to finally skate a clean(ish) Carmen. It’s obvs not a good strategy to rely on getting mad at oneself and needing to always come from behind to win, especially with the top skaters being more consistent in jumps now. But if only he could *just* want to do it for himself and not for his country. American skaters have an advantage because the general public doesn’t pay much attention to skating, even in Olympic years.

(BTW, and OTT, but I can’t tell you how many people say to me during Olympics when I try to talk about them, “I’m kinda Olympic’d out.” I’m thinking, like, “you only have to pay attention for *two weeks* every *four years* and you’re suffering Olympic fatigue??!!” I don’t if you all deal with non-ubers, but when my sisters and mom texted me wanting to watch World Championships with them in a group—yes, ofc I had steamed all compos live, so I knew the outcome but didn’t spoil—it was pretty rough on my texting thumbs. I had to continually tell everyone about who to watch, what the back story was, who was coming up, what *wasn’t* being shown in the lame NBC prime time coverage—backstage and KnC drama, which is half the fun, and on and on. Maybe I’ll convert one to uber-dom by next season. One of my sisters said she fell down a rabbit hole watching vids I had sent. Yes! *rubs hands together*)
 
Has Urmanov teach any other good skater the four turns jumps? Because stabilizing those jumps is the first thing Mika needs, and till now Urmanov is not so in my head as a successful coach for male skaters.

If Raf or Orser are not in cards (sighhhhhhhh), i really wish for Mika to take Mishin as a second coach, somehow like Carolina did. He really needs to stabilize at least the 4S, but 4Lutz is also needed when the wonder-kid of Eteri will move in 3-4 years to seniors (and it might be exactly timed to the next Olys....).
 
Urmanov had a few male skaters training under him, but I can't tell if any of them was super succesful, otherwise we would have known, I guess? But I wouldn't worry about Daniil just yet, he has a few years in juniors, and Misha a few years in seniors to get better. It's hard to know what's going to happen in the future.
 
Urmanov had a few male skaters training under him, but I can't tell if any of them was super succesful, otherwise we would have known, I guess? But I wouldn't worry about Daniil just yet, he has a few years in juniors, and Misha a few years in seniors to get better. It's hard to know what's going to happen in the future.

Has Urmanov teach any other good skater the four turns jumps? Because stabilizing those jumps is the first thing Mika needs, and till now Urmanov is not so in my head as a successful coach for male skaters.

If Raf or Orser are not in cards (sighhhhhhhh), i really wish for Mika to take Mishin as a second coach, somehow like Carolina did. He really needs to stabilize at least the 4S, but 4Lutz is also needed when the wonder-kid of Eteri will move in 3-4 years to seniors (and it might be exactly timed to the next Olys....).

IMHO he needs not as much a technical coach but someone who can instil more confidence and self-belief (if that possible at all?) It is not like he hasn't got most beautiful 4lz and 4S (and other quads are not on the cards -both loop and flip are problematic triple jumps for him) we've seen them. Once he believes he can do it he will be able to do in competition what he does in practice.

On his VK page there is a discussion of his planned content at WTT - I guess it is an April's Fool joke but it is claimed there is 4F in LP :scratch2::slink:
Can anyone access this because I can't - I just want to see for myself that 4F is not there:
http://cloud.isu.org/index.php/s/FYVbEDadRTPdmYP
 
Am I mad to feel very anxious about WTT? It is just once I see a team event and Mika in one sentence the alarm bells start ringing in my head. And not because he hasn't been able to put his Oly experience behind (at least to the point, and skating very well in the team LP) but because I know that the Russian media will skin him alive regardless unless he finishes in 1st in the both segments

On the top of his boots falling apart, there are rumours he's got another boat of sinusitis :(
All in all I feel this comp he could very well do without (not from the money angle though)

Edit: at least the men won't be skating first!
 
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