More Grand Prix changes

[sillylionlove]

Geoffry Varner of the US has been added to Skate Canada replacing Stefan Linderman who withdrew. Also Megan Oster of the US withdrew from Skate Canada? Anyone know why?

Also according to the ISU Yue Zhang and Lei Wang have been added to the pairs at Skate China. This leaves Zhang/Zhang with only one Grand Prix assignment according to the ISU website of entries. I find this every interesting!!

Just wanted to keep you guys updated!

 

[Lumi]

Who will be peplacement for Oster?

 

[npa]

Geoffry Varner of the US has been added to Skate Canada replacing Stefan Linderman who withdrew. Also Megan Oster of the US withdrew from Skate Canada? Anyone know why?

Also according to the ISU Yue Zhang and Lei Wang have been added to the pairs at Skate China. This leaves Zhang/Zhang with only one Grand Prix assignment according to the ISU website of entries. I find this every interesting!!

Just wanted to keep you guys updated!

Zhang/Zhang will skate in Fra and in Rus - they have two Grand Prix

 

[Patty1983]

I read on yahoo sport news that Stefan Lindemann had to withdraw from Skate Canada because of groin problems.

 

[sillylionlove]

Zhang/Zhang will skate in Fra and in Rus - they have two Grand Prix

Yikes. I should try reading that a little closer. Thanks for pointing that out! Sorry for the confusion everyone.

 

[sillylionlove]

Who will be peplacement for Oster?

No replacement has been named yet.

 

[flying camel]

That's unfortunate about Oster. I was looking forward to seeing her skate. I guess the US will just keep two slots and not fill her slot.

 

[chuckm]

The US doesn't get to fill Oster's slot. Skate Canada names replacements to its event.

 

[Sandra_persch]

The US doesn't get to fill Oster's slot. Skate Canada names replacements to its event.

My guess would be somebody who doesn't have to travel very far and Tugba Karademir comes to kind

 

[chuckm]

Tugba is competing at Skate America in Reading PA--not a long trip between the two venues.

 

[Taan]

actually i dont think skate canada can "invite" or "choose" who to replace meagan oster ...there is a list the ISU has with skater ranking and whoever is next highest in the ISU ranking automatically gets the spot at skate canada....rankings are based on scores earned at ISU events.

the only skaters Skate Canada can choose to invite are from Canada, thats how cynthia phanuef got skate canada she was invited by her fed. the rest are just randomly assigned there through random draw

 

[Ximena]

Sergei Dobrin is out of Skate America and Andrei Lutai is again in.

 

[chuckm]

actually i dont think skate canada can "invite" or "choose" who to replace meagan oster ...there is a list the ISU has with skater ranking and whoever is next highest in the ISU ranking automatically gets the spot at skate canada....rankings are based on scores earned at ISU events.

the only skaters Skate Canada can choose to invite are from Canada, thats how cynthia phanuef got skate canada she was invited by her fed. the rest are just randomly assigned there through random draw

That is NOT correct. The host federation has the obligation to replace a skater/team who has withdrawn. The only stipulation is that the skater/team MUST be ranked in the top 75 on the ISU Seasons Best Scores list. The position on the ranking list is of NO consequence.

Tugba is #34 on the list, so she meets the criteria, and since she resides in Canada and is competing at Skate America the week before, she would be an obvious choice.

Bear in mind that we are now within two weeks of the start of Skate Canada. That will automatically limit the replacement choice, since it's probably too late for many skaters to get visas and travel arrangements in time.

Your entire concept of how skaters are chosen for GP events is wrong. The host federations draw for selection order, and for selection order only. Then each host actively selects skaters for its event, according to ISU rules. Each host may choose 3 skaters in each discipline from its own skaters. Then each host must choose two seeded skaters, then two skaters from the top 24 on the ISU Ranking list, then two skaters from the top 24 on the Season's Best Scores list (other than the ones in the top 24 on the ISU ranking list). The rest of the skaters are chosen from the top 75 on the Season's Best Scores list.

The hosts select the skaters according to ISU rules. If you want to see the rules in writing:

http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=579

Look in Section 2 DESIGNATION OF THE SKATERS, 2.2 Invited Skaters/Couples

 

[dwiggin3]

That's unfortunate about Oster. I was looking forward to seeing her skate. I guess the US will just keep two slots and not fill her slot.

IIRC, she failed to make it out of regionals this year...maybe she is injured and is ending her season now?

 

[sillylionlove]

Elena Glevova of Estonia has replaced Megan Oster at Skate Canada.

 

[Taan]

That is NOT correct. The host federation has the obligation to replace a skater/team who has withdrawn. The only stipulation is that the skater/team MUST be ranked in the top 75 on the ISU Seasons Best Scores list. The position on the ranking list is of NO consequence.

Tugba is #34 on the list, so she meets the criteria, and since she resides in Canada and is competing at Skate America the week before, she would be an obvious choice.

Bear in mind that we are now within two weeks of the start of Skate Canada. That will automatically limit the replacement choice, since it's probably too late for many skaters to get visas and travel arrangements in time.

Your entire concept of how skaters are chosen for GP events is wrong. The host federations draw for selection order, and for selection order only. Then each host actively selects skaters for its event, according to ISU rules. Each host may choose 3 skaters in each discipline from its own skaters. Then each host must choose two seeded skaters, then two skaters from the top 24 on the ISU Ranking list, then two skaters from the top 24 on the Season's Best Scores list (other than the ones in the top 24 on the ISU ranking list). The rest of the skaters are chosen from the top 75 on the Season's Best Scores list.

The hosts select the skaters according to ISU rules. If you want to see the rules in writing:

http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=579

Look in Section 2 DESIGNATION OF THE SKATERS, 2.2 Invited Skaters/Couples

:agree: thank-you for the 411!!!!!!!!! :agree: rather interesting the way the skaters are selected it definitely is fair i suppose.....the only thing i dont like about it is if there is someone who has an amazing competition on the national level or at a B international and makes a name for themself with a breakthrough performance.....they still cannot be invited to a grand prix event hwell: .... because those comps are not part of the ISU ranking criteria

 

[hockeyfan228]

Scores at Nationals are generally inflated, and don't require ISU judges. They dont' even require following ISU rules or scoring. It would be in a nation's best interest to super-inflate the scores to qualify the skaters for more events. In some countries, where there are a limited number of senior skaters, there might be a test skate, but not a competition, and it would be cost-prohibitive to hire a team of ISU judges -- if having judges from outside the country even works with the national federation rules -- just to score the only senior skater in a discipline.

Some of the "B" events are used for experiments. For example, Nebelhorn was used to test having three different CD's (of different base values and difficulty), and the results can't be compared directly to the other ISU championship events. When the rules change from season to season, the scoring isn't exactly comparable. For example, last year there was no "e" call requiring judges to give -GOE for a flutz or lip.

Still, it seems that as long as the competition has the right number of ISU judges and officials, results from a "B" international at the beginning of the season could be taken into consideration for replacement skaters, even if the results aren't completely comparable.

 

[chuckm]

Still, it seems that as long as the competition has the right number of ISU judges and officials, results from a "B" international at the beginning of the season could be taken into consideration for replacement skaters, even if the results aren't completely comparable.

But the ISU will do as it wants, and it seems as if they want to use ONLY ISU results (GP, JGP, and ISU Championships) as GP selection criteria.

In some ways, this is fairer than putting sometimes-inflated "B" scores on the list.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Not only the ISU but the individual Feds have some strange way of selecting the assignments for the GPs. There really are no set rules.

I'm kind of getting the feeling that the Senior GPs are fading away with so many withdrawals, and injuries. They are too close to certain Nationals and time is needed during this period to clear up new programs for Euros and Worlds.

The Junior GPs have a somewhat better schedule which does gives them more time before their Nats to work on improvements. But their assignments, too are not set in stone.

Joe