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Netflix "Behind the Scenes" series on figure skating?

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The NY Times has an article on Netflix filming new series on sprints, on swimming, in conjunction with the IOC to promote these sports in between the Olympic cycle.

With this throwaway line near the end of the article:

Exarchos [ the chief executive of the I.O.C. media arm] said the I.O.C. was in advanced discussions with sports federations for potential projects on figure skating and skiing for the 2026 Winter Games in Italy.

The article does talk about how marketing has changed for the IOC with the popularity of "docuseries", but how Netflix must tread carefully due to NBC rights to the Olympics. The article is behind a paywall, and this is the only reference to FS, but I can gift the article if people care about the rest. ;)
 
If this is true, I have mixed feelings about this.

On one hand, it’s great that there’s a way to potentially reach new fans and garner interest in the sport. As we’ve seen with Drive to Survive (F1), and Break Point (tennis), these Netflix series’s can definitely draw in new fans and increase overall interest in the sport.

On the other hand, these shows often have a lot of exaggerated drama, and I honestly think that’s the last thing skating needs. We’ve had a doping conundrum involving a 15 year old (that was only just resolved), a country banned which has caused all sorts of protests, and several serious allegations of abuse of all kinds, just to name a few.

The last thing the we need is more drama. The sport can only survive off of drama for so long.
 
If this is true, I have mixed feelings about this.

On one hand, it’s great that there’s a way to potentially reach new fans and garner interest in the sport. As we’ve seen with Drive to Survive (F1), and Break Point (tennis), these Netflix series’s can definitely draw in new fans and increase overall interest in the sport.

On the other hand, these shows often have a lot of exaggerated drama, and I honestly think that’s the last thing skating needs. We’ve had a doping conundrum involving a 15 year old (that was only just resolved), a country banned which has caused all sorts of protests, and several serious allegations of abuse of all kinds, just to name a few.

The last thing the we need is more drama. The sport can only survive off of drama for so long.

I have not watched the driving or tennis shows, but I would not be the target audience for these: I have no interest in driving or tennis, so I won't watch the shows in the first place. Which I realize is not the point, it's supposed to make me want to watch. :biggrin:

Gymnastics has an equal amount (if not more) of abuse and the same banned countries. Yet evidently series on gymnastics are in the works? How do they handle it?

But I am going to posit another view: I think highlighting drama could be a good thing. The kind of drama that doesn't rely on scandal. How will Sammy Skater come back from injury? What does Arthur Artiste think of his marks? Does Jamie Jumper think Arthur Artiste is a worthy opponent, or beneath them?

I give them credit for trying, if this is what they intend to do. Then again, they don't need a docuseries to rope me in, :)
 
I have not watched the driving or tennis shows, but I would not be the target audience for these: I have no interest in driving or tennis, so I won't watch the shows in the first place. Which I realize is not the point, it's supposed to make me want to watch. :biggrin:

Gymnastics has an equal amount (if not more) of abuse and the same banned countries. Yet evidently series on gymnastics are in the works? How do they handle it?

But I am going to posit another view: I think highlighting drama could be a good thing. The kind of drama that doesn't rely on scandal. How will Sammy Skater come back from injury? What does Arthur Artiste think of his marks? Does Jamie Jumper think Arthur Artiste is a worthy opponent, or beneath them?

I give them credit for trying, if this is what they intend to do. Then again, they don't need a docuseries to rope me in, :)
Well, I am a target for Break Point, I tried to watch it and failed badly. It was fairly criticized within the tennis community, too, for more reasons than one and was not a good doc. Do not think it made tennis or its stars any more popular (not that they are actually lacking in its department). I was under the impression that it was rather the other way round - trying to gain viewership stats on the sports's and its stars preexisting popularity. But it was not good enough for this. In the end of the day, many tennis fans were disappointed, bored and angry.
OTOH, I heard F1 series was really good and successful. But here I was not the target and never watched even for a sec so have no first hand knowledge.
So I guess, in the end of the day, it all comes down to the particular concept, director etc.
Yet the tennis series revealed the problem players had with it - many of them found it a distraction and refused to take part.
 
A shame that the series were not well done

I guess I was thinking of the football docu-series I have watched on Netflix, and they have been pretty darn good. One in particular: "Quarterback": followed a superstar (Patrick Mahomes) a very good (Kirk Cousin) and a journeyman hanging on (Marcus Mariota). Showed them at work, at home, at practice, and all three story lines were compelling. Didn't hurt that Patrick won the Super Bowl. participation was voluntary.

Another series: Hard Knocks, on HBO, is behind the scenes at training camp or in the off season or during the season. Participation is mandatory: the NFL assigns a team for the season, and the team must allow filming. No team wants to be selected. ;) Some of it is tedious, but much of it is good.

Of course, football docu-series have a built in audience in the US so I cannot say if they would attract new fans. :shrug:
 
Dave Lease mentioned in his most recent discussion about the Olympic medal ceremony that IAM is being interviewed by Netflix as a possible subject for this documentary series. The interesting thing for a documentary about IAM is that just by going to one location, you can cover half of the Ice Dance field in one go. There already was a documentary there, however, so I am curious what another one would bring to the table.
 
The BBC did a series (called 'Freeze') towards the end of the pandemic following some of the British skaters as they started training again and tried to qualify for competitions such as nationals and the olympics. Last time I looked it was still on the BBC iplayer, but that unfortunately is georestricted to the UK (I think due to the licence fee we have to pay). It might be possible to view it using a VPN, but I'm not sure.
 
The BBC did a series (called 'Freeze') towards the end of the pandemic following some of the British skaters as they started training again and tried to qualify for competitions such as nationals and the olympics. Last time I looked it was still on the BBC iplayer, but that unfortunately is georestricted to the UK (I think due to the licence fee we have to pay). It might be possible to view it using a VPN, but I'm not sure.

If anybody wants to try, here are the links.

Series 1: Skating On The Edge (all episodes expire at 04:59 Wed. 5th Feb. 2025)

Episode 1: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0bjjzw7/freeze-skating-on-the-edge-episode-1
Episode 2: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0bjk0gp/freeze-skating-on-the-edge-episode-2
Episode 3: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0bjk1m5/freeze-skating-on-the-edge-episode-3
Episode 4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0bjk230/freeze-skating-on-the-edge-episode-4

Series 2: Back On Thin Ice (all episodes expire at 04:59 Fri. 21st Mar. 2025)

Episode 1: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0brs2z1/freeze-back-on-thin-ice-episode-1
Episode 2: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0brs4j1/freeze-back-on-thin-ice-episode-2
Episode 3: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0brs9xx/freeze-back-on-thin-ice-episode-3
Episode 4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0brsbyn/freeze-back-on-thin-ice-episode-4

They were interesting, and really helped you to get to know the skaters and their personalities. For example, I took a real liking to Kristen Spours after watching her on the series; but took a real dislike to Graham Newberry after watching him on the series.

But there were aspects of the way the programmes were put together that, if you know a bit about the sport, were making you pull your hair out! For example, giving the impression that the skaters only do one programme. And to further confuse matters, showing the SP for one skater, but showing the FS for another skater. And just showing clips accompanied by different music to what they were actually skating to.

Also, as @Minz pointed out, these type of shows tend to make drama where there isn't drama (I haven't seen it, but I have heard that "Drive To Survive" is notorious for this). And, although "Freeze" didn't go as far as some others, it did like to build up the rivalries between skaters.

Although I watch the Formula 1 racing, I have never had any desire to watch "Drive To Survive" (not least because I don't have Netflix, and have no intention of ever getting it). Frankly, it is the racing I am interested in, not all the off-track stuff. For me anyway, the changes that Liberty Media have made since they took over Formula 1 in 2017 have ruined it. And "Drive To Survive" was the start of the rot.

I don't want the same happening to figure skating.

But, "Drive To Survive" got a lot of younger people interested in Formula 1. So, I can understand why the ISU would want to do the same.

CaroLiza_fan
 
Dave Lease mentioned in his most recent discussion about the Olympic medal ceremony that IAM is being interviewed by Netflix as a possible subject for this documentary series. The interesting thing for a documentary about IAM is that just by going to one location, you can cover half of the Ice Dance field in one go. There already was a documentary there, however, so I am curious what another one would bring to the table.
Yes, the original IAM docu series in the lead-up to 2022 Olympics, I found to be excellent. I believe it was made available on the Olympic Channel and YouTube, and there were at least 7 or more episodes. There was no manufactured drama that I could detect. But let's face it, figure skating will always have built-in drama and rivalries. Many of the rivalries in skating today are friendly, though, albeit fiercely competitive. Ice dance is an excellent discipline to feature. In Britain, there was a popular British tv series, Freeze (2022, 5 episodes), which featured U.K. figure skaters, among them Billy Wilson French and his former training partner from the U.S., Kat DelCamp.

I would enjoy seeing more done with pairs teams, too. For e.g., the Italian teams and the Austrian, German, and Spanish pairs teams training in Europe. In particular, they could feature Brooke and Gabbie, two North American pairs girls training in Europe with new partners (plus Gabbie is new altogether to pairs). If done right, this type of limited docu series could be exciting.

For example, there have been a number of successful documentary series on ballet dancers targeted to a young audience. There are talented, creative, and thoughtful documentary filmmakers out there who understand how to tell a good story that offers insights as well as entertainment, without resorting to clichés, manufactured drama, and OTT inaccurate character portrayals.
 
I enjoyed the I.A.M. series of short documentaries in the lead-up to the 2022 Olympice as well, and in fact still watch some of them once in a while because they are with Skating Drama, not Personal Drama (even if someimes persons are affected). I liked the one about the Spanish rivalry, but also the one about Gaby and Guillaume getting the gold and the way the others at I.A.M. handled that. I am not sure that Netflix could better that, while I'm also not sure it would pull the youngsters in.

I like the suggestions for pair teams (thank you @BlissfulSynergy) a lot, and I definitely would watch. but I would not be the Target audience as I already love FS, and Pairs in particular. And definitely not a youngster either!

Thank you for the links @CaroLiza_fan for Freeze which I would love to watch, but British i-player regettably doesn't work on the continent.
 
I feel like I've written comments about this potential Netflix show so much in this forum.

I really think it's a good idea, but it really will depend on the narrative of the show and also the access the show can get to the skaters. I feel like focusing on "how figure skating works as a competition and how the competitive figure skating season is like" and how the skaters from various levels and countries respond to that is a good baseline.

Yes, it can be about personal journeys of the competitors, but it should connect with what figure skating competitions mean to them and how do they deal with or respond to the rules and elements, the schedule and travelling (I can see a compelling drama when the GPF - JNats - Rusnats stretch come up in the calendar), the image of figure skating competitors that the public has, the improvements (?) that's been made to the sport. Past skaters and coaches can provide commentary relevant to the situations too, to give more insight.

For example, one storyline follows Ilia, and the other storyline follows Jason. It can showcase how Jason, despite not really having a quad that's so needed for placing high in men's skating, has made a name for himself throughout all the years he has competed, and his insight on how and why he keeps skating and competing, getting himself to the Worlds Team, Olympic Team, despite knowing that he's unlikely to win a gold medal. And then the other side there is Ilia, and his own insight on when did he first found out that he can try to do the difficult quads that people thought was impossible to land and did it, and how he continues to work to maintain them while also discovering what he wants to express on the ice as a skater and whether him trying to improve his presentation has any effects to his jumps, whether he thinks he's risking his chances to win Worlds or Olympics by trying to balance his jumps and his presentation.

I just think it would be nice if more people knew how to follow skating as a sport. Yuri on Ice gave a lot of exposure to the Grand Prix series and GPF and how it worked, that some fans still think it's more important than Worlds. I want this series to give useful information on how people can follow figure skating as a sport and as competitions.
 
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Agree with this concept; this is what I was thinking could be done, without adding unnecessary drama.

I also think personal touches could be added that might be more attractive to a general audience. I am sorry to keep bring up football series, but they are what I know. I ended up liking Kirk Cousins, who comes across as a stiff in games and interviews to me, after being humanized with his family in Quarterback. In the documentary Kelce, Jason's wife is sarcastic and funny and keeps her hubby in check, she became a star in her own right, and Jason talks honestly about CTE and if he will recognize his grandchildren and has football been worth it.

I watched the IAM documentary, and although I liked it, I did not find they captured or presented these personal moments nearly as well as the Netflix series I have seen.

But I know I am working with a limited subset for comparison.
 
Agree with this concept; this is what I was thinking could be done, without adding unnecessary drama.

I also think personal touches could be added that might be more attractive to a general audience. I am sorry to keep bring up football series, but they are what I know. I ended up liking Kirk Cousins, who comes across as a stiff in games and interviews to me, after being humanized with his family in Quarterback. In the documentary Kelce, Jason's wife is sarcastic and funny and keeps her hubby in check, she became a star in her own right, and Jason talks honestly about CTE and if he will recognize his grandchildren and has football been worth it.

I think personal touches will depend on how much the skaters (and honestly, their feds) give access to the documentary crew, but it will still need to be relevant to, how the sport and the competitions work. Too much fluff and not enough real connection with competitions and the results is not interesting at all (sorry Break Point).

But something like... what do parents think about their kids travelling around the world since a young age to compete, what do they think about their kids trying to make it to the National team, what are the real challenges in having a kid who does figure skating, and not just the money but also having to use rinks throughout the night (midnight practices are common), etc. It can even ties in the recent wave of sexual assault cases and having the perspective of various parents on that, having to trust these federation people, these ice show organizers, their agents, with their kids. And we can go through the perspective of how parents from each country sees it, whether those parents are former skaters / coaches or not, and see if there's any contrast in that.

But also considering the relative youth of figure skaters, some parents or families may not want to be spotlighted, which is also fair.

I really think this can be good in the hands of someone who understands the stakes in figure skating and cover the skaters realistically. The audience is smart, they know which skater has a realistic chance to win and which skater can consider them lucky just to make it to the free skate / free dance. If the show pushes too many unrealistic narratives, or has no connection whatsoever with the actual competition and results happening, it's an easy dud for the show and any chance for people to convert into a consistent figure skating audience.

In order to do that, I think the scope of the series should be something limited first. For example, one series is focusing only on the GP series up to the GPF. Potential storylines: the top 3 seeds as favorites to make the GPF, the dark horses, and then the host spot picks and hometown skaters who likely just want to do their best. Injuries and the conflict between GP series and national qualification for worlds. Back to back GPs and the travel and exhaustion involved in that. Speculating about the top 3 seeds strategy in picking their GPs. I can see a 10-episode series for this, 4 for the preparations, 6 for each GP, 2 for the GPF itself.

And then you have one series that focuses on the nationals / Worlds team qualification up to Worlds. Exploring the local competitions, the big countries with their depth of field. The smaller countries who has like a 10-time consecutive national champion or even sometimes the local competitions have no impact on the Worlds team selection. The importance of getting more spots (especially if it's for the Olympics). The difference of competing internationally and locally. Top favorites, injury concerns, too close to Christmas / New Year shenanigans (especially JNats and RusNats lol). This one would have each episode focusing on different countries, you can start with 2 episodes for Japan, 2 episodes for the US and Canada, 2 episodes for Russia, 2 episodes for South Korea, and then 1 episode for the countries with major contenders but not much of a local field, and then 3 episodes for Worlds - the preparation that goes for it, the logistics of the actual comp, the aftermath and beginning of the spring/summer of the off season (where you can even talk about how World Champions are viewed in skating and discuss the prestige of the title compared to Olympics and GPF and all).

I remember when I first tried to make sense of figure skating competitive season, like all these competitions and each of their unique implications. Of course I did it because I like this one skater, but I thought it would be great if more people know and understand why competitions are important in a more streamlined way. There's a disconnect between what content the fans of figure skaters are consuming and the actual scheduling and reasoning of the competitions, and the lack of publicity and promotion in a comprehensive way for the whole season doesn't help normal people in understanding how to follow the sport.
 
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Also, a series about "record breakers" in figure skating would be nice too. So it doesn't need to be strictly tied to an ongoing season, has an element of history, but also bringing it back to the present.

Starting with the traditional record breakers which basically just means whose scores set a new world record, and then- the discussion between the difference of eras and judging systems. Also a breakdown on: what does it take to set a new world record in figure skating right now compared to back then. Can also get into discussion over how jumps have the big points (and whether that's something good or not) so the WR holders in singles tend to have the big point-getter jumps or the consistency, and the increasingly ineffectual PCS to the total score, things like that. Discuss why do a program with a 4A scores less than a program with 4Lz and 4F, things like that.

And then you have the element-related "record breakers" meaning who did which jump first from men and women, what were the challenges, the impact, and digging into the history of skating itself. And comparing that to innovation in famous / named spins and steps and other choreo elements and making a discussion whether that should be in the record books as "the first one to do _____" like the way they do it with jumps. Fans really like latching on to "a signature move" skaters do (and I'm not talking just backflips) so that would be one way to highlight that.

And then the "record breakers" for their own country, like those who come from a smaller country, their first Olympian figure skater, their first Olympic medalist, their first World champions, or the pioneers of figure skating in their countries, when did they "break out" and where are they now. Whether their impact to the sport in their country was sustained or fizzled out, or is still in progress.
 
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It's not about a Netflix behind the scene series, but the ISU did publish a nice feature on their website, about films and tv with Figure Skating in it. I thought it would be appropriate to put it in this thread:
 
It's not about a Netflix behind the scene series, but the ISU did publish a nice feature on their website, about films and tv with Figure Skating in it. I thought it would be appropriate to put it in this thread:
There's an error in the link. When the page doesn't come up, remove the final period from the URL and you will see the article.
 
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