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Medusa said:
For all we know, their daughter could turn out to be a chubby, clumsy, short-sighted math geek.
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nevertheless from all the goods in the world from one two pics i ve seen plushy babyboy has inheritted hair, nose and his long limps :biggrin:
 
Medusa said:
Figure skating skill is not inherited like hair colour or anything. There might be stuff like ability for fine motor skills, a feeling for balance - that are partly inherited, but at the same time so many factors can influence even these skills. For all we know, their daughter could turn out to be a chubby, clumsy, short-sighted math geek.
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Well, I didn't assume the ability to skate The Man in the Iron Mask or Snowstorm was hereditary - more like what you suggested, that it is likely that the more general attributes she might inherit, such as athletic ability, balance, and other things, might be of value to her. But it's hard not to notice that the children of great skaters of the past rarely go into competitive skating at that level, either because they can't truly live up to their parents accomplishments and don't wish to try, or because there is no real incentive for it (both Yagudin and Plushenko were very poor and skating was the ticket to upward mobility, wasn't it?), or because their parents don't encourage it because they know how difficult that life is.

When the parents are both athletes, I imagine that the family environment would be one in which involvement in sports (or dance - anything athletic) is expected as a part of everyday life. Maybe she'll be a star in some other sport, or at least more interested in another sport (like Daria Grinkova, who AFAIK no longer skates).

(And now I'm done analyzing the future offspring of two people I've never met)
 
seniorita said:
I just realised skate america is very very in the middle of the night:eek:
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No great loss, other than Yu-Na (whom we've both seen this season live, anyway) and the pairs field, it's a pretty blah event.

Also on the topic of SA, and peripherally on the topic of Plushenko, check out this rather offensive article from Phil Hersh about Evan Lysacek, his preparation for the Olympic season and attempts to fix technical issues following CoC. Evan comes out well and seems to have a good attitude, but Hersh and Frank Carroll apparently think the eeeevil Russian and French technical callers are out to get Evan with bogus calls so that Joubert and Plushenko can beat him. Because Evan Lysacek has the most perfect jump technique, and nobody can ever defeat him in a fairly judged competition. :rolleye:
 
Buttercup said:
No great loss, other than Yu-Na (whom we've both seen this season live, anyway) and the pairs field, it's a pretty blah event.

Also on the topic of SA, and peripherally on the topic of Plushenko, check out this rather offensive article from Phil Hersh about Evan Lysacek, his preparation for the Olympic season and attempts to fix technical issues following CoC. Evan comes out well and seems to have a good attitude, but Hersh and Frank Carroll apparently think the eeeevil Russian and French technical callers are out to get Evan with bogus calls so that Joubert and Plushenko can beat him. Because Evan Lysacek has the most perfect jump technique, and nobody can ever defeat him in a fairly judged competition. :rolleye:
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That statement from Frank Carroll really ticked me off. It's not true that Evan was never called out on the 3flip before. He was several times in competition last year. He actually DOES lip.

Next we are going to hear that Evan doesn't have a problem with the 3axel at all and its unfair when he gets it downgraded. When in actuality Evan clearly has issues with that jump at least in the past, and he was lucky it wasn't downgraded at Worlds.
 
Buttercup said:
No great loss, other than Yu-Na (whom we've both seen this season live, anyway) and the pairs field, it's a pretty blah event.
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Verner and Amodio:love: are skating and I hope he does better than Russia !I ll try to see it but I guess youtube will be honored again:rolleye:
Concerning the article I found it funny, it is friday, none will ruin my mood!

To justify this post, that was funny, backstage before gala in Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6dXt2NnxRo
Who was SO close and didnt have a small scissor de coiffure, damn it!

and more backstage stuff there
 
bekalc said:
That statement from Frank Carroll really ticked me off. It's not true that Evan was never called out on the 3flip before. He was several times in competition last year. He actually DOES lip.

Next we are going to hear that Evan doesn't have a problem with the 3axel at all and its unfair when he gets it downgraded. When in actuality Evan clearly has issues with that jump at least in the past, and he was lucky it wasn't downgraded at Worlds.
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May be they found it hard to fix the technical issue over the summer, so they are doing the next best thing in their mind, i.e. to blame the callers.
 
Buttercup said:
Also on the topic of SA, and peripherally on the topic of Plushenko, check out this rather offensive article from Phil Hersh about Evan Lysacek, his preparation for the Olympic season and attempts to fix technical issues following CoC. Evan comes out well and seems to have a good attitude, but Hersh and Frank Carroll apparently think the eeeevil Russian and French technical callers are out to get Evan with bogus calls so that Joubert and Plushenko can beat him. Because Evan Lysacek has the most perfect jump technique, and nobody can ever defeat him in a fairly judged competition. :rolleye:
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:disapp:

I just hope this isn't the buildup to a "Lysacek wuzrobbed" media circus if Lysacek doesn't land on the podium come February 2010.
 
janetfan said:
... And there will be much more said before Vancouver.........:)
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Hitting below the belt, political propaganda and pressure on the judges :frown2: ... if is at this way, think win medal... :banging:

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... and now something nice :p ... Plushy :love:

Plushenko - training before Gala 1part (2009 Rostelecom Cup):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4FkwMLs744

Plushenko - training before Gala 2part (2009 Rostelecom Cup):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si4n_F9uqSs

Mens Podium (2009 Rostelecom Cup) :rock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R77EHdN18n4

Evgeni Plushenko - Gala Exibition (2009 Rostelecom Cup) - without comments :love:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whcsVAeYZGw

... and from Japanese TV.... :laugh:

Plushenko and Miki Ando - funny fluff (2009 Rostelecom Cup EX):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NiDUnEdZr8

Evgeni Plushenko and Takahiko Kozuka - fluff (2009 Rostelecom Cup):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tL-r06-Mrk
 
janetfan said:
Good point - but are you suggesting it is only OK for certain other skaters and teams to say things like "You don't deserve to win without the quad," or statements like "Lambiel is no threat . He has no 3A and is lazy," or "Lysacek is pre-rotating half a turn on his 3A and not getting penalized for it."
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and except you, whose team said all that in an article?

Thank you plushyta for vids:)

ah the exhibition without comments :love: Cant he change the sp to this music?he seems to enjoy it so much:party2:
 
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evangeline said:
:disapp:

I just hope this isn't the buildup to a "Lysacek wuzrobbed" media circus if Lysacek doesn't land on the podium come February 2010.
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Hmmm, they are building up the foundation now, aren't they? First step, poison the American public. Great strategy! The coach comes out to say things while Lysacek is still playing the Mr. nice guy.

I am beginning to dislike Carroll.
 
that 3A-4T is crazy! :bow: plushenko is non-human, he's a jumping machine! is that just a show-off or he seriously considers to put it in his programs?
 
janetfan said:
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Quote from Mishin

"That's a drawback to the new Code of Points judging system in Mishin's view. "The Russian poet Pushkin has said that it is very hard to measure harmony by means of algebra," he said. "There is one quality of the athletes that is not measured by the new system. That is the charm, the magic that skaters like Toller Cranston, Yagudin and Plushenko possess. And for dance, how do you measure joy in numbers? The goal of dance is to bring joy."

"The positive part is that the skaters are striving to perfect each element and to find ways to make each element more difficult," he continued. "The leading athletes want to do everything cleanly and elegantly and the expressive skaters will be able to collect more points in the program components..
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As I already said - here is the most discussed about something, which is almost impossible to be objective, and that is Artistry! :frown2:
Everyone makes their own subjective assessments, and even are not precisely defined criteria of artistic presentation - and never will be can :yes: ... or, in other words: "Beauty is in the eye of the observer" ;)
 
janetfan said:
Good point - but are you suggesting it is only OK for certain other skaters and teams to say things like "You don't deserve to win without the quad," or statements like "Lambiel is no htreat . He has no 3A and is lazy," or "Lysacek is pre-rotating half a turn on his 3A and not getting penalized for it."

It all feels pretty much the same to me. Why single out Evan or his coach and not consider what others have said and are saying?

And there will be much more said before Vancouver.........:)
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Janetfan, I think the difference, and the reason I linked to that article, is that nobody has suggested that technical callers are screwing their skaters so that the competition will benefit. That's a very serious charge and one that had better be backed up. Carroll offers no evidence for this, and I think it is a setup for future wuzrobbing claims. Why work on Lysacek's tendency to UR when you can claim it's all a conspiracy on behalf of those awful French and Russian skaters, none of whom can possibly ever win on merit? It's offensive. Of course, Lysacek doesn't ever UR, it's the camera angle. He never has edge issues, either, it's just that his edges are not obvious enough for the judges to see.

When someone says "Stephane has trouble with the 3A", that has basis in fact. when someone says "my skater is getting bogus edge and UR calls because the tech caller is looking out for his competition", either offer proof or shut up. I don't recall similar statements from anyone else, and Lysacek is by no means the only skater affected by the current emphasis on correct jump technique. But then, Carroll has long been obsessed with the idea that the judges are after his skaters, and seems to believe that politiks are only done on one side of the Atlantic. Yeah, right :rolleye:.

The Mishin interview was interesting, and I agree with him that there are aspects of skating that are simply not quantifiable. I'm just not sure how to best address that in the judging.
 
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