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A blast from the past! The Chicklets.
2006 Four Continents champ.
Nowadays if you Google Katy Taylor all you get is a high school in Texas.Do you know what's she's been up to lately?
I wonder if she ever got her pink Hummer.
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I wonder if she ever got her pink Hummer.
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This isn't picking on Mao, but is more a question about triple loops in combination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beopuz9T8WE#t=696
Why is the triple loop after this flip fully rotated? It looks like it's lacking 3/4 of the final rotation from when the loop take off was. Or am I judging the number of rotations the wrong way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beopuz9T8WE#t=696
Why is the triple loop after this flip fully rotated? It looks like it's lacking 3/4 of the final rotation from when the loop take off was. Or am I judging the number of rotations the wrong way?
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Wow! What a beautiful program!
I think that's the best anyone can do at trying a combo with a triple loop as the second jump. The mechanics of the combination just make it impossible to launch the second jump without a lot of pre-rotation. I think it has enough rotation -- about 2.25 revolutions in the air -- to count as a fully rotated triple in those days. It's not 3 revolutions but it is as close to three as anyone is capable of doing.
Nowadays the ISU has tightened up the tech calling to the point that no one dares to attempt triple loop combos any more. Efforts like Mao's are certain to be downgraded.
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I'm sure Ziggy is up there pulling his hair out at my attempts to explain how his language works...
From what I've picked up, it is only the "z"'s that are in strange places the middle of words that are silent.
Taking the Rally Raid driver Krzysztof Hołowczyc as an example, his first name is pronounced as if it was just a straightforward "Kristof", while his surname is pronounced "Hollovchic"
But, you would still pronounce the "Z" at the start of Dorota Zagorska's or Agnes Zawadski's surnames.
Personally, I reckon it's a deliberate ruse to confuse us foreigners...
CaroLiza_fan
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Nowadays if you Google Katy Taylor all you get is a high school in Texas.
You know, when I was first reading this, all I could think about was Katie Taylor, the girl that I knew for playing football for Ireland, who then switched to boxing and won an Olympic Gold Medal in 2012.
I didn't realise that there was a skater with the same name (albeit different spelling). So, I just looked her up on YouTube, and watched her 2007 Nationals SP.
WOW!!!! She was good. How did I manage to totally miss out on her?!
(Because she's American, and she didn't do much international skating at Senior level)
Just looked Katy up on Facebook, and there are lots of pictures of her young daughter (at least, there are in the public section anyway!) So, it looks like she is enjoying family life.
All the best to Katy and her family!
CaroLiza_fan
I think I can help with this one xD Dorota Zagórska -> ,,Z" like "z" in "zip"; ,,a" like "u" in "fun", ,,g" like "g" in "gap"; ,,ó" like "u" in "push"; ,,r" like "r" in "roll"; ,,s" like "s" in "sun"; ,,k" like "k" in "kit" and ,,a" - like earlier
It looks complicated...I know 
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In any case, doesn't she go by Siudek these days ?
Yes, you're right
She and Mariusz have a wonderful son who skates!
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I also have trouble seeing if a 3lo is under-rotated or not because there's no much pre rotation before the jump. I don't even know where the take off is.
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This is only half of true
Basically, if you have "rz", "cz", "dzi", "zi", "dz", "sz", z is indeed silent - because it makes another "letter" (phone rather) - respectively /zh/ like in Zhivago, /ch/ like in cheek, something more or less like /dzhi/, something more or less like /zhi/ (muzhik ;P), /dz/ like in adze, /sh/, like in shock.
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Thank you to Poice and LittleLotte29 for your insights into the Polish language.
I had a feeling that it would turn out that it was not as straightforward as I said, but unfortunately I don't know any native Polish speakers that I could ask.
So, I am so glad that some of our Polish members had joined the discussion and given us the definitive answer.
Thank you so much
CaroLiza_fan
I had a feeling that it would turn out that it was not as straightforward as I said, but unfortunately I don't know any native Polish speakers that I could ask.
So, I am so glad that some of our Polish members had joined the discussion and given us the definitive answer.
Thank you so much
CaroLiza_fan
Without looking at the video too carefully (it does seem somewhat under-rotated), consider the following, though figure skating experts should see if I got anything wrong:
1. The judges are only allowed to look at the replays at real-time speed. The judges are allowed to use slow-motion replay to determine wrong edges (i.e. flip/lutz), but not for under-rotations. So they can't freeze-frame it the way some of us internet folks do.
2. The rules explicitly state "In all doubtful cases the Technical Panel should act to the benefit of the skater." In other words, if it looks like it's just at the quarter mark (90 degrees under-rotated) then it's still fine. Realistically it means that the jump has to be significantly (i.e. noticeably) under-rotated to get called, when replaying the video at real-time speed.
This is what a lot of internet freeze-framers fail to take into account. Not only is there the problem of properly interpreting the video (which is the topic for another thread and too long to get into here), but the rules explicitly give somewhat of a leeway from the "official" amounts of under-rotation. It's not enough to just post a video grab of a skater landing at the 100 degree under-rotating mark (when the allowed amount is 90 degrees) and then scream bloody murder about why the judges didn't call it. You have to make the case that a judge looking at the jump in real-time, where the skater is rotating at roughly 5 revolutions per second (or 1800 degrees per second), would be able to notice the difference between the skater's actual landing angle (such as 100 degrees) and the allowed amount (90 degrees). And the technical panel has quite a few elements to go through. They don't have the time to re-watch each jump multiple times.
In practice -- though this is my speculation -- judges are looking not only directly at the landing foot when it hits the ice, but also how the skater controls their body in the post-landing glide for evidence of being unstable from under-rotation, since it's several seconds long and thus easier to watch for. Thus, a skater that has good edge control can conceivably be able to "cover up" more under-rotation than a skater whose edge control isn't as good. Additionally, judges sometimes simply miss some technical calls. They're human after all. I'm a proponent of using video analysis to quantifiably measure jump rotation angle and takeoff edge which would reduce a lot of the ambiguity about these technical calls, but that's for a future thread which will take a long time to compose (the math is worked out but it takes a while to explain).
There are jumps that take off from the edge of the blade (Salchow, Loop) and not from the toepick. Those edge jumps require a certain amount of prerotation and are also taught WITH that pre-rotated take-off. Therefore it is allowed for those jumps to prerotate 1/2 turn and still get credit for it.
In that video Mao took off her loop facing the right side of the screen (1/2 turn pre-rotation) and landed it facing the left side of the screen, getting 2 1/2 revoloutions in the air which counts as a fully rotated triple loop.
One could argue though that her blade was 1/4 short of revoloution when touching the ice (facing into the screen) which is the cut-off for getting an < (underrotation).
At least this is my understanding of the triple loop and what I had been taught If that's not the case, someone more knowledgeable please correct me.
In that video Mao took off her loop facing the right side of the screen (1/2 turn pre-rotation) and landed it facing the left side of the screen, getting 2 1/2 revoloutions in the air which counts as a fully rotated triple loop.
One could argue though that her blade was 1/4 short of revoloution when touching the ice (facing into the screen) which is the cut-off for getting an < (underrotation).
At least this is my understanding of the triple loop and what I had been taught
If that's not the case, someone more knowledgeable please correct me. 
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Yeah sure, fanboys and Mazdas are nice, but Katy wanted a pink Hummerrrrrrrr......
Yeah sure, fanboys and Mazdas are nice, but Katy wanted a pink Hummerrrrrrrr......
Source: http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Houston-skater-Taylor-deciding-if-career-is-over-1762623.php (posted January 24, 2008)
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This is for CaroLiza_fan. Back to skaters' names .. one of my favorite English (Welsh?) words is cwm, because it is the only word I know that doesn't have an a, e, i, o, u, or y in it. (Unless nth is a word.) Or you could spell it Coomes, like ice dancer Penny Coomes. I assume that Penny's first name is the Greek Penelope?
Back to skaters' names .. one of my favorite English (Welsh?) words is cwm, because it is the only word I know that doesn't have an a, e, i, o, u, or y in it. (Unless nth is a word.) Or you could spell it Coomes, like ice dancer Penny Coomes. I assume that Penny's first name is the Greek Penelope?Similar threads
