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Doris, I can only think of Tiffany Stiegler. She was almost a miracle on ice. Did singles, had no jumps, so focused on pairs. Then Johnny had NOOOO jumps. So she switched to dance. I was there when she made the Olympics with Magerovski. FINALLY!!! She was too talented to not have an Olympics.

Not sure I agree with Rudy Galindo. I mean he was World Junior Champion before World Junior Pairs Champion, right? He didn't switch he was just too talented to label him. haha. I always felt that they skated way too 'small' to be contenders. They never would have achieved their successes as pairs. SBS 3flips only get you so far, and they were mirrored which looked wonky. (Not just on tv but live it was distracting...)
 
Let's say there is skating school enrolling 4yo girls. I imagine through 1-2 first years they learn basics: sliding, falling, simpliest elements, endure the drills, stress, physical fatique, early wake ups, whatever else.
Let's assume 100 of such 6 year olds survived, are showing promise and willing to continue.

How many of them (on average) will have triple jumps?
 
Let's say there is skating school enrolling 4yo girls. I imagine through 1-2 first years they learn basics: sliding, falling, simpliest elements, endure the drills, stress, physical fatique, early wake ups, whatever else.
Let's assume 100 of such 6 year olds survived, are showing promise and willing to continue.

How many of them (on average) will have triple jumps?

You'd be lucky just to get 10 of the 100 past the basic 1-8 classes. Of the few who advanced to the FS classes and worked thru that process then if you had one doing triples (not just landing a triple) I'd say you'd be doing pretty great. We have a few girls in my area that can do some triples and some that can do 3-2 combos but overall.....most are no where near the level that we see on the GP.
 
Haydn wrote over 100 symphonies (he invented the form) and almost as many string quartets (he invented the modern form of this genre, too). He wrote a gang of conchertos, including the first music ever written for the keyed or valved trumpet. Indeed, he invented classical music (as opposed to Baroque, like Bach, anssetting aside opera). If the world came to an end and you could save the music of only one composer, surely he would be the one.

Has anyone ever skated to music by Haydn?
 
You'd be lucky just to get 10 of the 100 past the basic 1-8 classes. Of the few who advanced to the FS classes and worked thru that process then if you had one doing triples (not just landing a triple) I'd say you'd be doing pretty great. We have a few girls in my area that can do some triples and some that can do 3-2 combos but overall.....most are no where near the level that we see on the GP.
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I've seen documentary with Julia's first coach Elena Levkovec, where she was asked how many of girls in the rink before them (her and interviewer) have a chance to become an Olympic Champion. When she replied "maybe one of thousand" I thought she hadn't thought it through or just tried to emphasize Julia's success, now I see she meant it!
 
Let's say there is skating school enrolling 4yo girls. I imagine through 1-2 first years they learn basics: sliding, falling, simpliest elements, endure the drills, stress, physical fatique, early wake ups, whatever else.
Let's assume 100 of such 6 year olds survived, are showing promise and willing to continue.

How many of them (on average) will have triple jumps?

You'd be lucky just to get 10 of the 100 past the basic 1-8 classes.

I think the basic 1-8 classes would be covered by witcher's postulated first 2 years of 4- and 5-year-olds learning basics, starting with more than 100 kids. If this is a hard training school including stress, physical fatigue, early wakeups, etc., for preschoolers, then probably a lot would drop out because they' don't have the desire or focus to work that hard at that age. If it's made fun for them and not expensive, probably a lot will stay until they're 6.

And if there's enough rigor to keep them progressing, probably they'll be doing single jumps after two years of regular training.

The single axel will be the sticking point for many of them. Six years old is pretty young to insist on an axel, if this is the kind of school that kicks skaters out if they can't keep up with the top of the class. But the ones who start at 4 and are going to get triples someday will be doing axels and at least some doubles by the time they're 8. Even those who will never rotate more than a double lutz will probably be doing at least some doubles after 4 years of steady training.

The further up you go, the more will not be able to keep up with the fast-track expectations. And if the school only keeps the ones who can keep up, or if there's only more and more expense and few incentives to keep skating if they're not progressing toward the top, many will lose interest and quit to do something else.

If preliminary and prejuvenile competitions, or whatever equivalent this system calls them, are available for both the talented and average skaters, and if the training is fun and affordable, you may still keep a lot of those 100 6-year-olds who made it past the basics in the sport for several years, working on their double jumps, although those with below-average jumping ability (or who can't afford the time and money to train as many hours) may never master any doubles and drop out in frustration.

But once they get to 9 or 10 the really talented ones will be making progress toward the double axel; one or two may even be able to land a double axel or an easy triple, sometimes. But the majority will be falling further and further behind the talented leaders, because average physical talent and great hard work is not going to be enough to get that double axel. So if reaching elite competitive levels is the goal, the kids themselves or whoever is funding the training may decide it's time to stop training once it's clear they're not going to get there. And some of them -- both those who eventually succeed and those who never will -- may get badly hurt in the attempts.

Based on what I see in my club, maybe 5% of skaters who get as far as trying single axels ever getting double axels, and less than 1% getting multiple triples, does seem like a reasonable estimate.
 
All videos of 2014 Japan Open were deleted from Youtube. Is there anyone who still has the videos? I'd like to watch some perfomanves again. Actualy, Sabinfire uploaded Pogo's FS. I'd like to ask, do you have also the other videos?

I have the entire broadcast in raw video files, yes... although I do not plan on uploading it all to YouTube anytime soon. Is there something specific you wanted to see?
 
I have the entire broadcast in raw video files, yes... although I do not plan on uploading it all to YouTube anytime soon. Is there something specific you wanted to see?

I haven't seen Patrick, Tomas and Jeffrey programs. I'd love to see Mirai as well. Tbh, Mirai's skate is the number one priority.

I would like to see everything, but you don't have to upload all the videos if you don't want to.
 
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Do IJS judges use blankets for their legs under the table? Some of these events can last hours. I was recently behind the judges table at a competition and all of the judges had hidden blankets for their legs. Is this common or are these things kept secret.

#offseason???'s
#onTOPIC;)
 
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Yes, but the blanket is not just for their legs... they just keep it out of sight. Often times during a second or third event in the same day, during the initial groups of skaters, they will roll out that blanket behind the judges panel and set their scoring panels into 'auto' mode (computing average scores for that point in the competition + skater reputation). The technical panel can handle the rest.
 
Do IJS judges use blankets for their legs under the table? Some of these events can last hours. I was recently behind the judges table at a competition and all of the judges had hidden blankets for their legs. Is this common or are these things kept secret.

Pretty common.

Sometimes they sit on the blankets.
 
Tiffany Stiegler never competed at the Olympics in ice dance. She placed fourth at U.S. Nationals in dance in 2005 and sixth in 2006. The U.S. Olympic dance team in 2006 was composed of Belbin & Agosto, Gregory & Petukhov, and Silverstein and O'Meara. Maybe Tiffany is being confused here with Jamie Silverstein, who made her comeback in 2006 and was too talented not to compete in dance at the Olympic level. Tiffany was amazing as well, to come as far as she did in a new discipline after so much success as a pair's skater.
 
Tiffany Stiegler never competed at the Olympics in ice dance. She placed fourth at U.S. Nationals in dance in 2005 and sixth in 2006. The U.S. Olympic dance team in 2006 was composed of Belbin & Agosto, Gregory & Petukhov, and Silverstein and O'Meara. Maybe Tiffany is being confused here with Jamie Silverstein, who made her comeback in 2006 and was too talented not to compete in dance at the Olympic level. Tiffany was amazing as well, to come as far as she did in a new discipline after so much success as a pair's skater.

Yes, I remember now, and I knew there was a happy ending for someone. I was so happy for Silverstein to come back and make it to the Olympics.
 
Yes, but the blanket is not just for their legs... they just keep it out of sight. Often times during a second or third event in the same day, during the initial groups of skaters, they will roll out that blanket behind the judges panel and set their scoring panels into 'auto' mode (computing average scores for that point in the competition + skater reputation). The technical panel can handle the rest.

Haha, you serious? Are you sure they don't do autopilot for all groups of skaters too? :biggrin:
 
Haha, you serious? Are you sure they don't do autopilot for all groups of skaters too? :biggrin:

No, because they still have a score in mind they want the top skater to get. For instances you may not want them to jump 12 points in one competition, but need them to be about 12 points higher than their PB by season end. So they have to tweak the scores of the first few skaters to scale about 6 points higher than their PB for each of their Grand Prixs.
 
Here is a stupid question about stupidity:

Why does skate Canada have such a stupid website, video, and data handling strategy?

Why don't they use sportcentric format?

Why do they have this for old results so that results don't come up with a normal google search?

Why so many, many pdf files?
 
No, because they still have a score in mind they want the top skater to get. For instances you may not want them to jump 12 points in one competition, but need them to be about 12 points higher than their PB by season end. So they have to tweak the scores of the first few skaters to scale about 6 points higher than their PB for each of their Grand Prixs.

I'm not sure I understand your explanation. Are you saying that there is a systemic score adjustment going on that is not based on objective assessment of the actual performance, nor accounted for in the rules, that automatically awards a non-top-flight skater 6 points more than his/her previous competition (barring major mishap)? And this is a systematic practice followed by all judges (whilst covered in blankets) that is done for the purpose of awarding a target score to a top skater? :confused:
 
Here is a stupid question about stupidity:

Why does skate Canada have such a stupid website, video, and data handling strategy?

Why don't they use sportcentric format?

Why do they have this for old results so that results don't come up with a normal google search?

Why so many, many pdf files?

We, the Canadians, like the old fashioned way.:)
 
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