Hello everyone! This is a little bit of an old topic but when Worlds ended I thought the Ladies' event scoring was generally fair. However, there were some posters on here that vehemently said it wasn't. With that being said, now that I had a great amount of free time yesterday, I decided to re-score the top 11 Ladies' at Worlds (I would have scored Loena too but I can't find her skates anywhere. ) Please note that I haven't done something like this before and haven't really judged events ever before so while I tried to be as impartial as I thought I could be and give the skaters what I thought was deserving, there are most likely going to be a good amount of discrepancies from other people's thoughts, and combined that with while I do have a decent amount of knowledge of the judging system, by no means am I an expert in it. Also note that one rule I followed was that as a judge, I am not the tech panel. It is not up to me to decide what jumps were underrotated and what levels certain skaters deserved. Also, I am not judging on underrotated jumps unless they are super obvious to me (However, I usually don't have an eye for them.) Lastly, I watched each skater twice. One for tech, and one for PCS. I tried to do it once, but I found that I was too focused on the tech and would just end up giving people high PCS if the programs had a lot of transitions and moves instead of counting each category as separate from the other. With that being said, this is what I found:
My Short Program Results: (Note that the formula will be TES+PCS=TSS)
1. Alina Zagitova 44.02+36.8=80.82
2. Kaori Sakamoto 42.08+37.4=79.48
3. Evgenia Medvedeva 38.1+37=75.1
4. Satoko Miyahara 37.14+36.8=73.94
5. Elizabet Tursynbaeva 40.51+33.4=73.91
6. Mariah Bell 39.34+33.4=72.74
7. Eunsoo Lim 39.89+32.4=72.29
8. Bradie Tennell 37.3+33.8=71.1
9. Rika Kihira 36.14+33.98=70.12
10. Sofia Samodurova 37.52+31.2=68.73
11. Gabrielle Daleman 35.9+32.2=68.1
My Free Skate Results:
1. Rika Kihira: 82.45+71.6-1=153.05
2. Alina Zagitova: 79.61+72.8=152.41
3. Evgenia Medvedeva: 76.44+72.8=149.24
4. Satoko Miyahara: 75.15+74=149.15
5. Kaori Sakomoto: 73.8+74=147.8
6. Bradie Tennell: 78.43+69.2=147.63
7. Elizabet Tursynbaeva: 79.01+68=147.01
8. Mariah Bell: 71.23+71.2=142.43
9. Sofia Samodurova: 72.41+66.8=139.21
10. Eunsoo Lim: 68.22+66-1=133.22
11. Gabrielle Daleman: 59.18+63.6 = 122.78
Final Results:
1. Alina Zagitova: 80.82+152.41=233.23
2. Kaori Sakamoto: 79.48+147.8=227.28
3. Evgenia Medvedeva: 75.1+149.24=224.34
4. Rika Kihira: 70.12+153.05=223.17
5. Satoko Miyahara: 73.94+149.15=223.09
6. Elizabet Tursynbaeva: 73.91+147.01=220.92
7. Bradie Tennell: 71.1+147.63=218.73
8. Mariah Bell: 72.74+142.43=215.17
9. Sofia Samodurova: 68.73+139.21=207.94
10. Eunsoo Lim: 72.29+133.22=205.51
11. Gabrielle Daleman: 68.1+122.78=190.99
Here Are the Placements I "Agreed" With (Got the Same Placements as the Judges):
Zagitova was the winner under how I judged it. While I think that Alina's PCS was a little too high in the SP and FS and her GOE's were too generous in the FS, I still agreed that she was the rightful winner.
I still agree with Medvedeva being the bronze medalist under this judging system, and while I may have given her a little more than the judges did, I still gave her the same placement.
Kihira's still rightfully in the 4th place. However, she should have won the free skate even with the fall on her 3A with the way I judged it because I thought Alina got some very generous GOE and PCS in the free skate.
Bradie's still in 7th, but I thought her GOE was a little low compared to the judges in the FS. (Again, I am aware that she possibly underrotated jumps. I am not looking for underrotations. I understand that this probably skewed some things.)
Eunsoo's still in 10th. I essentially gave her almost the exact same score as the judges did as well.
Gabby's in 11th. However, if I were able to re-watch Loena's skates she probably would have ended up 12th as I think Loena's PCS should be a little higher than what it is at the current moment.
The Placements I "Disagreed" With (Different Placements than the Judges):
Wow. I REALLY bumped up Sakamoto. I think what made the difference was not just the PCS, but I adored her jumps and gave her huge GOE's on them as well. I guess in my eyes under the judging system, Kaori wuzrobbed. However, I thought that she should have been rightfully off the podium before judging this...so I'm still a little confused as to how she ended up the silver medalist under the way I judged it? Hmmm...this judge under my judging system may need to get his glasses fixed.
Satoko should have been a spot higher, which isn't that significant. What was significant was how glaringly low her PCS is in actuality compared to what I think it should be. I was about on par with the judges on TES, but I boosted her PCS significantly in comparison.
I thought Tursynbaeva was rightfully deserving of a medal, so I'm a little surprised to see me rank her in 6th! I guess I just couldn't agree with her PCS in both programs and her GOE in the SP and thought it should have been a little lower, which made all the difference.
Sofia and Mariah should have swapped places. However, I really boosted Mariah's scores, especially in the free skate. I thought most of the elements she did were very well done, besides the 3Lz jumps, and I thought her PCS was criminally underrated. In no way should her PCS be lower than Tursynbaeva or Tennell (I thought this before I judged it though so that might be my personal bias coming out).
Also, just in general, while I touched on this before...I now understand why judges have a REALLY hard time judging PCS sometimes. I was inclined to give Bradie and Alina really high PCS when only watching once and Satoko lower PCS because I was rushing the PCS department and not paying attention to the PCS but mainly the tech elements. This further (at least for me) supports my ideas that there should be two judging teams: one for TES and one for PCS, as even for me (who when watching without judging values the "performance component" over the tech) I found myself giving bigger PCS to people who had crazy in-your-face transitions and high tech when only watching the skating once and trying to judge both TES and PCS.
TLDR; I thought judging at Worlds was fair, I did some judging of my own and in my eyes under that judging Kaori and Satoko and Mariah were underscored and Tursynbaeva was overscored. Kaori should have been 2nd if I judged it and Tursynbaeva should been 6th. It surprised me as I mostly agreed with the placements of Worlds.
My Short Program Results: (Note that the formula will be TES+PCS=TSS)
1. Alina Zagitova 44.02+36.8=80.82
2. Kaori Sakamoto 42.08+37.4=79.48
3. Evgenia Medvedeva 38.1+37=75.1
4. Satoko Miyahara 37.14+36.8=73.94
5. Elizabet Tursynbaeva 40.51+33.4=73.91
6. Mariah Bell 39.34+33.4=72.74
7. Eunsoo Lim 39.89+32.4=72.29
8. Bradie Tennell 37.3+33.8=71.1
9. Rika Kihira 36.14+33.98=70.12
10. Sofia Samodurova 37.52+31.2=68.73
11. Gabrielle Daleman 35.9+32.2=68.1
My Free Skate Results:
1. Rika Kihira: 82.45+71.6-1=153.05
2. Alina Zagitova: 79.61+72.8=152.41
3. Evgenia Medvedeva: 76.44+72.8=149.24
4. Satoko Miyahara: 75.15+74=149.15
5. Kaori Sakomoto: 73.8+74=147.8
6. Bradie Tennell: 78.43+69.2=147.63
7. Elizabet Tursynbaeva: 79.01+68=147.01
8. Mariah Bell: 71.23+71.2=142.43
9. Sofia Samodurova: 72.41+66.8=139.21
10. Eunsoo Lim: 68.22+66-1=133.22
11. Gabrielle Daleman: 59.18+63.6 = 122.78
Final Results:
1. Alina Zagitova: 80.82+152.41=233.23
2. Kaori Sakamoto: 79.48+147.8=227.28
3. Evgenia Medvedeva: 75.1+149.24=224.34
4. Rika Kihira: 70.12+153.05=223.17
5. Satoko Miyahara: 73.94+149.15=223.09
6. Elizabet Tursynbaeva: 73.91+147.01=220.92
7. Bradie Tennell: 71.1+147.63=218.73
8. Mariah Bell: 72.74+142.43=215.17
9. Sofia Samodurova: 68.73+139.21=207.94
10. Eunsoo Lim: 72.29+133.22=205.51
11. Gabrielle Daleman: 68.1+122.78=190.99
Here Are the Placements I "Agreed" With (Got the Same Placements as the Judges):
Zagitova was the winner under how I judged it. While I think that Alina's PCS was a little too high in the SP and FS and her GOE's were too generous in the FS, I still agreed that she was the rightful winner.
I still agree with Medvedeva being the bronze medalist under this judging system, and while I may have given her a little more than the judges did, I still gave her the same placement.
Kihira's still rightfully in the 4th place. However, she should have won the free skate even with the fall on her 3A with the way I judged it because I thought Alina got some very generous GOE and PCS in the free skate.
Bradie's still in 7th, but I thought her GOE was a little low compared to the judges in the FS. (Again, I am aware that she possibly underrotated jumps. I am not looking for underrotations. I understand that this probably skewed some things.)
Eunsoo's still in 10th. I essentially gave her almost the exact same score as the judges did as well.
Gabby's in 11th. However, if I were able to re-watch Loena's skates she probably would have ended up 12th as I think Loena's PCS should be a little higher than what it is at the current moment.
The Placements I "Disagreed" With (Different Placements than the Judges):
Wow. I REALLY bumped up Sakamoto. I think what made the difference was not just the PCS, but I adored her jumps and gave her huge GOE's on them as well. I guess in my eyes under the judging system, Kaori wuzrobbed. However, I thought that she should have been rightfully off the podium before judging this...so I'm still a little confused as to how she ended up the silver medalist under the way I judged it? Hmmm...this judge under my judging system may need to get his glasses fixed.
Satoko should have been a spot higher, which isn't that significant. What was significant was how glaringly low her PCS is in actuality compared to what I think it should be. I was about on par with the judges on TES, but I boosted her PCS significantly in comparison.
I thought Tursynbaeva was rightfully deserving of a medal, so I'm a little surprised to see me rank her in 6th! I guess I just couldn't agree with her PCS in both programs and her GOE in the SP and thought it should have been a little lower, which made all the difference.
Sofia and Mariah should have swapped places. However, I really boosted Mariah's scores, especially in the free skate. I thought most of the elements she did were very well done, besides the 3Lz jumps, and I thought her PCS was criminally underrated. In no way should her PCS be lower than Tursynbaeva or Tennell (I thought this before I judged it though so that might be my personal bias coming out).
Also, just in general, while I touched on this before...I now understand why judges have a REALLY hard time judging PCS sometimes. I was inclined to give Bradie and Alina really high PCS when only watching once and Satoko lower PCS because I was rushing the PCS department and not paying attention to the PCS but mainly the tech elements. This further (at least for me) supports my ideas that there should be two judging teams: one for TES and one for PCS, as even for me (who when watching without judging values the "performance component" over the tech) I found myself giving bigger PCS to people who had crazy in-your-face transitions and high tech when only watching the skating once and trying to judge both TES and PCS.
TLDR; I thought judging at Worlds was fair, I did some judging of my own and in my eyes under that judging Kaori and Satoko and Mariah were underscored and Tursynbaeva was overscored. Kaori should have been 2nd if I judged it and Tursynbaeva should been 6th. It surprised me as I mostly agreed with the placements of Worlds.