Revised procedures for minimum TES for 2021 Worlds

[Andrea82]

ISU published the revised version of the procedure for obtaining the Minimum Total Elements Scores for the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2021.

(1.1) Scores achieved in 2018/19 season are now valid.

(1.2) Scores obtained in International Junior Competitions held in 2018/19, 2019/20 and 2020/21 are now valid.

Skaters who didn't achieve the minimums even taking in considerations 2018-19 scores and junior scores are allowed to submit taped programs to be evauluated.

The videos will be evaluated by a Panel of Officials appointed by the respective ISU Technical Committee and approved by the ISU Vice-President consisting of:

• A Techinical Controller
• Two Technical Specialists
• One Data Operator
• One Video Operator
• One Result Calculation Computer Operator

At least one member of the corresponding ISU Technical Committee will act as a Technical Controller and/or Technical Specialist.
The members of each individual Technical Panel must be from different ISU Members. The Technical Panel members must have the qualification of “ISU”.

Judges Panel

• 1 Referee (from the corresponding ISU Technical Committee)
• 5 judges with the qualification ISU Judge from different ISU Members.

Members may enter their Skaters/Couples for Video Evaluation as follows:

• Only Skaters/Pairs/Couples missing the Minimum Total Element Score to enter the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2021, who are not covered by paragraphs 1.1 and 1.2, may be entered.
• For Members entitled to 1 entry, only 1 Skater/Pair/Couple (including substitutes) may be entered.
• For Members entitled to 2 or 3 entries, only 2 Skaters/Pairs/Couples (including substitutes) may be entered.
• Entries must be done in ORS.
• PPC information must be entered on the ISU Portal for all participants. If PPC information is not submitted or incomplete the respective entry will NOT be considered.

Deadline to apply is February 16, 2021 at 23:59 Central European Time. Once entered the Members/Skaters will have 72h to submit their videos for evaluation (see details in below para 2.3 with last videos submission on February 19, 2021 at 23:59 Central European Time.

Members shall submit videos only for programs for which the respective Skater/Pair/Couple is missing the required Minimum Total Element Score. I.e., if only the Short Program score is missing, then only a Short Program video may be sent.
Only 1 video per program, per Skater/Pair/Couple may be submitted.
Only SENIOR programs fulfilling the rules and regulations for the 2020/21 season may be submitted.
In case a Skater/Pair/Couple is missing the Minimal Technical Element Score in both programs (SP/RD and FS/FD), both programs must be video recorded within 3 consecutive days.
The ISU Member must send the Notification Form (Appendix A) to the ISU when entering the respective Skater in ORS. The ISU Member has 72h time to submit the video(s) for evaluation.
When submitting the video(s), the respective ISU Member must confirm that the program was performed only once at the time indicated in the Appendix B, and the video(s) submitted represent these performances.

Camera Position

• The camera must be elevated and if possible situated close to where a Technical Panel would be seated on the judge/technical panel side of the rink (approximately at center ice)
• The camera must remain in one place and remain stationary during the recording
• Use a wide angle/wide screen.
• If recording with a mobile phone ONLY the landscape orientation is acceptable
• Use the camera zoom feature keeping the Skater(s) close when (if) they move to the opposite
  end of the rink
• Ensure that music is clear since the judges require music to evaluate GOE
• Ensure that the lighting on the ice-surface is at competition level (LUX 1500) if possible
• Skater(s) submit a day and time when they will record at the beginning of the video by holding
  a phone in front of the camera that shows the date and time they selected. * As an example, the week of February 10 – 16 is chosen and a Skater/Pair/Couple has a practice session from 14:00 to 18:00 each day. They submit on their Application form (Appendix B) that they will perform their Short Program/ Rhythm Dance on February 10 at 15:30 and their Free Program/Free Dance on February 11 at 17:00.

Full Communication: https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/...-evaluation-isu-world-championships-2021/file

 

[Skatesocs]

OK, I'll bring my question here.

Not sure if I am to read paragraph 2 (say, in regards to the newly-formed US Pair Knierem/Frazier) as "Send in tapes if and only if you (the federation) have no other Pairs with tech minimums" or "if you (the Pair) don't have the tech minimums, then please send in a tape". Essentially curious if this procedure only applies if a federation has no other eligible skaters/pairs/couples who already have the minimums they can send.

EDIT: I think it's "if you (the Pair) don't have the tech minimums, then please send in a tape", so no need to reply anymore, thanks!

 

[flanker]

Well, but this gives Elizaveta Zhuk/Martin Bidař a chance.

 

[SkatingIsLife]

Well, but this gives Elizaveta Zhuk/Martin Bidař a chance.

Zhuk / Bidar have the required min TES from Nebelhorn Trophy 2020

 

[flanker]

Zhuk / Bidar have the required min TES from Nebelhorn Trophy 2020

You're right, they had enough to qualify, somehow I remembered ths score wrongly.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I´m really glad skaters who hadn´t had a chance to qualify this year will get a chance trough the video application. I hope they can make it work, and that there won´t be skating federation which are tempted to manipulate the whole one try - rule.

 

[kirauza343]

Honestly the best decision they could’ve made on this. We love to see occasional competency from the ISU lmao

 

[Alegria]

So, I'll ask here:
Is it valid for all juniors or only for those, who were able to move to seniors only this season?

1.2 Junior Skaters moving to Seniors in 2020/21 A required Minimum Total Element Score achieved in an International Junior Competition during the three seasons as per paragraph 1.1 above is valid to enter the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2021.

 

[el henry]

Does this mean that Donovan Carrillo has the minimums for worlds?

(not that I think Worlds will/should happen and not that I know if Donovan has had enough practice to compete a program).

 

[Skatesocs]

What are the TES minimums for 2021 worlds?

Does this mean that Donovan Carrillo has the minimums for worlds?

Well even if he hasn't, he can just submit a tape.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Does this mean that Donovan Carrillo has the minimums for worlds?

(not that I think Worlds will/should happen and not that I know if Donovan has had enough practice to compete a program).

I think he was chasing the minimum last season, so I don’t think so. But yes he can submit a tape

 

[draqq]

So then... the scores from the Grand Prix don't count? Seems strange that skaters can't just hand the ISU a video of their GP performance and have them "re-evaluate" it with a panel of international judges. Well, at any rate, this will allow for more people to participate at Worlds.

 

[el henry]

So then... the scores from the Grand Prix don't count? Seems strange that skaters can't just hand the ISU a video of their GP performance and have them "re-evaluate" it with a panel of international judges. Well, at any rate, this will allow for more people to participate at Worlds.

I admit it seems odd not to use vids of the GP, but here is my guess:

1. the GPs were not GPs, but super duper Nats with a few guest skaters (maybe). So I understand why they are not used.

2. judges do not want to second guess other judges (or maybe they do) not the greatest look if the international judges say what were you thinking, giving that skate a score like that? And the scores for the very same skate vary widely.

given this season, it certainly can’t hurt to present a program one more time

 

[snowflake]

I admit it seems odd not to use vids of the GP, but here is my guess:

1. the GPs were not GPs, but super duper Nats with a few guest skaters (maybe). So I understand why they are not used.

2. judges do not want to second guess other judges (or maybe they do) not the greatest look if the international judges say what were you thinking, giving that skate a score like that? And the scores for the very same skate vary widely.

given this season, it certainly can’t hurt to present a program one more time

I think that would be very interesting...

 

[karne]

So then... the scores from the Grand Prix don't count? Seems strange that skaters can't just hand the ISU a video of their GP performance and have them "re-evaluate" it with a panel of international judges. Well, at any rate, this will allow for more people to participate at Worlds.

Of course not. They didn't meet the requirements and were basically mini-Nationals.

And it makes sense that you can't supply preexisting video.

 

[katymay]

I admit it seems odd not to use vids of the GP, but here is my guess:

1. the GPs were not GPs, but super duper Nats with a few guest skaters (maybe). So I understand why they are not used.

2. judges do not want to second guess other judges (or maybe they do) not the greatest look if the international judges say what were you thinking, giving that skate a score like that? And the scores for the very same skate vary widely.

given this season, it certainly can’t hurt to present a program one more time

Even so, these were programs skated under pressure, in a competition setting, with good video etc.-why not take these programs, and analyse them with new judges? Specifically Kneriem and her new partner in US pairs. Ditto all recent domestic competitions-seems like the ISU is making the situation way more difficult than it needs to be.

 

[Minz]

Even so, these were programs skated under pressure, in a competition setting, with good video etc.-why not take these programs, and analyse them with new judges? Specifically Kneriem and her new partner in US pairs. Ditto all recent domestic competitions-seems like the ISU is making the situation way more difficult than it needs to be.

Having new judges analyze the competitions seems like a lot more trouble than it's worth. It could change the results or something which I think would just cause mayhem. I think the thing with the GP's is that they were pretty much national championships. When almost all the skaters and all of the judges are from the same country, but the competitions still count for international records, it gives an opportunity for countries to push their skaters. That's why nationals' scores don't count for international records. The ISU stated at the beginning of the season that these results would not qualify for records. BUT, I do think that they should allow these results to count for qualifications due to the current situation. At least new competitors can send in a tape.

 

[el henry]

Even so, these were programs skated under pressure, in a competition setting, with good video etc.-why not take these programs, and analyse them with new judges? Specifically Kneriem and her new partner in US pairs. Ditto all recent domestic competitions-seems like the ISU is making the situation way more difficult than it needs to be.

Because if a score differs dramatically with the international judges (particularly dramatically lower than the domestic judges),it could be viewed as a slap in the face to the original judges. "You thought *that* SP was worth 120? Are you kidding us?"

It would lead to hate and discontent.

I do not see it as an undue hardship for those few skaters that this affects to submit a new video. ETA: It gives them more practice and gives them an advantage to see how the program would be scored internationally.

 

[rollerblade]

Because if a score differs dramatically with the international judges (particularly dramatically lower than the domestic judges),it could be viewed as a slap in the face to the original judges. "You thought *that* SP was worth 120? Are you kidding us?"

They aren't scoring the whole program though, they are just determining TES. Take PCS out of the equation, normalize the GOE.... what else?

That said, Donovan Carrillo was 0.20 points short of making the cut for FS TES minimum. I felt so bad for him. All he needed was a couple judges to be slightly kinder in GOE and he would have gotten it.

 

[el henry]

They aren't scoring the whole program though, they are just determining TES. Take PCS out of the equation, normalize the GOE.... what else?

That said, Donovan Carrillo was 0.20 points short of making the cut for FS TES minimum. I felt so bad for him. All he needed was a couple judges to be slightly kinder in GOE and he would have gotten it.

I love Donovan and I was so upset about his scores

Normalizing GOE is easier said than done, but I understand what you are saying. I do think that for the few skaters who have already competed but do not have minimum TES, they still will actually have an advantage by "competing" again by submitting a formal video.