Russian national competitions 2017-2018

[tars]

Agreed, they will have no problems with filling the gaps.
Some girl from 2004 will probably stay in juniors and then strong 2007 is coming to the rescue. :agree:

 

[AlexRus]

Firstly, don’t forget that Russian novice and junior nationals are based on calendar year, not on ISU year. That means that even though there may be a calendar year that is weaker, it wouldn’t reflect the same way during skating year because within each season there are newly eligible skaters born in two different years July-December of one year and Janury-June the following year.
Secondly, if you think of junior eligibility, if skaters start competing as soon as they are junior eligible, they have to be in juniors at least two years before they become junior eligible, which means that they are competing skaters of at least three different calendar years. And that’s if the skaters were moving to seniors as soon as they become senior eligible, which they are not. That means that any one year gap of weaker skaters can’t affect the results of any country.

In the past there was a weak year. It was the season when Kolomiec was becoming junior eligible. She was the strongest skater of her year, and at the end she didn’t even compete that season because she was injured. (And when she returned after about a year she became quite a weak skater). But it was the year after Medvedeva, Proklova, Sotskova and Sakhanovich became junior eligible and they still had to stay in juniors, so it worked alright.

Every time when there is a gap in talent (weaker year), the Russian federation filled it with B skaters like Stavitskaya, Titushkina and Gerasimova. No harm done. And later when there were available spots, it was filled with more B skaters - Yushenko, Kayumova, Pervushkina. And later Mitrofanova and Mikhailova.

Level B skaters will not be needed for JGP next season.
Trusova, Kostornaia, Tarakanova will remain in Juniors for sure, by age.
Gulyakova most probably remains in Juniors.
Scherbakova, Vasilieva, Safonova and all five Panova's girls (Kanysheva, Sinitsina, Kuzmenko, Tsibinova, Kostyuk) who never had JGP Events will pretend to JGP.
At least 12 girls of Level A.

 

[AlexRus]

Agreed, they will have no problems with filling the gaps.
Some girl from 2004 will probably stay in juniors and then strong 2007 is coming to the rescue. :agree:

You forgot Alena Kanysheva - very talented skater born at 2005.
All the situation of born at 2005-2006 we will see after Nationals Younger Age (Zhuk Memorial), they will compete at Elder group.

 

[tars]

You forgot Alena Kanysheva - very talented skater born at 2005.
All the situation of born at 2005-2006 we will see after Nationals Younger Age (Zhuk Memorial), they will compete at Elder group.

Also there is possibility, in few years from now, some 2005/06 'crouching tiger hidden dragon' supertalent like Zagitova suddenly emerges.

 

[AlexRus]

Also there is possibility, in few years from now, some 2005/06 'crouching tiger hidden dragon' supertalent like Zagitova suddenly emerges.

Yes.
About one and half year ago I wrote that Zagitova may be promising, but in future, and I did not understand why is she listed in National Team, her results of previous season did not give such a place to her.
Nobody could imagine that this unstable girl will be pretender to olympic medal of 2018, maybe gold. Except Eteri - so we see that she deserved title "Coach of Year" (2017).
And Eteri did not include Alina in her group firs time as Alina and her parents wanted it, only in "second attempt".

I remember when I've seen Trusova first time - 2 years ago at warm-up girl who landed very nice 3Lz rippon several times. But that season (2015-2016) she was interesting girl but not best, one of many.

 

[hanca]

Any news on the Russian cup final? List of participants?

 

[Shayuki]

At least from Moscow, these seem to be the ones:

Junior ladies:
Valeria Emelyanova
Alena Kanysheva
Anastasia Kostyuk
Ekaterina Kurakova
Vlada Lipovskaya
Viktoria Safonova
Ksenia Sinitsina
Anastasia Tarakanova
Aleksandra Trusova
Ksenia Chistyakova

Senior ladies:
Anastasia Gracheva
Darina Gromova
Anastasia Gulyakova
Aleksandra Egorova
Sofia Istomina
Alena Kostornaia
Valeria Mikhailova
Daria Panenkova
Anna Tarusina
Polina Tsurskaya

 

[atsumiri]

Any news on the Russian cup final? List of participants?

just from moscow https://www.sportvokrug.ru/competitions/3578//participants/

 

[AlexRus]

Russian Cup Final has two goals:
- second chance for skaters who were not so good at Nationals, junior and senior
- extra info for RusFed to create team for Senior Worlds.

So I don't understand why Trusova and Kostornaia are listed. Their status after medals of Nats is already highest possible, they are not eligible to Senior Worlds by age, they need to prepare to Junior Worlds.

 

[Grin]

Russian Cup Final has two goals:
- second chance for skaters who were not so good at Nationals, junior and senior
- extra info for RusFed to create team for Senior Worlds.

So I don't understand why Trusova and Kostornaia are listed. Their status after medals of Nats is already highest possible, they are not eligible to Senior Worlds by age, they need to prepare to Junior Worlds.

Probably Eteri wants them to get used to competing against each other not only at trainings, but also at competitions.
On the other hand, we will see Poina, Nastya T, Alena and Sasha

 

[AlexRus]

Probably Eteri wants them to get used to competing against each other not only at trainings, but also at competitions.
On the other hand, we will see Poina, Nastya T, Alena and Sasha

1. May be.

2. No Scherbakova, who needs this competition, her result at JrNats is not so good, and after JrNats she skated clean at local competitions.

We will see Panova's girls and Kurakova. And Chistyakova who has very good progress this season.

 

[Shayuki]

Russian Cup Final has two goals:
- second chance for skaters who were not so good at Nationals, junior and senior
- extra info for RusFed to create team for Senior Worlds.

So I don't understand why Trusova and Kostornaia are listed. Their status after medals of Nats is already highest possible, they are not eligible to Senior Worlds by age, they need to prepare to Junior Worlds.

I thought that one of the goals of the Russian Cup Final was actually to... compete at the Russian Cup Final. That's what they've also been qualifying for, right?

Or is it really a completely insignificant competition? It does feel like it should be more important than your average random competition, right...?

 

[puremagic]

Russian Cup Final has two goals:
- second chance for skaters who were not so good at Nationals, junior and senior
- extra info for RusFed to create team for Senior Worlds.

So I don't understand why Trusova and Kostornaia are listed. Their status after medals of Nats is already highest possible, they are not eligible to Senior Worlds by age, they need to prepare to Junior Worlds.

1) What the reason for them to participate at two qualification stages for the Final Cup, win them, and then not going there?

2) Do you realize that during competing season girls should compete as much as possible (not overcompeting of course), and you suggest them "prepare for the junior worlds", not competing at any other event after Junior Nationals more than one month? Competing there is a part of preparation as well.

Really, what a nonsense.

 

[puremagic]

1. May be.

2. No Scherbakova, who needs this competition, her result at JrNats is not so good, and after JrNats she skated clean at local competitions.

We will see Panova's girls and Kurakova. And Chistyakova who has very good progress this season.

For what merits Shcherbakova should be there? She already got a free ticket to the Junior Nationals, one more for not participating at two stages due injury will be too generous.

But I really hope to see Kurakova there, who was for unknown reason trown out from the Junior Nationals. Probably because of Goncharenko, but it's not an excuse.

 

[AlexRus]

I thought that one of the goals of the Russian Cup Final was actually to... compete at the Russian Cup Final. That's what they've also been qualifying for, right?

Or is it really a completely insignificant competition? It does feel like it should be more important than your average random competition, right...?

Russian Cup Final is significant primarily because it gives chance to pretend to National Team spots and for juniors to JGP next seasons, for seniors to Challenge Series.

Trusova and Kostornaia have guaranteed places at National Team and are pretenders to JGP next season for sure. So for them it is only "practice with judges".

Btw, skaters do not qualify to Final of Russian Cup by Russian Cup Events. Entries are formed by RusFed of skaters whom RusFed wants to see at this competition.
Russian Cup Events are to qualify to senior and junior Nationals only.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

How is the national team determined? Will Panenkova be on it?

 

[AlexRus]

How is the national team determined? Will Panenkova be on it?

National team consists of several parts:
Senior
Senior reserve
Junior
Junior reserve
Boys, girls.

Formed on results of internationals and:
Nationals
Junior Nationals
Final of Russian Cup
Nationals Elder Age
Nationals Younger Age.

To be in main Senior part - good results of Senior Internationals (GP, championships) and Nationals.
The same for main Junior part, but competitions of Juniors.
Final of Russian Cup and Nationals Elder Age - reserve.
Nationals Younger Age (and junior competitions of national level for too young to be eligible to junior internationals) - boys, girls.
No formal rules, but in fact about this.

Panenkova qualified to JGP Final and was 5th at JrNats, it is enough for sure for Junior Team. But probably she wants to move in Seniors - good result of Russian Cup Final (Senior) will help.

 

[Azikin]

For what merits Shcherbakova should be there?

She should be there because without her the competition will be much less exciting to watch.. :sad46::gaah::sad46:

 

[AlexRus]

2nd Spartakiad of Sport Schools 26-31 Mar 2018.

Boys and girls, 1st Sports Grade (lower than Juniors)
Homepage http://fsrussia.ru/sorevnovaniya/3623-ii-vserossijskaya-zimnyaya-spartakiada-sportivnykh-shkol.html
Entries-Results http://fsrussia.ru/results/1718/sparta1718/index.htm
Final Protocols http://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1718/sparta1718_protocol.pdf

Boys, Top 3 of 28
FPl. Name Points SP FS
1 Daniil Samsonov 234.15 1 1
2 Alexander Golubev 197.35 5 2
3 Timur Bederdinov 190.53 4 3

Girls, Top 3 of 34
FPl. Name Points SP FS
1 Ksenia Chistyakova 201.67 1 1
2 Daria Usacheva 189.46 2 2
3 Maya Khromykh 174.22 4 3

Scores are not directly comparable with Junior scores, programs and PCS factor differ.

Important competitions, winners (and medalists) are treated as pretenders to JGP Events if age eligible.