Season 2022–23 in Quads

[eppen]

Spring went a little differently than I had thought, so had much less time for my fave hobby...

But I think I am now just about ready with the 2022-23 quad statistics. I am eternally grateful for the knowledgeable GS fanbase who have helped me with my quad studies over the years, so this is for all of you (the quad lovers and haters alike) - I hope you enjoy reading them!

Total 1942 attempts in national and international competitions (2021–22: 1964). 771 in international and 1171 in national competitions. This was the first season ever when there were more national than international attempts.

Total 290 attempts by women (2021–22: 223).

Total 190 skaters tried at least one quad last season (2021–22: 175).

Total 61 skaters attempted a quad for the first time (2021–22: 48).
Age range from 9 to 23 years, average age 14,8 years (men 16,3 and women 12,1 years). The youngest Ekaterina Korchazhnikova (RUS) and the oldest Milosz Witkowski (POL).

Total 38 women attempted quads (2021–22: 30).

The most attempts by a male skater: 54 by Ilia Malinin (USA) (2021–22: Yuma Kagiyama (JPN) & Vincent Zhou (USA) 43).

The most attempts by a female skater: 34 by Margarita Bazyluyk (RUS) (2021–22: Alexandra Trusova (RUS) 25).

Breakdown by age group/national/international competition:
Total 125 attempts at novice level competitions (all in Russia, I counted also the Elements section jumps).
Total 397 attempts at junior competitions (352 national – 310 in Russia; 47 international).
Total 1420 attempts at senior competitions (696 national – 441 in Russia; 724 international).

Breakdown of women’s attempts by age group and country:
Novice 104 (all in Russia by 17 skaters).
Junior 126 (115 in Russia by 26 skaters, 11 elsewhere by 2 skaters (JPN, USA).
Senior 60 (46 in Russia by 8 skaters, 14 elsewhere by 4 skaters (JPN, USA).

By jump type:
4T 1068
4S 614
4Lo 71
4F 35
4Lz 146
4A 8

The Grand Prix Final in 2022 was the first competition where all six different quads were attempted successfully.

75 skaters tried 2 or more different quads: 57 attempted 2 types, 16 3 types, Shoma Uno (JPN) went for 4 and Ilia Malinin (USA) for 5.

Quad layouts SP+FS attempted:
0+1 288, 0+2 110, 0+3 42, 0+4 2 (novice, junior, and women mostly; 0+4s by Daniel Grassl (ITA) and Eduard Karartynyan (RUS), 20 of the 0+3s were by Russian women).
1+1 105, 1+2 72, 1+3 23 (senior men)
2+1 18, 2+2 31, 2+3 63, 2+4 14, 2+5 7, 2+6 1 (senior men) (2+5s by Shoma Uno (JPN) and Ilia Malinin (USA), 2+6 by Malinin).

ADD: Forgot the career totals... There were 3 skaters that got to 100 quad attempts at international competition in 2022-23: Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) at GP France, Daniel Grassl (ITA) at GP Espoo and Keegan Messing (CAN) at World Team Trophy. Keegan was the 20th to do that since fall 2005 when Evgeni Plushenko (RUS) got the first one. And Shoma Uno (JPN) hopped over the 250 international quad attempts at Skate Canada.

2021-22 season held on as the all time high, but only barely... Am very curious to what this season will bring - so far in July, 9 attempts, 8 juniors, 1 senior, and two first timers. Also, will Ilia Malinin (USA) be the first ever skater to get all 6 different quads done successfully in competition? (He was training the 4Lo last season.)

Eppen

 

[lariko]

Spring went a little differently than I had thought, so had much less time for my fave hobby...

But I think I am now just about ready with the 2022-23 quad statistics. I am eternally grateful for the knowledgeable GS fanbase who have helped me with my quad studies over the years, so this is for all of you (the quad lovers and haters alike) - I hope you enjoy reading them!

Total 1942 attempts in national and international competitions (2021–22: 1964). 771 in international and 1171 in national competitions. This was the first season ever when there were more national than international attempts.

Total 290 attempts by women (2021–22: 223).

Total 190 skaters tried at least one quad last season (2021–22: 175).

Total 61 skaters attempted a quad for the first time (2021–22: 48).
Age range from 9 to 23 years, average age 14,8 years (men 16,3 and women 12,1 years). The youngest Ekaterina Korchazhnikova (RUS) and the oldest Milosz Witkowski (POL).

Total 38 women attempted quads (2021–22: 30).

The most attempts by a male skater: 54 by Ilia Malinin (USA) (2021–22: Yuma Kagiyama (JPN) & Vincent Zhou (USA) 43).

The most attempts by a female skater: 34 by Margarita Bazyluyk (RUS) (2021–22: Alexandra Trusova (RUS) 25).

Breakdown by age group/national/international competition:
Total 125 attempts at novice level competitions (all in Russia, I counted also the Elements section jumps).
Total 397 attempts at junior competitions (352 national – 310 in Russia; 47 international).
Total 1420 attempts at senior competitions (696 national – 441 in Russia; 724 international).

Breakdown of women’s attempts by age group and country:
Novice 104 (all in Russia by 17 skaters).
Junior 126 (115 in Russia by 26 skaters, 11 elsewhere by 2 skaters (JPN, USA).
Senior 60 (46 in Russia by 8 skaters, 14 elsewhere by 4 skaters (JPN, USA).

By jump type:
4T 1068
4S 614
4Lo 71
4F 35
4Lz 146
4A 8

The Grand Prix Final in 2022 was the first competition where all six different quads were attempted successfully.

75 skaters tried 2 or more different quads: 57 attempted 2 types, 16 3 types, Shoma Uno (JPN) went for 4 and Ilia Malinin (USA) for 5.

Quad layouts SP+FS attempted:
0+1 288, 0+2 110, 0+3 42, 0+4 2 (novice, junior, and women mostly; 0+4s by Daniel Grassl (ITA) and Eduard Karartynyan (RUS), 20 of the 0+3s were by Russian women).
1+1 105, 1+2 72, 1+3 23 (senior men)
2+1 18, 2+2 31, 2+3 63, 2+4 14, 2+5 7, 2+6 1 (senior men) (2+5s by Shoma Uno (JPN) and Ilia Malinin (USA), 2+6 by Malinin).

ADD: Forgot the career totals... There were 3 skaters that got to 100 quad attempts at international competition in 2022-23: Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) at GP France, Daniel Grassl (ITA) at GP Espoo and Keegan Messing (CAN) at World Team Trophy. Keegan was the 20th to do that since fall 2005 when Evgeni Plushenko (RUS) got the first one. And Shoma Uno (JPN) hopped over the 250 international quad attempts at Skate Canada.

2021-22 season held on as the all time high, but only barely... Am very curious to what this season will bring - so far in July, 9 attempts, 8 juniors, 1 senior, and two first timers. Also, will Ilia Malinin (USA) be the first ever skater to get all 6 different quads done successfully in competition? (He was training the 4Lo last season.)

Eppen

Thank you as always for awesome stats on quads!

 

[gmyers]

Thank you for the info!!

 

[4everchan]

ADD: Forgot the career totals... There were 3 skaters that got to 100 quad attempts at international competition in 2022-23: Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) at GP France, Daniel Grassl (ITA) at GP Espoo and Keegan Messing (CAN) at World Team Trophy. Keegan was the 20th to do that since fall 2005 when Evgeni Plushenko (RUS) got the first one. And Shoma Uno (JPN) hopped over the 250 international quad attempts at Skate Canada.

Curious about this. Is there data you can share about all 20 men who have done more than 100 quad attemps at international competition?
Do you have success rates for these as well? If you don't, please don't go through the trouble. I am just curious.

 

[eppen]

Curious about this. Is there data you can share about all 20 men who have done more than 100 quad attemps at international competition?
Do you have success rates for these as well? If you don't, please don't go through the trouble. I am just curious.

I am not yet quite ready to put the data online - check https://fascinatioglaciei.com/ for that occasionally. I'll try to post sth about that publication here when it happens! But if you check the Making of post, you will see what I have done so far. Part of the publication thing is the tech part - what format to use and ho wmuch work it will mean to update it etc.

So , the list of 20 with 100 or more quad attempts is on solid ground IMO. I have taken in everything that has been deemed a quad in score sheets (for the early IJS also jumps that were quad attempts but marked as downgraded triples in the protocols - but only if there has been video evidence for it). Pops have not been included coz it is often difficult to say if they really went for a quad without a video.

There is missing data ofc, but most of the "missing" scores are probably from national competitions. The pre-IJS period for Joubert and Plushenko is quite well documented with videos, so not many jumps missing even with those guys.

And the list (at the bottom of the message) looks like this when the raw data for each jump is put into a summary table. The column Totals shows how many with domestic competitions (and these are mentioned also in a column of their own), what percentage the international attempts is from the total and what types they have attemptes. * marks skaters who are active (or might still compete). This is the situation at the end of 2022-23 season.

Btw, Patrick has 98 international attempts and so does Brendan Kerry...

For the IJS period it is also possible to break down the data based on success of the jump and I have recently dabbled with this. It is somewhat difficult to try and think of ways to get over the changes in the scoring and how to compare different jumps etc. I am leaning towards calculating the percentage of positive GOEs of the total, because a 0,00 or positive GOE is a clear indicator of a very good jump and remain the same for every kind of jump through every different way of scoring jumps during the IJS.

Name	Cou	YoB	Seasons	Int	Totals	%Tot	Types	Nats
Uno, Shoma*	JPN	1997	9	270	315	86	T S Lo F	45
Jin, Boyang*	CHN	1997	11	206	234	88	T S Lo Lz	28
Kvitelashvili, Morisi	GEO	1995	11	199	218	91	T S	19
Hanyu, Yuzuru	JPN	1994	12	197	232	85	T S Lo Lz A	35
Chen, Nathan*	USA	1999	8	189	239	79	T S Lo F Lz	50
Reynolds, Kevin	CAN	1990	14	167	226	74	T S Lo	59
Fernandez, Javier	ESP	1991	10	162	186	87	T S	24
Samohin, Daniel*	ISR	1998	7	135	136	99	T S Lo	1
Joubert, Brian	FRA	1984	13	134	165	81	T S	31
Zhou, Vincent*	USA	2000	7	131	175	75	T S F Lz	44
Brezina, Michal	CZE	1990	12	124	135	92	T S	11
Bychenko, Alexei	ISR	1988	12	123	125	98	T	2
Siao Him Fa, Adam*	FRA	2001	7	121	160	76	T S Lz	39
Plushenko, Evgeni	RUS	1982	13	120	138	87	T Lz	18
Grassl, Daniel*	ITA	2002	6	118	152	78	Lo F Lz	34
Voronov, Sergei	RUS	1987	14	116	159	73	T Lo	43
Kolyada, Mikhail*	RUS	1995	8	113	154	73	T S Lz	41
Menshov, Konstantin	RUS	1983	10	105	136	77	T S	31
Messing, Keegan	CAN	1992	13	101	151	67	T Lz	50
Kovtun, Maxim	RUS	1995	8	100	143	70	T S	43

 

[eppen]

This is the chronological order for the international 100s. Kazuki Tomono will be there soon!

Pos	Name	Cou	Period/Event
1	Plushenko, Evgeni	RUS	Fall 2005
2	Joubert, Brian	FRA	Challenge Cup 2013
3	Reynolds, Kevin	CAN	Worlds 2014
4	Menshov, Konstantin	RUS	Merano Cup 2015
5	Fernandez, Javier	ESP	GP Final 2015
6	Hanyu, Yuzuru	JPN	4CC 2017
7	Jin, Boyang	CHN	Finlandia Trophy 2017
8	Uno, Shoma	JPN	Skate Canada 2017
9	Samohin, Daniel	ISR	Nebelhorn Trophy 2018
10	Voronov, Sergei	RUS	Ondrej Nepela 2018
11	Brezina, Michal	CZE	GP Finland 2018
12	Kovtun, Maxim	RUS	Winter Universiade 2019
13	Bychenko, Alexey	ISR	Worlds 2019
14	Kvitelashvili, Morisi	GEO	Worlds 2019
15	Chen, Nathan	USA	Japan Open 2019
16	Zhou, Vincent	USA	Cranberry Cup 2021
17	Kolyada, Mikhail	RUS	Finlandia Trophy 2021
18	Siao Him Fa, Adam	FRA	GP France 2022
19	Grassl, Daniel	ITA	GP Espoo 2022
20	Messing, Keegan	CAN	World Team Trophy 2023
21	(Kerry, Brendan 98)
22	(Tomono, Kazuki 94)

 

[eppen]

And arranged according to quality. Plushenko and Joubert are not included because they have a bit too many pre-IJS jumps without scores. Full column has the number of jumps that are fully rotated, so no q, < or <<. The GOE+ has the number of jumps with 0,00 or positive score. And the last column has the percentage of the good ones of their international total. The three best quadsters when it comes to quantity and quality are without a doubt Nathan, Yuzu and Javi.

Name	Cou	Int	Full	GOE+	%Int
Chen, Nathan*	USA	189	178	130	69
Hanyu, Yuzuru	JPN	197	175	130	66
Fernandez, Javier	ESP	162	159	104	64
Chan, Patrick	CAN	99	91	61	62
Nguyen, Nam	CAN	80	69	49	61
Menshov, Konstantin	RUS	105	104	62	59
Kovtun, Maxim	RUS	100	94	59	59
Uno, Shoma*	JPN	270	222	153	57
Voronov, Sergei	RUS	116	105	66	57
Bychenko, Alexei	ISR	123	113	66	54
Aliev, Dmitri*	RUS	91	70	48	53
Malinin, Ilia*	USA	79	54	42	53
Cha, Junhwan*	KOR	82	51	43	52
Jin, Boyang*	CHN	206	188	106	51
Messing, Keegan	CAN	101	75	50	50
Kerry, Brendan*	AUS	98	89	48	49
Kvitelashvili, Morisi	GEO	199	176	96	48
Samarin, Alexander*	RUS	94	77	44	47
Siao Him Fa, Adam*	FRA	121	116	56	46

 

[lariko]

I am not yet quite ready to put the data online - check https://fascinatioglaciei.com/ for that occasionally. I'll try to post sth about that publication here when it happens! But if you check the Making of post, you will see what I have done so far. Part of the publication thing is the tech part - what format to use and ho wmuch work it will mean to update it etc.

So , the list of 20 with 100 or more quad attempts is on solid ground IMO. I have taken in everything that has been deemed a quad in score sheets (for the early IJS also jumps that were quad attempts but marked as downgraded triples in the protocols - but only if there has been video evidence for it). Pops have not been included coz it is often difficult to say if they really went for a quad without a video.

There is missing data ofc, but most of the "missing" scores are probably from national competitions. The pre-IJS period for Joubert and Plushenko is quite well documented with videos, so not many jumps missing even with those guys.

And the list (at the bottom of the message) looks like this when the raw data for each jump is put into a summary table. The column Totals shows how many with domestic competitions (and these are mentioned also in a column of their own), what percentage the international attempts is from the total and what types they have attemptes. * marks skaters who are active (or might still compete). This is the situation at the end of 2022-23 season.

Btw, Patrick has 98 international attempts and so does Brendan Kerry...

For the IJS period it is also possible to break down the data based on success of the jump and I have recently dabbled with this. It is somewhat difficult to try and think of ways to get over the changes in the scoring and how to compare different jumps etc. I am leaning towards calculating the percentage of positive GOEs of the total, because a 0,00 or positive GOE is a clear indicator of a very good jump and remain the same for every kind of jump through every different way of scoring jumps during the IJS.

Name	Cou	YoB	Seasons	Int	Totals	%Tot	Types	Nats
Uno, Shoma*	JPN	1997	9	270	315	86	T S Lo F	45
Jin, Boyang*	CHN	1997	11	206	234	88	T S Lo Lz	28
Kvitelashvili, Morisi	GEO	1995	11	199	218	91	T S	19
Hanyu, Yuzuru	JPN	1994	12	197	232	85	T S Lo Lz A	35
Chen, Nathan*	USA	1999	8	189	239	79	T S Lo F Lz	50
Reynolds, Kevin	CAN	1990	14	167	226	74	T S Lo	59
Fernandez, Javier	ESP	1991	10	162	186	87	T S	24
Samohin, Daniel*	ISR	1998	7	135	136	99	T S Lo	1
Joubert, Brian	FRA	1984	13	134	165	81	T S	31
Zhou, Vincent*	USA	2000	7	131	175	75	T S F Lz	44
Brezina, Michal	CZE	1990	12	124	135	92	T S	11
Bychenko, Alexei	ISR	1988	12	123	125	98	T	2
Siao Him Fa, Adam*	FRA	2001	7	121	160	76	T S Lz	39
Plushenko, Evgeni	RUS	1982	13	120	138	87	T Lz	18
Grassl, Daniel*	ITA	2002	6	118	152	78	Lo F Lz	34
Voronov, Sergei	RUS	1987	14	116	159	73	T Lo	43
Kolyada, Mikhail*	RUS	1995	8	113	154	73	T S Lz	41
Menshov, Konstantin	RUS	1983	10	105	136	77	T S	31
Messing, Keegan	CAN	1992	13	101	151	67	T Lz	50
Kovtun, Maxim	RUS	1995	8	100	143	70	T S	43

I wonder how long till Malinin joins the 100 quads club! He is a machine!

 

[4everchan]

I wonder how long till Malinin joins the 100 quads club! He is a machine!

He will get there super fast... a couple more seasons.
My surprise is to see him very low in the percentage of quality. What I saw at ACI : stellar quads... I guess when he was a junior, the GOE wasn't as good for his jumps...

In school, the passing grade is 60%. Anyone above 60% for me is therefore a great quadster. Nobody is at 70% as of now... which is another level.

I am thinking that quadsters who didn't do quads at junior may have higher percentages than those attempting them earlier on... except maybe for Nam or Gogolev whose successes may have been before their respective growth spurt.

Question for @eppen : what do you do with pops?? We can assume that most of these pops were for quads or are you just counting the quads that were labeled as quads ? My point is that some skaters do go up and rotate but fail... and would get their percentage down... while some skaters either have a great quad or a pop... is the popping factored??? It doesn't need to be as it is hard to measure... Some turning into a triple, I wouldn't consider a pop either.. just a safe bet. Just wondering as I know some of these guys did pop a lot.

 

[yesterday]

what do you do with pops??

Not eppen, but:

Pops have not been included coz it is often difficult to say if they really went for a quad without a video.

 

[4everchan]

Not eppen, but:

Thanks. I probably read too fast.

 

[rabidline]

And Shoma Uno (JPN) hopped over the 250 international quad attempts at Skate Canada.

When I read this I thought surely Shoma was joining other skaters who have attempted that many quads but now that I've seen it lined up I didn't really expect him to have done THAT many quad attempts. Over 300 with Nationals added? Hshshshs.

 

[eppen]

Ilia has 84 international quads after last weekend and as he is doing at least 5 / competition... Well, you can easily count how quick he can get over 100...

I was actually very very excited about his popped 4Lo in the free - when (not if, but when) he gets it, he will be the only skater to have gotten all 6 clean! His jumps are at their best much better than what Nathan could ever do at the same age. But Ilia has also lots of misses which is visible in the quality section.

As I wrote earlier, pops are difficult because sometimes they are not even trying a quad, but are happy to do a triple (a double or a single is just about certainly a pop).

You can estimate the number of pops or not-attempted quads by looking at the quad layouts. If a skater does regularly a 2+3 layout, then the 2+2 or 1+3 etc. indicate not attempted quads or pops. I have done some calculations of these and eg by spring 2020 Hanyu had done about 85% of all the quads he could have done based on his regular layouts. Javi's figure is 87% for his entire career. Nathan had also about 87% by the end of 2019. Around the same time, Shoma had attempted about 95% of all the quads he could have, Boyang got also over 90%. That is a statistic I had almost forgotten as you can see from the dates... But actually one that might be interesting to look at again.

Shoma's speed has slowed down a lot - around the mid-2010s, he was doing 50+/season as he competed a lot. He was doing about 10 comps/season when most of his rivals did 5-6... But slowing down has been good for his quality rate because he has climbed a few places in recent years!

E