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Stavinski Kills One, Injures three in Drunk driving accident

Justlooking said:
But if it was your son who killed, you would be feeling sorry.


Why don't you feel sorry for Staviski? Reading some of the comments, I feel like I'm blessed with an incredible gift, not only I am able to be sorry victims, but also for those who made them victims. He is human, he will suffer for the rest of his life, he will always have this accident on the back of his mind - yes, I do feel sorry for him.
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I agree... Its human to feel sympathy for another when tradegy strikes... Was he irresponsible? Absolutely. But my heart still bleeds for him and the victims... So sad...
 
Still, there is a dfference. Maxim Staviiski has his whole life ahead of him to feel sorry. Petar Petrov, 24, doesn't.
 
Mathman said:
Still, there is a dfference. Maxim Staviiski has his whole life ahead of him to feel sorry. Petar Petrov, 24, doesn't.
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Exactly. I wish no one had died in this accident, but it's terrible that an innocent person has to pay for Maxim's bad decisions. And the innocent person's family.
 
Mathman said:
Still, there is a dfference. Maxim Staviiski has his whole life ahead of him to feel sorry. Petar Petrov, 24, doesn't.
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True... but at the risk of being viewed as insensitive or crass - isn't that simply life? (ok. I do feel very uncomfortable typing that... but its true, sad, but true...)
 
It is. One minute you are driving down the road minding your own business, happy as a clam. The next, a drunk driver appears out of nowhere and you're dead, your friend in a coma. Yeah. That's life.
 
Mathman said:
It is. One minute you are driving down the road minding your own business, happy as a clam. The next, a drunk driver appears out of nowhere and you're dead, your friend in a coma. Yeah. That's life.
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I know... and its simply not fair... a tragedy all around... no one wins when people drive drunk... and I will admit that in my wild 'n crazy youth - I've gotten behind that wheel when I shouldn't have... and I thank God everytime I hear about these stories that it was my lesson to learn vs. my lesson to experience... Its hard to sit in judgement of others when you escaped judgement yourself... I've also been on the other side of knowing someone who died because an idiot got behind the wheel... And I'm sure the driver was a good person who'd never mean to hurt, let alone kill someone... but they did and they have to live with that - just like Staviiski.

Sucha sad sad sad thing...
 
I have to conclude that Denkova/Staviiski will retire from competitive ice dance, if they have any sense of responsibility. And I would hope that they take a long hiatus from their pro events as well.
 
I have a question. If we feel sorry for drunk drivers shouldn't we feel sorry
for serial killers, terrorists and a slew of other criminals who maim and kill. Why does a drunk driver get sympathy when he/she kills. I don't get it.
 
Terrorists, serial killers and convicted murderers kill ON PURPOSE. People who drink and then drive do not set out with the intention to kill others. Drunk drivers are responsible for their bad choices, and they may commit homicide as a result of their bad choices, but they are not intentional murderers.
 
kittyjake5 said:
I have a question. If we feel sorry for drunk drivers shouldn't we feel sorry
for serial killers, terrorists and a slew of other criminals who maim and kill. Why does a drunk driver get sympathy when he/she kills. I don't get it.
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For me, its intent... Did I intend to maim and kill and enjoyed it or did I do something really stupid that has caused the death and / or suffering of others?
 
euterpe said:
Terrorists, serial killers and convicted murderers kill ON PURPOSE. People who drink and then drive do not set out with the intention to kill others. Drunk drivers are responsible for their bad choices, and they may commit homicide as a result of their bad choices, but they are not intentional murderers.
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So? Unless they were the victim of a spiking they intentionally drank and then intentionally drove a vehicle. This isn't a regular traffic accident where someone misses a stop sign or a light turning red or hits a patch of ice and skids.

I'm not saying that Staviiski should be taken out and executed, but my sympathies are more with the dead and his loved ones.
 
Causing death while driving drunk should not be acceptable behavior. Drunk drivers may not kill on purpose or set out with the intention to kill others, but at the end of the day the victim is dead and grief is what the family and loved ones are left with.
 
Feel very sorry for the families of the victims, whose lives are ruined forever, and for Albena, who's done nothing wrong and still will have to face the consequences.
 
Often I do feel sorry for criminals in light of their wretched histories, but (am I mistaken about this?) Staviski is not a poor wretch but a golden boy. It sickened me to read that he's a poster boy for not drinking and driving.

Isn't driving drunk illegal precisely because it kills? That means drinking and driving is not just stupid but selfish - it takes other people's lives in one's hands knowing that they (hands) are incapable.

I'm not at all sorry that S. will have to live with remorse. Otherwise it would mean he had no conscience and there would be no justice. The more remorse, the better. How could there be too much remorse for taking a life? I just hope it's real, and doesn't ruin his ability to do good in the world. There is no contradiction between bitter remorse and resolute action or, to be more specific, ice skating.
 
kittyjake5 said:
Causing death while driving drunk should not be acceptable behavior. Drunk drivers may not kill on purpose or set out with the intention to kill others, but at the end of the day the victim is dead and grief is what the family and loved ones are left with.
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There is a reason why "involuntary manslaughter" is treated differently than "murder". Not to say that the former should not be punished, but neither should the two things be considered the same.
 
kittyjake5 said:
Causing death while driving drunk should not be acceptable behavior.
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Who's saying it is?

Sympathy for the perpetrator does not equal approbation or the idea that the perpetrator should escape responsibility.

Meanwhile, let's no condemn him on the basis of just one newspaper report (from a part of the world where newspapers are not always the most ... reliable).

Let's wait for legal proof before we start building bonfires.
 
Drunk driving is NOT ACCEPTABLE, period, even though it is not the same as intentional murder. Premeditated murderers must be put away for a long, long time, preferably for the rest of their lives, because they represent a clear danger to society.

Unfortunately, drunk drivers are almost as much of a danger to society because they are apt to drive drunk again and again (even though they don't cause accidents each time, or get caught). Drunk drivers often have suspended or revoked licenses but drive anyway; in states where their cars are impounded or their registration is revoked, they 'borrow' cars from their family or friends and still drive. Every time we get in a car and drive on the roads, each one of us is facing the danger of being the victim of a drunk driver.
 
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