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Stavinski Kills One, Injures three in Drunk driving accident

In light of this story all I could think was, that Japan had made a brilliant sentence! Perhaps they have saved Oda or others this life.

An analogy - a poor one but I think it might help those who are not seeing the depth of Maxim choice of wrong doing.

You are given a gun [the Hummer] Not just any gun but the a big one.
You BUY nice huge Twice the normal size bullets [the alcohol]
You take and load the big gun with your big bullets. And go to a shopping mall. [the road]
Then randomly shot. [the driving]
Now you did NOT aim so you aren't reasonable because you didn't INTEND to kill any one?
Hog wash!
I feel no different about this crime! Also makes me nauseous that they are giving interviews and having photos taken. Sick! And would anyone else really want them coming to the hospital? I sure wouldn't! How came he hasn't been arrested?
 
Have Albena & Maxim retired from competition; do they plan on attending the 2010 Olympics? 'Cause, it will be hard to enter Canada if Maxim has a criminal record.
 
Joesitz said:
People have dinner after a cocktail and a glass of wine while dining - not unusual. After dinner, they take a cab home.
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Joe, you live in NYC, where that's possible. In a normal suburban life, distances are such that taking a cab is prohibitively expensive. This was always a problem for me in a previous job when people would go out for drinks after work; taking a cab home from there would cost me about $150; taking public transportation would take about 2.5 hours and $15 for cab. (My solution was to order something like a mimosa, ask them to make it 50% juice 50% wine, and walk up to bar to top the glass off with juice as I was working through it). A couple of times when I organized bridal showers for my friends, I just rented a van and hired a guy to drive it for the night; he picked up the van, picked up all the guests, drove us from my home to the club and back, and then drove everyone to their homes. That was actually not too expensive, but obviously it is something I organized as a host, not as a guest.
 
Coach said:
Have Albena & Maxim retired from competition; do they plan on attending the 2010 Olympics? 'Cause, it will be hard to enter Canada if Maxim has a criminal record.
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I can't imagine that they are going to compete again after this. If Max is found guilty, they probably would not be allowed to even if they wanted to.
 
:mad: why has he not been arrested a young man is dead a young woman is in a coma this is an OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
 
Ptichka said:
Joe, you live in NYC, where that's possible. In a normal suburban life, distances are such that taking a cab is prohibitively expensive. This was always a problem for me in a previous job when people would go out for drinks after work; taking a cab home from there would cost me about $150; taking public transportation would take about 2.5 hours and $15 for cab. (My solution was to order something like a mimosa, ask them to make it 50% juice 50% wine, and walk up to bar to top the glass off with juice as I was working through it). A couple of times when I organized bridal showers for my friends, I just rented a van and hired a guy to drive it for the night; he picked up the van, picked up all the guests, drove us from my home to the club and back, and then drove everyone to their homes. That was actually not too expensive, but obviously it is something I organized as a host, not as a guest.
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Good post, Ptichka. Sensible and aware of drinking and driving. But for those who do not, I think arrangements by the Bar personnel should have local people on call to taxi intoxicated customers home for a reasonable price.

Joe
 
Joesitz said:
Good post, Ptichka. Sensible and aware of drinking and driving. But for those who do not, I think arrangements by the Bar personnel should have local people on call to taxi intoxicated customers home for a reasonable price.

Joe
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In London they have a service whereby a person with collapsable scooter will come to where you are, drive you home in your own car and then drive his scooter back for the next punter...it is a pretty expensive service but one that i'm sure someone who finds themselves in need of a ride home and to have their car there for the following day might consider using.

Ant
 
Joesitz said:
Good post, Ptichka. Sensible and aware of drinking and driving. But for those who do not, I think arrangements by the Bar personnel should have local people on call to taxi intoxicated customers home for a reasonable price.

Joe
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A little part of me is saying stay out of this thread...alas, here I am again. What should and what actually does and even can happen under current circumstances are completely different things. Even in NYC with fairly fabulous, by US standards, subway transit, and what seems like and infinity of taxi cabs....even there many, many people can't afford it to avail themselves. As a result there is this sliding scale where money dictates the nature that personal responsiblity takes ...meaning it is just damn harder for some people to be responsible, they have more hurdles and burdens, than other people. So it is easier to cast judgement upon responsiblity when one has the means to be responsible...And that's NY....swing by many parts of, say, Michigan where there is so little public transit it is truly pathetic, and then try to get a taxi...forget the cost, just try to get one, it's laughable, really. Oh, and then there is the cost in a state where unemployment is very high compared to nationally, where underemployment is also high, and don't get me going on the whole car culture thing....(I'm not going to even mention booze here...)
 
Did anyone ever hear of getting one drink and then nursing it for hours? I often did that when I was out with friends. Many times, I don't even think I finished the one drink!
 
my feeling is... if they own a car - even unemployed - and they can afford to gas the car AND drink... then they can afford to wait for a and pay for a cab... or call someone they know to pick them up...

you can make so many excuses, but there are alternatives! some people just don't care to use them!
 
Tonichelle said:
you can make so many excuses, but there are alternatives! some people just don't care to use them!
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Toni, of course there are alternatives. However, often time the only "alternative" is to not drink at all (I am not saying it's horrible, I'm just saying that often enough that's the only alternative to driving after a drink).
 
OK, I am getting sick and tired of everyone blaming Max for the accident. Yes he was drunk but we don't know YET what caused the accident. I am sorry that a man died and a woman is in a coma but that give anyone the right to point the finger at Max until the investigation is over. :mad: He is going through enough. Think about what this doing to him psychologically
 
kittyjake5 said:
Any news on the progress of the injured parties?
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Unfortunately, as of yesterday the girl was still unconscious, and had been transferred to a military hospital where she is in intensive care. Because of the coma she presently is being assisted by artificial means to breathe (if I'm reading the translations correctly) and is definitely not out of the woods yet in terms of making a recovery.

This has truly been a dark tragedy. One small ray of light if she could recover and live a normal life. My prayers go out to her.
 
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My prayers go out to all affected.

However what upsets me is that if it hadn't have been Maxim who was apparent party in the wrong, there would be calls to throw the book at them.... at the end of the day, we have a person who has died, people seriously injured, a written-off hummer and the driver of said hummer over the legal limit.

They are the facts. Regardless of blame.

My personal feeling is that he shouldn't have been driving. He must have known he was that much over the limit... it isn't rocket science. I hate all the excuses like 'Yeah but different people can handle their alcohol differently' - I can drink jagermeister all night and still be the most sober person out... would I ever consider getting into a car and driving? No!! For the same reason that I don't drive after taking my migraine medication, if I'm tired or if my morning sickness is particularly bad. Although I am lucky where I live that public transport is ok, if it was a toss-up between an expensive cab fare or taking a chance, getting caught and fined/banned or even worse endangering someone's life there really is no contest. If I can't afford the cab then I can't afford to drink, simple as. And only then if I'm not drinking, I will drive.

This is something close to my heart, so I make no apologies. My husband was nearly killed by a drunk driver who thought he was ok from a heavy session the night before, and my dad was in an accident with a drunk driver so I have very little sympathy. As a skater, I love Maxim.... but that's where it ends, if these are the decisions he makes before getting into a car.
 
I actually don't even drive. I do have a driver's lisense and was pretty good enough to do well in the driving school. But I just cannot fully trust my driving skills to be well enough to drive safely in any possible circumstances that can happen throughout my life. That has nothing to do with the laws, but my own responsible choice to me and to others. But I do appreciate the fact that I live in a place where the public transportation is good enough to give me this choice.
 
I have never seen people who can put away as much alcohol as Russian skaters, and some of them are already alcoholics at young ages from years of drinking that started as only teens.

Many of them have already been convicted of DUI's. Unfortunately, what will inevitably be Max's convicted DUI did not end as well as the others - they only ran off the road - he hit and killed another human being. What I do find unexplainable is that so many people almost ready to already sentence Max, still are active supporters and fans of the skaters that have done this very thing: knowingly, in some instances after histories of alcohol problems, have gotten into vehicles drunk and taken off down the road.

I guess they'd say, "Well, they were convicted of their DUI and paid their debt to society!" but in reality, most of those debts were a few hundred dollars and a weekend in an alcohol education class. There is some piece of this that is strange to me - this mass anger at Max - yet the crowds still happily cheer for Baiul and all other others convicted of DUI's. There seems a small bit of hypocrisy in it. I guess all of the others were much, much luckier than Max...

In no way am I defending Max's actions. But I would like to reserve full judgement until all of the facts are presented in a trial.
 
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