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4everchan said:
depends ;)

Some OGM are won
1) because the ultimate favourite messed up the SP or didn't have a good performance
2) with a subpar LP including falls.

Yes, in the end, some fans will remember the gold medal around the neck of their favourite skater... but was their skater that wonderful that day ? Is this what defines a GOAT performance ? Falling twice to get a gold medal ?

If you are willing to give Yuna 1.5 gold medal... is Yuzu's Sochi gold only a half gold ?

I am just being the devil's advocate here.... and you know what, I am not really trying to define who is the greatest or not... but just to show that when one makes an arbitrary choice to say that an olympic gold is worth more than 2-3 world titles... well someone else could argue that a gold medal won at the olympics while not giving a good performance or while others killed their chances in the SP isn't really worthy of being associated to the GOAT ;)

Clearly, the GOAT is in the eye of the beholder.
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Agree, GOAT is in the eye of the beholder or more clearly generally it depends on the career stats of your favorite :wink:

depends ;)

Some OGM are won
1) because the ultimate favourite messed up the SP or didn't have a good performance
2) with a subpar LP including falls.
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Part of all sports especially at an elite level is mental, Sasha Cohen had ALL the goods, except her mental game she couldn't get out of her own way.
 
4everchan said:
Not really. It happens that the actual winner did have two awesome skates.

I never said that the medals should be marked with an asterisk. They were won fair and square. I have no problem with that. All I am saying is that if you base a GOAT label based on OGM, then you may encounter great performances and not so great performances... which one is truly worthy of being a GOAT ?
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I said before I do not like the GOAT debate, I accept we all have our favourites and as fans we believe them the GOATs no matter what. But as the OP asked posters to be objective, there is no other way to objectify it than to base it on medals as this is the only thing which is pretty quantifiable and comparable in the end of the day. That's the way it is done in many other sports, and yes, OGM is usually valued most, in fact 4 x more than worlds when worlds are every year and OG every 4 years. Sorry, I know you do not like it.
And, yes, what you ask for is an asterix. Which to me is unacceptable.
You might just as well argue that Shoma won gold only because both Nathan and Yuzu retired, or that Kaori won gold only because Russians who had won so many worlds in a row before were not allowed to compete, so his double worlds gold and her triple worlds gold is somehow worth less than someone else's. But that's nonsense. This way you could question any medal and make everything relative to what and who you like better. Yes, some of them were won with two great performances but was the competition really as tough as in some other years? Or were these performances at the same level of difficulty as some others? See? This is the road leading nowhere as this way you are left with no data at all and just subjective fan judgements,
 
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Magill said:
I said before I do not like the GOAT debate, I accept we all have our favourites and as fans we believe them the GOATs no matter what. But as the OP asked posters to be objective, there is no other way to objectify it than to base it on medals as this is the only thing which is pretty quantifiable and comparable in the end of the day. That's the way it is done in many other sports, and yes, OGM is usually valued most, in fact 4 x more than worlds when worlds are every year and OG every 4 years. Sorry, I know you do not like it.
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LOL... how do you know what I like ?
Magill said:
And, yes, what you ask for is an asterix. Which to me is unacceptable.
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I said there was no asterisk. Do not twist my words.
Magill said:
You might just as well argue that Shoma won gold only because both Nathan and Yuzu retired, or that Kaori won gold only because Russians who had won so many worlds in a row before were not allowed to compete, so his double worlds gold and her triple worlds gold is somehow worth less than someone else's. But that's nonsense.
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You wrote it not me.
Magill said:
This way you could question any medal and make everything relative to what and who you like better. Yes, some of them were won with two great performances but was the competition really as tough as in some other years? Or were these performance at the same level of difficulty as some others? See? This is the road leading nowhere as this way you are left with no data at all and just subjective fan judgements,
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which is what I said. GOAT is in the eye of the beholder.

Thank you for making it worth it for me to indeed open that bottle of wine. I really should have made popcorn ;)
 
"A true champion changes their sport for the better." - or words to this effect (heard in an excellent documentary about tennis champion and Civil Rights activist Arthur Ashe).

If this is the criteria for a true champion, then I can think of some figure skating contenders. What do others on the forum think?
 
You know what's cool on this thread? Whenever Marty McFlip quotes a post that was written in English, the quote has changed to French, although Marty replies in English. (Post #7 for instance). :rock:
 
Mathman said:
You know what's cool on this thread? Whenever Marty McFlip quotes a post that was written in English, the quote has changed to French, although Marty replies in English. (Post #7 for instance). :rock:
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hahahaha, I havn't see that one. I copy the translated text and I havn't see it. My english is not really good (oui oui buaguette 🇫🇷)
 
Marty McFlip said:
People are not obliged to start a war for this :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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So no one can seem to agreed on one GOAT but there are obviously names that continuously arise.

Yuna, Yuzu, Patrick, Michelle, Virtue/Moir.

They all have share one quality they were well rounded and that’s what makes it impossible to decide on just one.
 
moonvine said:
I'll go with Gracie, Keegan Messing, Tai and Randy and Kaitlyn and Jean Luc. And honorable mention to Jimmy Ma.
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No offense, but I can't think of any objective criteria that would qualify any of the mentioned skaters as GOATs.
Of course, for all of us our favourite skaters are the GOATs of our figure skating hearts, but I don't think that's what OP meant.
 
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