TSL interview with Ilia Malinin

[Putina]

I like TSL and what Dave does for the skating community. I have absolutely no issue with his sometimes "edgy" jokes and gossips (which apparently turn out often to be true, judging by the previous posts). And I take no offense with the "Asian egg" joke whatsoever. It's clearly a joke, get over it.

 

[mrrice]

And she hadn't done anything that season except pull two good skates out of her backside at Nationals, whereas Ashley was actually in form and merely had a hiccup at Nationals. And if the technical panel had actually called the URs correctly Ashley would have finished above Mirai anyway.

Ilia would do well not to get tangled up with the human trash pile that is Lease and TSL.

Fortunately, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Mirai got back in the rink and made the team in 2018. I have to wonder if she would have continued if she had made the team in 2014. I think she felt like she had something to prove to herself and the US Fed.

 

[flipsydoodle]

TSL is substantiating Ilia and that is not what he needs. This is a teenager not a 25 year old whose last Olympic chance it is. I was so pleased and impressed by Malinin at Nationals and who knows if it’s his last Olympic vice but I don’t think giving him a flash in the pan Olympics will convince him to be a steward of US Mens skating - rather, the opposite, with achievement unlocked and all.

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How do you know what Malinin needs?

I'm also not sure what you mean by "substantiating". Perhaps you could tease out your thoughts?

 

[el henry]

Fortunately, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Mirai got back in the rink and made the team in 2018. I have to wonder if she would have continued if she had made the team in 2014. I think she felt like she had something to prove to herself and the US Fed.

I don't believe Jason would have continued if he had made the team in 2018. He has said he had something to prove and more to give, leading him to switch coaches and carry on. I can't imagine that Ilia, with at least ten years of skating in front of him if he wants it, won't do the same thing.

Back to the topic at hand, ATM I won't give this website the clicks, even though I have enjoyed their interviews in the past.

So as interested as I am to see Ilia I will rely on others who said that it was a good interview and he is a level headed young man.

 

[Amei]

I don't believe Jason would have continued if he had made the team in 2018. He has said he had something to prove and more to give, leading him to switch coaches and carry on. I can't imagine that Ilia, with at least ten years of skating in front of him if he wants it, won't do the same thing.

Back to the topic at hand, ATM I won't give this website the clicks, even though I have enjoyed their interviews in the past.

So as interested as I am to see Ilia I will rely on others who said that it was a good interview and he is a level headed young man.

It a shame that he never improved technically so that people wouldn't have claims of it being ridiculous to send him to the Olympics when he's not in any way competitive without meltdowns by others.

 

[mrrice]

It a shame that he never improved technically so that people wouldn't have claims of it being ridiculous to send him to the Olympics when he's not in any way competitive without meltdowns by others.

You know, usually I'd say it depends on the panel but, without a quad in his SP, I think he will be too far behind that even a perfect LP will not get him in contention for a medal. I wish I could rely on Vincent to skate well but, after Nationals, it's a toss up as to who they'll select for the team event.

 

[radkat]

It's clearly a joke, get over it.

Great to know you've been made the supreme arbiter of how other people are allowed to react to things. Love that for you.

 

[el henry]

It a shame that he never improved technically so that people wouldn't have claims of it being ridiculous to send him to the Olympics when he's not in any way competitive without meltdowns by others.

Jason Brown is competitive, as has been shown by making the GPF this year. He is the very essence of an elite athlete: not having one element, he mastered all of the others. That's what elite athletes do. And has outscored so many other skaters among the way. Without meltdowns.

He has even improved technically. Of course, technical is not only defined as a revolution in the air (not what the ISU scoring says, as I understand it).

If winning Olympic gold were a battle of the BVs, Nathan Chen would have one. It's not. Jason is a good representative of the USA and has an equal chance that Ilia would have had of winning a medal.

ETA: and since this thread is about Ilia's interview, I look forward to Ilia's skates in years to come. And interviews with all sorts of sources.

 

[moonvine]

He seems like a humble and well-spoken person.

That is good to know.

 

[moonvine]

I have absolutely no issue with his sometimes "edgy" jokes and gossips (which apparently turn out often to be true, judging by the previous posts). And I take no offense with the "Asian egg" joke whatsoever. It's clearly a joke, get over it.

Nope. In my opinion, there is no excuse for making a racist “joke.” Not ok to make “jokes” about people from different races, genders, sexual orientations, etc.

There is so much content out there with content creators that don’t act like that. I can’t keep up with it all.

I don’t plan on “getting over it.” I don’t listen to him and am not going to.

On the other hand I love Ice Tea Pod where they would never act like this.

 

[Mathman]

One thing for sure: we will never know who is right and who is wrong here. If Jason bombs, maybe Ilia would have bombed worse. If Jason skates great, maybe Ilia would have skated even better.

 

[Amei]

Jason Brown is competitive, as has been shown by making the GPF this year. He is the very essence of an elite athlete: not having one element, he mastered all of the others. That's what elite athletes do. And has outscored so many other skaters among the way. Without meltdowns.

He has even improved technically. Of course, technical is not only defined only as a revolution in the air (not what the ISU scoring says, as I understand it).

If winning Olympic gold were a battle of the BVs, Nathan Chen would have one. It's not. Jason is a good representative of the USA and has an equal chance that Ilia would have had of winning a medal.

ETA: and since this thread is about Ilia's interview, I look forward to Ilia's skates in years to come. And interviews with all sorts of sources.

He's competitive as evidenced by his international titles...oh wait, he has no major titles. His best showing at Worlds was a 4th place in 2015 when you guessed it the 2 skaters with quads that finished ahead of him in SP had big issues in the FS. His competitive advantage is only in the sense that doing an easier routine with little risk, he's there to take advantage of errors for skaters with quads, he's been fortunate at GP and challenger events to be against inconsistent skaters that have allowed him to podium, but Worlds - with the exception of that fourth place finish he's never placed in the top 5.

 

[Tahuu]

One thing for sure: we will never know who is right and who is wrong here. If Jason bombs, maybe Ilia would have bombed worse. If Jason skates great, maybe Ilia would have skated even better.

At the Olympic Games, you won't be ranked by what you did during the season and last season. You will be ranked right there on the Olympic ice. Ilia beat Jason soundly at nationals. Chances are Ilia will beat Jason again at their next competition.

 

[el henry]

He's competitive as evidenced by his international titles...oh wait, he has no major titles. His best showing at Worlds was a 4th place in 2015 when you guessed it the 2 skaters with quads that finished ahead of him in SP had big issues in the FS. His competitive advantage is only in the sense that doing an easier routine with little risk, he's there to take advantage of errors for skaters with quads, he's been fortunate at GP and challenger events to be against inconsistent skaters that have allowed him to podium, but Worlds - with the exception of that fourth place finish he's never placed in the top 5.

"Titles" are not the mark of competitiveness, because otherwise we have, wait for it two competitive skaters. Maybe three. Winning titles is not the burn against Jason that some think it is.

Medals are won on the ice on the day the comp is held, all the rest is pie in the sky. Woulda coulda shoulda about opponents doesn't count in sports.

But I really don't want to detract more from Ilia's interview, everyone who wants to rehash Jason's selection is doing it in other threads, please join us there.

 

[bekalc]

Jason Brown is competitive, as has been shown by making the GPF this year. He is the very essence of an elite athlete: not having one element, he mastered all of the others. That's what elite athletes do. And has outscored so many other skaters among the way. Without meltdowns.

He has even improved technically. Of course, technical is not only defined only as a revolution in the air (not what the ISU scoring says, as I understand it).

If winning Olympic gold were a battle of the BVs, Nathan Chen would have one. It's not. Jason is a good representative of the USA and has an equal chance that Ilia would have had of winning a medal.

ETA: and since this thread is about Ilia's interview, I look forward to Ilia's skates in years to come. And interviews with all sorts of sources.

His season best score is 9th best it may now be even lower after Euros.

He is not competitive for a world or Olympic podium even Jason admits this.

 

[bekalc]

"Titles" are not the mark of competitiveness, because otherwise we have, wait for it two competitive skaters. Maybe three.

Winning titles is not the burn that some that would argue against Jason think it is. Medals are won on the ice on the day the comp is held, all the rest is pie in the sky.

But I really don't want to detract more from Ilia's interview, everyone who wants to rehash Jason's selection is doing it in other threads, please join us there.

Yes titles are. So are world medals. The GP events can be skewed a bit and people can get lucky do too Injuries drop outs etc.

Plus it’s early in the season.

The USFSA should be looking for skaters with titles and who can medal at world and Olympics in the individual event.

 

[el henry]

His season best score is 9th best it may now be even lower after Euros.

He is not competitive for a world or Olympic podium even Jason admits this.

And neither is Ilia. No way in Hades would Ilia get that score in an international comp. He would never see an Olympic podium in 2022. I don't say to be mean, he just wouldn't.

So it's a wash.

I know you know about the other thread, so we can continue there.

 

[bekalc]

And neither is Ilia. No way in Hades would Ilia get that score in an international comp. He would never see an Olympic podium in 2022. I don't say to be mean, he just wouldn't.

So it's a wash.

I know you know about the other thread, so we can continue there.

It’s not a wash. Because Ilia would still place higher and had more of an outside chance than Jason.

Furthermore if a nailed a six quad program at the Olympics it would give him more exposure and help him get to the podium at this or next years worlds. It’s just silly not to take him

 

[TontoK]

How we got from an interview with Ilia to a contentious debate that's already raging on at least two other threads is mystifying.

 

[yelyoh]

It’s not a wash. Because Ilia would still place higher and had more of an outside chance than Jason.

Furthermore if a nailed a six quad program at the Olympics it would give him more exposure and help him get to the podium at this or next years worlds. It’s just silly not to take him

But isn't he going to get exposure at this year's Worlds? Assuming he meets the SP standard which I assume he will.