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Lol Liza's programs (with the exception of her sp this year) are another level of having the same program (artistically).
Tuktamysheva's scores
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Not sure if you are aware, but you discuss Zhenya in almost all your posts in a thread supposedly about Liza’s scores (thus, titled “Tuktamysheva’s scores.”). Maybe if you shared your insights about why Liza’s scores are what they are (or why they shouldn’t be) then you better contribute to the discourse.
I just checked
and i have 18 posts in this thread. I mention Medvedeva in only 5 posts. That's not "almost all my posts". And when i mention her is for an example, and i mention other skaters as well. There are only two posts in which there is only her name (for worlds selection last season, and the assumed underscoring she will get at skate Canada). But you can only see Zhenya if you want as she's maybe the only relevant skater.My last post was a snarky response to a snarky post. My bad.
About why Liza's scores are low, i think it's more a internal politics issue than judges suddenly thinking "well, she's not that good, why were she getting higher GOEs last season?". But i learned that politicking doesn't exist.
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i don't think i would compare Zhenya to doing the "same kind of programs" as Liza...when i think back on Liza's programs, they are all a blur. none of them stand out, none are memorable, they all kind of mush together. there's nothing special about any of them and they are always to the same kind of music and have the same choreography. TBH her "style" is very stale. i wouldn't put Zhenya in that same category at all, not even near it.
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i'm not necessarily talking about her specific performances when competing, i mean the construction of her programs as a whole year to year.
Then i don't see why she can't be in the same category than Medvedeva who had the same elements at the same place and almost the same second for 3 seasons.
But anyway, i should stop to talk about Medvedeva as she's the star of almost all my posts apparently.
I get back to the star of this thread. What i meant i my first post about that topic, is that even if Liza has (maybe) the same programs since several seasons, judges don't get tired of seeing the same program for years, as we see other skaters (even no necessary the biggest scorers) do the same programs and get high scores.
So, IMO, that's not why Liza gets low pcs. She has things to work on (SS and better choreo). Even last season when she was getting higher scores her pcs were just slightly higher (the highest she received for FS in GPs is 66). So judges have been telling her since a while that she has things to work on. Besides she has less favors this season since the field became more competitive.
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To clarify, I have no intentions of censoring you or anybody who posts on this thread. I can’t care less that you like or don’t like certain skaters (Zhenya included). I am reading this thread because I’m genuinely interested in people’s thoughts about Liza’s scores. And the constant digression from the topic makes it a little hard to know what people actually thought. That’s all. (And apologies to all those who came here doing the same and had to suffer through my two posts, both of which are not even tangentially related to the topic).
It can't be more clear. Thanks.
PS: I like the skating of most of skaters i talked about.
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I do, however, think that both judges and fans appreciate a skater who tackles a new challenge, moves out of her comfort zone, masters a new technical element, skates to a new type of music, etc.
On the other hand, skaters who have an "artistic signature" -- that's pretty cool, too.
I guess it depends of who skate what.
For some skaters people talk about artistic signature for other skaters it's lack of versality.
Personally, i like new things, when a skater challenge himself. If judges like it too i'm curious to see if they will finally introduce Satoko in the 36-37 pcs zone for the sp this season.
Well, i hope that Mishin will miraculously change his mind about the importance of good choreo and SS. I think he values well done jumps and jump consistency way more. And Samodurova's euros gold + worlds spot + GPF spot probably convinced him more (even if this happened with the help of exceptionally well aligned stars too).
Maybe Liza knows that she have to improve some things but as she said in an interview, it's difficult to make Mishin change his mind.
Maybe Liza knows that she have to improve some things but as she said in an interview, it's difficult to make Mishin change his mind.
Mishin was celebrating his biggest successes in era where choreography was just tacky moves and jump came after jump with almost no transition. Last year FS was lively and Liza really felt it but she still received poor scores for performance
But what is truly outrageous is her GOE. She received less GOE than Anna for lutz and Liza's technique is superior and TBH she is one of two (alongside Rika) senior ladies with proper textbook lutz (deep outside edge, no prerotation, counter rotation upon take off, toe pick, great height and ice coverage). Judge who gave her 0 for 3A-2T was probably thinking that the lower number the better score. Her 3A is one of the best in the whole field and there are maybe 5 or 6 skaters with such effortless jump which also covers huge distance and this year she added bracket as a transition before her 3A. All her jumps except flip are textbook and if landed clear should received at least +3GOE. How figure skating is going to develop is poorly executed, muscled jump is worth more than jump taken from ISU presentation video? I know that reputation always played a huge role but it started getting frustrating as the reputation gaps are becoming bigger and bigger (but still less scandalous than in men's skating)
But what is truly outrageous is her GOE. She received less GOE than Anna for lutz and Liza's technique is superior and TBH she is one of two (alongside Rika) senior ladies with proper textbook lutz (deep outside edge, no prerotation, counter rotation upon take off, toe pick, great height and ice coverage). Judge who gave her 0 for 3A-2T was probably thinking that the lower number the better score. Her 3A is one of the best in the whole field and there are maybe 5 or 6 skaters with such effortless jump which also covers huge distance and this year she added bracket as a transition before her 3A. All her jumps except flip are textbook and if landed clear should received at least +3GOE. How figure skating is going to develop is poorly executed, muscled jump is worth more than jump taken from ISU presentation video? I know that reputation always played a huge role but it started getting frustrating as the reputation gaps are becoming bigger and bigger (but still less scandalous than in men's skating)
Mirai would have beaten Bradie if she had jumped a clean 3A at Nationals.
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And now Medvedeva is dragged into it by TeamMishin for no reason. Liza has not competed against Evgenia this season, and Evgenia's lutz is called very frequently now.
They really really need to stop this petty behaviour, it won't help Liza at all, taking pot shots at her fellow competitors
They really really need to stop this petty behaviour, it won't help Liza at all, taking pot shots at her fellow competitors
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What are they saying?
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Mishina (google translate but I fixed it a little)
"Why, a few days before the start of Skate America, Elizabeth changed the triple flip - triple toe into two triple toes in a free (I think that's a mistake it was the short wasnt it?) program? That same notorious edge on a flip is very difficult to fix. Medvedev both jumped incorrectly Lutz, and does it all the time."
https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/Figurnoe_katanie/w/spbnews_NI1098573_Tatjana_Mishina_Medvedeva_kak_prygala_nepravilno_lutc_tak_i_delajet_eto_postojann
n_jej_chasto_proshhajetsaZhenya wasn't even at Skate America, it seems very unfair to me, picking on other skaters. It is a bit childish even, IMO.
"Yeah well (insert name here) is worse nah nah nah nah"
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